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businesslawyer said:
Because he's a 7th man talent at UConn. He's not a 7th man talent at Rutgers. Nor would he be at bucknell.

This says it all, actually. Team Jackson needs Vance to be a star. Not going to happen at a good program, so they're choosing star at bad program instead of solid starter at good program. I don't know what in the world KO is supposed to do about that.
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We have 9 players right now.

We swung and missed on the 9th guy at St. John's for gods sake. And with as much playing time to offer as he could ever dream of.

This isnt really directed at you since you arent really ripping on Rutgers per, but I really continue to find it amazing that over the past few weeks so many posters on here continue to crap on other schools and act like we are so high and mighty. We cant even play a 5 on 5 pick up game and here we are ripping on all these other schools while our foundation is literally crumbling as we speak.

We have swung and missed on a number of Rutgers level kids over the past few weeks. Maybe we got on them late. Maybe we weren't really that interested.

There are probably legitimate reasons, but we cant seem to convince anyone to come play for us right now. 7th man at Rutgers level or worse.
 
Hi-Low said:
At the end of the day ALL kids at this level of division 1 think they will be NBA players.....since the age of 12 everyone has told them so.

It's up to the coach to convince the kid he'll get him to the promised land.....they don't care all that much about UConn only what UConn (or Rutgers) can do for them.

If Rutgers (or another school) showcases VJ better than UConn maybe he made the best choice for him, but sitting out a year is a huge gamble when he had a bright future (I think) at UConn.
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My personal opinion is he didn't have a great year here, top 100 kid who would see less minutes with larrier coming back and he really cant defend or rebound at the 4 spot.
 
Even though it is pretty hilariuos....to everyone ripping on Rutgers for that stupid marketing attempt. At least they are trying something. What exactly are our brilliant coaches doing to try to get kids to come here??

Nobody has a clue what our message is. better to have a joke of a message than no message at all.
 
LIuconn said:
Intrigued to see which coach agrees to Vance Sr's wish. Not sure why a coach would agree to shape an offense around a 7th-man type talent, but dumb things have been done before.
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He is not a 7th man type talent. The kid is pretty damn good, and played very well especially for a freshman.
 
Progression of the Boneyard:

1) Vance is a quitter with a whiney dad.
2) Vance just wanted to be closer to home.
3) Vance's friend is looking here so Vance is just transferring because his dad made him... and maybe he won't actually transfer.
4) Vance is going to Rutgers? Clearly it's because he has to be "the man" and he was just 7th+ man here.
5) (If Vance transfers to a bigger school): I hear Vance's dad got paid like a BBB player.

One (or more) of these whims may be true. But considering we also lost Juwan and Enoch, and every great to mediocre recruit we've gone after, the overall optics of our situation keep getting worse. Part of me wants to know all the backstories, but part of me doesn't because I'm not an insider so if I know... everyone knows.
 
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upstater said:
I don't think so. His going to Rutgers reinforces several things about Vance. He wants to be the MAN. His father said as much in his tweet. At UConn he was not going to be featured over Larrier, Gilbert and Adams. I also don't know if he realizes how much they lose, or how many fans attend their games. Weren't there something like 39 Rutgers fans at one game a couple years ago?
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When they win their one Big10 game per year a lot of people show up, other than that it's a lot of crowds that would envy ECU at 9pm on a Wednesday.
 
BUConn10 said:
Is there enough time in a regulation basketball game for Vance to hoist up 20 jumpshots?
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20 shots a game? Vance better be careful. He just may shoot himself out of a European contract.
 
jfuchs91 said:
Vance $enior looking at Rutgers like:
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Makes me laugh every time.
 
I'll put it like this.

Any player who wants to go to Rutger's as a means of showcasing their talent????

Well, says a lot about the individual.

UConn has lots of 'splaining to do about transfers as a whole, but this says volumes about Jackson.
 
would he be the first "lottery pick" to choose RU?

So Vance is looking at RU while Steve is going to Louisville. I'm beginning to think the stars are out of alignment
 
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businesslawyer said:
Because he's a 7th man talent at UConn. He's not a 7th man talent at Rutgers. Nor would he be at bucknell.

This says it all, actually. Team Jackson needs Vance to be a star. Not going to happen at a good program, so they're choosing star at bad program instead of solid starter at good program. I don't know what in the world KO is supposed to do about that.
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Wait - Vance Jackson is the 7th best player here?
 
Fishy said:
Wait - Vance Jackson is the 7th best player here?
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He's behind Jalen, Alterique, and Terry. I'd take Christian Vital ahead of him by a nose, although Vance may have more potential. I think Polley has the potential to be better than Vance, due to superior size and athleticism, but it will take him a few years to catch up. Diarra could be good, we'll see.

