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SimpleDawg said:
All I'm saying is that we deserve the #3 spot. Oregon has the head-to-head over us, but they beat ASU on the last possession, trailed at halftime to unranked Washington State, and allowed Washington - a team we crushed by 50 points - to hang around until the halfway point of the 4th quarter. So I can see why Massey has us over Oregon.
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They beat Washington State by 15 and Washington by 19. You are really reaching here.

Arizona State is a really good team (Massey #15, RPI #14). Not seeing a whole lot of difference between Oregon beating them by 6 at home versus Miss St. beating Marquette (RPI #12) by 5 at home.
 
Lot more movement in the second 10 than I expected with Utah moving up 7 ! And Gonzaga up 3.
 
The big jumble was 14-19
14) Utah +7
15) Gonzaga +3
16) SoCar +3
17) RU -3
18) Syr -5
19) Ky -4
 
Orangutan said:
They beat Washington State by 15 and Washington by 19. You are really reaching here.

Arizona State is a really good team (Massey #15, RPI #14). Not seeing a whole lot of difference between Oregon beating them by 6 at home versus Miss St. beating Marquette (RPI #12) by 5 at home.
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Washington vs. Oregon - Game Summary - January 4, 2019 - ESPN


No, they did not. They beat them by 13 in the earlier game of the year, and was leading by only 1 at halftime. We beat Washington by 50 on a trip to the Pacific Northwest..... that's about 2000 miles from Starkville.

I see your point with Marquette, but I think Marquette is a top 8 team, ASU is a top 16 team. But yes I see your point.

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I'm fine with Notre Dame at 5th or even if they were voted 6th or 7th. If they are deserving of a higher ranking, they still have plenty of time to make their case with future regular season games and the ACC tournament.

Why is Miss St. ranked below the Irish? I think it's SOS. Miss St. could have scheduled a more challenging OOC, but they are not required to do so, and Schaefer chose not to do it. Apparently, in the voters eyes, beating less challenging teams by big margins is less impressive than beating higher ranked teams.
 
SimpleDawg said:
All I'm saying is that we deserve the #3 spot. Oregon has the head-to-head over us, but they beat ASU on the last possession, trailed at halftime to unranked Washington State, and allowed Washington - a team we crushed by 50 points - to hang around until the halfway point of the 4th quarter.
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Good lord. Your evidence is so grossly cherry-picked. I can cherry-pick as well, if I wanted to:
  • MSU (when at full strength) struggled mightily to put away Marquette on its home floor, while Notre Dame crushed them in Milwaukee.
  • MSU struggled more to beat Marquette on its home floor than Oregon did to beat MSU in Eugene.
  • MSU has played the weakest schedule among teams vying for top rankings.
  • MSU struggled for 3 and a half quarters with South Carolina, a team Baylor and Maryland had blown out.
  • MSU struggled to beat Georgia at home, and actually trailed by 3 with 6 minutes to play. This is the same Georgia team that has losses to Villanova and Alabama and a 26-point loss to Missouri.
No one's saying MSU isn't a great and dangerous team this year. Clearly they are.
 
Both Antonelli and LaChina Robinson voted Louisville #1.
 
SimpleDawg said:
Washington vs. Oregon - Game Summary - January 4, 2019 - ESPN


No, they did not. They beat them by 13 in the earlier game of the year, and was leading by only 1 at halftime. We beat Washington by 50 on a trip to the Pacific Northwest..... that's about 2000 miles from Starkville.

I see your point with Marquette, but I think Marquette is a top 8 team, ASU is a top 16 team. But yes I see your point.

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Isn't this a 19 point margin? I would think that is the more relevant result given that it happened yesterday.

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Speaking of relevancy, halftime scores are about as irrelevant as it gets. They beat a bad team by 13. Miss St. beat a bad team by 50. Who cares? I'm supposed to be impressed Miss St. ran up the score against RPI #123? Really?
 
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AP Women's Basketball Poll Week 13

Baylor #1, followed by UConn, Louisville, Oregon, then Notre Dame at #5 (just 2 points behind Oregon). Surprised ND fell so far.

Stanford falls to #8, NC State up to #7.

Utah up to #14.

BYU enters at #25.
 
Orangutan said:
Miss. State's best win is against Marquette by 5 at home. ND beat Marquette by 24 on the road.

