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Pudge said:
Money

The Southern Public State schools monetary Needs are far different than Ivy. The answer is money. And while UConn budget is challenging ... being a Mississippi with a loss of tens of millions that they plugged into the budget will lead to a different decision tree.
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How much money will they make for one game with no fans and half the team contracts the virus and the season shuts down?
 
cohenzone said:
It amazes me how many people don't understand how a virus spreads and what it takes to contain a spread absent a vaccine. We all want everything to be pre-virus, but its the square peg round hole thing. You can't wish or force a virus to stop spreading and of course it sucks. FWIW, I'm well connected to someone in the athletic ticket office and know they have regular conference calls. It's going to be a while before UConn, and I'm sure colleges and universities across the country, get back to anything resembling the good old days. Professors aren't keen on in person teaching right now. Sports are unlikely to be the tail wagging the dog.
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In Atlanta, Georgia tech's staff appears to be a livid over the State's push to fully re-open college campuses in the fall while not requiring face masks, testing, etc. At a glance, it looks like politics are driving this decision and not science and health professionals (that latter being a tad ironic since the CDC is based not far away from Georgia Tech). No real surprise considering how that the Board of Regents is stacked with people picked by Governor Kemp, who infamously stated a few months ago that he did not know that people with Covid-19 that were asymptomatic could spread the virus.

www.npr.org

'A Nightmare': Georgia Tech Faculty Push Back Against In-Person Reopening Plans

The University System of Georgia is holding in-person classes this fall, with no masks required. It's an anomaly among top public universities — and it will put people at risk, professors say.
www.npr.org www.npr.org
 
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Neither did WHO,...back and forth on the virus...The WHO originally said last month that transmission from someone asymptomatic was rare....then reversed and said not yet determined.
 
pepband99 said:
This is fascinating! Essentially, an all-bus schedule. The mind wanders a bit if we end up having to do this...
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An all bus schedule for us would be interesting, we’d get BC, Rutgers, temple, maybe buffalo and Syracuse? Have to think we’d play a few more FCS schools
 
Pudge said:
Money

The Southern Public State schools monetary Needs are far different than Ivy. The answer is money. And while UConn budget is challenging ... being a Mississippi with a loss of tens of millions that they plugged into the budget will lead to a different decision tree.
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if I’m miss reading the point of your post, I apologize, but UConn is in much worse shape financially - both in terms of athletic budgets and academic monetary issues (i.e endowments etc) than any SEC school.
 
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pepband99 said:
This is fascinating! Essentially, an all-bus schedule. The mind wanders a bit if we end up having to do this...
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Actually if we went that route it would not be awful. BC, Rutgers, Temple, Army, Buffalo, Syracuse, UMass. Maybe find one more like Navy or Pitt. All relatively close. A few longish bus rides but certainly doable. Organize 8 plus us to play 8 game schedule. And all in relatively “safe” states. I don’t advocate playing but if we are this is an approach that makes some sense.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
In Atlanta, Georgia tech's staff appears to be a livid over the State's push to fully re-open college campuses int the fall and not to require face masks, testing, etc. At a glance, it looks like politics are driving this decision and not science and health professionals (that latter being a tad ironic since the CDC is based not far away from Georgia Tech). No real surprise considering how that the Board of Regents is stacked with people picked by Governor Kemp, who infamously stated a few months ago that he did not know that people with Covid-19 that were asymptomatic could spread the virus.

www.npr.org

'A Nightmare': Georgia Tech Faculty Push Back Against In-Person Reopening Plans

The University System of Georgia is holding in-person classes this fall, with no masks required. It's an anomaly among top public universities — and it will put people at risk, professors say.
www.npr.org www.npr.org
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These people are incredibly stupid. Kind of coincidentally, I’ve been watching a series about the 14th century massive bubonic plague that is known as the Black Death. Physicians back then were so well versed on how to handle it that many wore masks, not because they were on top of the problem, but because the masks were built like bird beaks and stuffed with flower petals because they believed sweet aromas kept the disease away. We have actual knowledge these days of how to try and contain an epidemic but we still, in our enlightened USA, have millions of people who react to an epidemic no better than a medieval peasant.
 
Guapo said:
if I’m miss reading the point of your post, I apologize, but UConn is in much worse shape financially - both in terms of athletic budgets and academic monetary issues (i.e endowments etc) than any SEC school.
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Shrug

Mississippi is going to be ($50m) less ... and then Spring. The equivalent UConn loss is probably less than $10m. The University of Mississippi (Tennessee, Auburn, LSU, etc) major revenue driver is football.

Sure UConn is incredibly challenged in the last decade; the immediate hit will be the SEC & other Power 5. The 2020 year is about what the Power will do for today’s money.
 