So, 5th best.

But in 2018-19 he might be the 7th best player, after our incoming class of Simi Shittu, Iggy Brazdeikis, Isaiah Mucius, and Immanuel Quickley joins Alterique, Christian, Polley, and Diarra.
 
pj said:
He's behind Jalen, Alterique, and Terry. I'd take Christian Vital ahead of him by a nose, although Vance may have more potential. I think Polley has the potential to be better than Vance, due to superior size and athleticism, but it will take him a few years to catch up. Diarra could be good, we'll see.

So, 5th best.

But in 2018-19 he might be the 7th best player, after our incoming class of Simi Shittu, Iggy Brazdeikis, Isaiah Mucius, and Immanuel Quickley joins Alterique, Christian, Polley, and Diarra.
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The kid made the all conference rookie team and led the conference in 3 point shooting. He deserves more credit than that.
 
He's likely third or fourth. Christian's good, but not quite as good.

Jackson somehow made the all-conference rookie team and his freshman year was scads better than what Larrier did at VCU.

He's good - he'll likely be very good before he's done.
 
Huskybass said:
The kid made the all conference rookie team and led the conference in 3 point shooting. He deserves more credit than that.
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So, you put him ahead of Christian at #4?
 
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Fishy said:
He's likely third or fourth. Christian's good, but not quite as good.

Jackson somehow made the all-conference rookie team and his freshman year was scads better than what Larrier did at VCU.

He's good - he'll likely be very good before he's done.
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I agree. He will be an above average college scorer. The question will whether or not he ever plays defense. It's a shame. In this day and age, of you are good, the scouts will notice you. You don't have to shoot 20 shots a game to get the NBA's attention.
 
Fishy said:
He's likely third or fourth. Christian's good, but not quite as good.

Jackson somehow made the all-conference rookie team and his freshman year was scads better than what Larrier did at VCU.

He's good - he'll likely be very good before he's done.
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CV was a lot more impactful than vance last yr
 
Huskybass said:
He is not a 7th man type talent. The kid is pretty damn good, and played very well especially for a freshman.
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On an injury free team last season he would definitely be the 7th player - at best. None of us would have seen VJ play 1/10 of what he did play
He would not have been afforded the minutes he did get to work out any kinks or his typical lousy defense - he would have been buried on the bench with the coaches saying he would have to work harder on defense and learn not to be hesitant on taking the open shot in practice in order to get any PT
VJ was handed the golden egg but he and/or his father thought he deserved platinum
 
gtcam said:
On an injury free team last season he would definitely be the 7th player - at best. None of us would have seen VJ play 1/10 of what he did play
He would not have been afforded the minutes he did get to work out any kinks or his typical lousy defense - he would have been buried on the bench with the coaches saying he would have to work harder on defense and learn not to be hesitant on taking the open shot in practice in order to get any PT
VJ was handed the golden egg but he and/or his father thought he deserved platinum
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Come on. You are letting your anger cloud your judgment. He was one of the better all time three-point shooting freshman at Uconn, and was recognized for such receiving Conference All Rookie team.
 
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"VJ was handed the golden egg but he and/or his father thought he deserved platinum"

Then it follows that they expected he would end up at a platinum program.
As Bill Parcells used to say, "You are what your record says you are...".
Looks like the record is going to say that Rutgers is the best that Vance Jackson could do.
 
I appreciate the family's desire to shoot for the moon with Vance. I'd rather he stayed, but let's be real about his ceiling. He's a slow-footed big 3-point shooter -- a complementary piece, not a multi-dimensional scorer a college coach should bet the farm on, if that's what's happening. Like others have said before, he can't handle 15 shots a game - he'll get stuffed.

I hope Vance finds the better fit he's after - I'm curious to see how the helicopter parent situation plays out.
 
whaler11 said:
This is a great thread.

If Vance stayed he'd be a pillar to build the next FF trip upon.

Since he left he sucks and is mentally soft.
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RU, we're talking about RU

What about RU makes one think Final Four? or basketball greatness? or even a path to the NBA?

The way the haters love VJ now, you would think that with all those basketball skills he'd be looking at better basketball schools

he's a PTPer Baby,

maybe next week he can visit BC, I hear they're something special too
 
You can tell what the tone of the posts are going to be based on the username alone. Sad that so many guys want to trash a kid who's father basically created the transfer situation. Vance is skilled and will have a bright future ahead of him, both in college and as a pro somewhere.
 
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