Miss. State has just one road win against a team with an RPI better than UNC's. That was against RPI #20 Texas and Texas didn't have Joyner Holmes.

I'm fine with ND dropping as far as six but let's not act like Miss. State has a laundry list of great wins or like ND has accomplished nothing.
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That is why I am really looking forward to the big dance this year. We will have a most competitive tournament in a long time, I do not expect to see all number 1 seeds in the final four this year and I hope MSST gets there again!
 
It’s interesting the very people who consistently thump the Massey bible are willing to put that book down when it says something they don’t want to believe. :p
 
Ralph said:
ND loss must be discounted as Jackie Young was out. They, like us, have 5 players who start and play virtually all game. Take out one and it comes apart. But still shocking, 4 healthy players and a sub should have been able to beat NC. It was not NC State or Louisville.
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Keep on whining...just like last year and how the story was all about their players that had been injured yet they were still the NCs.
 
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Plebe said:
Good lord. Your evidence is so grossly cherry-picked. I can cherry-pick as well, if I wanted to:
  • MSU (when at full strength) struggled mightily to put away Marquette on its home floor, while Notre Dame crushed them in Milwaukee.
  • MSU struggled more to beat Marquette on its home floor than Oregon did to beat MSU in Eugene.
  • MSU has played the weakest schedule among teams vying for top rankings.
  • MSU struggled for 3 and a half quarters with South Carolina, a team Baylor and Maryland had blown out.
  • MSU struggled to beat Georgia at home, and actually trailed by 3 with 6 minutes to play. This is the same Georgia team that has losses to Villanova and Alabama and a 26-point loss to Missouri.
No one's saying MSU isn't a great and dangerous team this year. Clearly they are.
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I agree that 24 win Notre Dame had over Marquette is impressive. I can see why Notre Dame could be ranked over us based on that. Just saying I don't agree with the logic that Jackie Young is an excuse for UNC. Full strength? 4/5 strength?? come on now.

Everything else you mentioned is debateable.

We can debate whether we struggled with Marquette more than Oregon against us. We can also debate whether we struggled vs South Carolina at all. I don't even think the South Carolina fans think we struggled against a highly improved team with Elite 8 potential and has Herbert-Harrigan and Tea Cooper - who would start for any other team in the nation. In short, I never viewed a top 15 win against SC as a struggle at all.

Weakest schedule? Well... we're 4-1 against top 15 teams. That's also debatable if we have the weakest schedule. differs by each user I guess.


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Orangutan said:
Isn't this a 19 point margin? I would think that is the more relevant result given that it happened yesterday.

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Speaking of relevancy, halftime scores are about as irrelevant as it gets. They beat a bad team by 13. Miss St. beat a bad team by 50. Who cares? I'm supposed to be impressed Miss St. ran up the score against RPI #123? Really?
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I think a 50 point win vs a 13 point win is relevant. You don't? Ok, your perspective. Fair enough.

I don't think putting emphasis on RPI ranking differences after the 50s is relevant, but ok... that's my opinion.

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Plebe said:
Good lord. Your evidence is so grossly cherry-picked. I can cherry-pick as well, if I wanted to:
  • MSU (when at full strength) struggled mightily to put away Marquette on its home floor, while Notre Dame crushed them in Milwaukee.
  • MSU struggled more to beat Marquette on its home floor than Oregon did to beat MSU in Eugene.
  • MSU has played the weakest schedule among teams vying for top rankings.
  • MSU struggled for 3 and a half quarters with South Carolina, a team Baylor and Maryland had blown out.
  • MSU struggled to beat Georgia at home, and actually trailed by 3 with 6 minutes to play. This is the same Georgia team that has losses to Villanova and Alabama and a 26-point loss to Missouri.
No one's saying MSU isn't a great and dangerous team this year. Clearly they are.
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Every team in the top 6 to 8 has to cherry pick to say they are significantly better than others in that group, because they all have pretty comparable resumes. Thankfully they will keep playing games. I think UConn and Baylor are pretty interchangeable at 1 & 2 right now with Louisville, Oregon, MSU, & ND all having cases for #3. Stanford, NC State, Marquette and a few others can almost certainly beat any of the Top 6 on the right night. It's a competitive year.
 
SimpleDawg said:
Weakest schedule? Well... we're 4-1 against top 15 teams. That's also debatable if we have the weakest schedule. differs by each user I guess.


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You've repeated this twice now. I see us as 2-1 vs consensus Top 15 teams (Oregon, Marquette and Texas) and 4-1 vs Top 20 (add SC and Kentucky)?
 
SimpleDawg said:
I agree that 24 win Notre Dame had over Marquette is impressive. I can see why Notre Dame could be ranked over us based on that. Just saying I don't agree with the logic that Jackie Young is an excuse for UNC.

Everything else you mentioned is debatable.

We can debate whether we struggled with Marquette more than Oregon against us. We can also debate whether we struggled vs South Carolina at all. I don't even think the South Carolina fans think we struggled against a highly improved team with Elite 8 potential and has Herbert-Harrigan and Tea Cooper - who would start for any other team in the nation. In short, I never saw a top 15 win against SC a struggle at all.

Weakest schedule? Well... we're 4-1 against top 15 teams. That's also debatable if we have the weakest schedule. differs by each user I guess.


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Lol. You think it's debatable that MSU struggled to beat Georgia? Trailing in the 4th quarter for you is synonymous with easily breezing to victory?

The same Massey ratings that you're constantly harping on have MSU's schedule the weakest among the contender teams. So you only want the voters to care about one aspect of the Massey ratings, but not the other?

Not exactly sure how you're calculating 4-1. South Carolina and Kentucky are no longer in the top 15.
 
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IWearShoes said:
Every team in the top 6 to 8 has to cherry pick to say they are significantly better than others in that group, because they all have pretty comparable resumes. Thankfully they will keep playing games. I think UConn and Baylor are pretty interchangeable at 1 & 2 right now with Louisville, Oregon, MSU, & ND all having cases for #3. Stanford, NC State, Marquette and a few others can almost certainly beat any of the Top 6 on the right night. It's a competitive year.
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You're right. No one in that group is clearly much better than the others. So absent any new convincing evidence (and that means wins and losses, not just margin-of-victory arguments loosely based on the transitive property), the polls are not gonna shift much.
 
#15-#18 is pretty much a tie.

15. Gonzaga--269pts
16. SC--265pts
17. RU--256pts
18. Syracuse--253pts
 
Plebe said:
Lol. You think it's debatable that MSU struggled to beat Georgia? Trailing in the 4th quarter for you is synonymous with easily breezing to victory?

The same Massey ratings that you're constantly harping on have MSU's schedule the weakest among the contender teams. So you only want the voters to care that about one aspect of the Massey ratings, but not the other?

Not exactly sure how you're calculating 4-1. South Carolina and Kentucky are no longer in the top 15.
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I didn't see what you said Georgia, but yes.... I was whining at the end of that game. I lost my passion for my team, until we hit a hot streak in the game right after, and it came back after South Carolina. We're on a 4 game streak similar to the streak that UConn is on after losing to Baylor.

Aren't we #15 in the Massey strength-of-schedule rankings? Is there a huge difference between #9 and #15? It's not like we have a SOS of #42.

LOL, South Carolina is only out of the top 15 because of a loss to us. Both Kentucky and South Carolina were #15 when we played them. Again, don't fuss over slight ranking differences. #15, #16, #17 whatever.

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SimpleDawg said:
I didn't see what you said Georgia, but yes.... I was whining at the end of that game. I lost my passion for my team, until we hit a hot streak in the game right after, and it came back after South Carolina. We're on a 4 game streak similar to the streak that UConn is on after losing to Baylor.

Aren't we #15 in the Massey strength-of-schedule rankings? Is there a huge difference between #9 and #15? It's not like we have a SOS of #42.

LOL, South Carolina is only out of the top 15 because of a loss to us. Both Kentucky and South Carolina were #15 when we played them. Again, don't fuss over slight ranking differences. #15, #16, #17 whatever.

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Ha, so not only are you cherry-picking an arbitrary threshold (top 15) but then you're playing fast and loose about the criteria for deeming a team to have met your cherry-picked arbitrary threshold.

Homer passion. Run with it.
 
Plebe said:
Ha, so not only are you cherry-picking an arbitrary threshold (top 15) but then you're playing fast and loose about the criteria for deeming a team to have met your cherry-picked arbitrary threshold.

Homer passion. Run with it.
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I don't understand this.

Ok. I'm letting this go.

Have a good day.

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UConnCat said:
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Given the head to head results, I have a hard time understanding ranking ND over UConn, or UConn over Baylor. It would be interesting to hear the reasoning.
 
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