Pudge said:
Money

The Southern Public State schools monetary Needs are far different than Ivy. The answer is money. And while UConn budget is challenging ... being a Mississippi with a loss of tens of millions that they plugged into the budget will lead to a different decision tree.
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Big revenue schools also have the capacity to recover from any losses much more rapidly.

It's an odd comparison. Ole Miss is in it to for a bunch of reasons. They want to play ball, they want to make money.

The Ivy League just wants to play ball if it makes sense.They already really don't make much money.
 
polycom said:
If any of you are arguing that college players shouldn't get paid after this season when no students are on campus but players are required to come to campus. Know you are an awful human.
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Awful? Nah - I think that is bit too harsh. A lot of college fans just haven't thought the situation through.

While I agree its time to end the prohibition on cash comp (universities should rush to allow marketing deals with no dollar limits), I also think the overwhelming majority of kids would choose to play ball this fall even if campus is closed to direct teaching because they love the sport and have trained all off season waiting for their moment. Kids want to play....very few would sit out even under the current conditions. Now, if things with COVid get worse for young people then I reserve the right to adjust my POV!
 
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Exit 4 said:
Awful? Nah - I think that is bit too harsh. A lot of college fans just haven't thought the situation through.

While I agree its time to end the prohibition on cash comp (universities should rush to allow marketing deals with no dollar limits), I also think the overwhelming majority of kids would choose to play ball this fall even if campus is closed to direct teaching because they love the sport and have trained all off season waiting for their moment. Kids want to play....very few would sit out even under the current conditions. Now, if things with COVid get worse for young people then I reserve the right to adjust my POV!
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The problem isn’t just younger people have relatively fewer problems with Covid. That is true, but it isn’t zero. The problem comes when infected players go to class, go to parties, go to dining halls, deal with equipment managers, shop, do all the stuff they will inevitably do. It just increases the spread. And Exit 4, I do think you are right that they want to play. That is why presidents and ADs Need to act like adults and just say no.
 
freescooter said:
Actually if we went that route it would not be awful. BC, Rutgers, Temple, Army, Buffalo, Syracuse, UMass. Maybe find one more like Navy or Pitt. All relatively close. A few longish bus rides but certainly doable. Organize 8 plus us to play 8 game schedule. And all in relatively “safe” states. I don’t advocate playing but if we are this is an approach that makes some sense.
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Yep. Sprinkle in a Yankee conf reunion tour of UNH / Maine / URI and that's basically your season.

In a sea of awful outcomes for the team and fans, this would end up pretty nice.
 
freescooter said:
The problem isn’t just younger people have relatively fewer problems with Covid. That is true, but it isn’t zero. The problem comes when infected players go to class, go to parties, go to dining halls, deal with equipment managers, shop, do all the stuff they will inevitably do. It just increases the spread.
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Yes of course this a the problem. I view higher risk group contagion as the second problem. The first problem is the matter of general liability and the fact that there is very little out there right now to shield the universities from liability. It will be hard for any school to argue it took a best practices approach when there are no established practices/protocols....or at least practices/protocols that have manageable costs and/or don't hog resources from the general public. The death rate for this illness maybe on par with the flu for people under 30, but can that be argued in any court right now....no -because the data is thin and science is not settled.
 
Pudge said:
Shrug

Mississippi is going to be ($50m) less ... and then Spring. The equivalent UConn loss is probably less than $10m. The University of Mississippi (Tennessee, Auburn, LSU, etc) major revenue driver is football.

Sure UConn is incredibly challenged in the last decade; the immediate hit will be the SEC & other Power 5. The 2020 year is about what the Power will do for today’s money.
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UConn fans are experienced in social distancing. We could teach a seminar.
 
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freescooter said:
Actually if we went that route it would not be awful. BC, Rutgers, Temple, Army, Buffalo, Syracuse, UMass. Maybe find one more like Navy or Pitt. All relatively close. A few longish bus rides but certainly doable. Organize 8 plus us to play 8 game schedule. And all in relatively “safe” states. I don’t advocate playing but if we are this is an approach that makes some sense.
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Not a bad idea until you have to sort the media right. I know you only offered the above lineup as a hypothetical (and it would be great), but you can count 4 or 5 different conference affiliations there. In this case Disney has most of the rights, but that wouldn't be so clear cut in all regions..
 
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cohenzone said:
These people are incredibly stupid. Kind of coincidentally, I’ve been watching a series about the 14th century massive bubonic plague that is known as the Black Death. Physicians back then were so well versed on how to handle it that many wore masks, not because they were on top of the problem, but because the masks were built like bird beaks and stuffed with flower petals because they believed sweet aromas kept the disease away. We have actual knowledge these days of how to try and contain an epidemic but we still, in our enlightened USA, have millions of people who react to an epidemic no better than a medieval peasant.
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The big problem in the US is that health has become polticized while ignoring the fact that everyone's health, including economic health, is all connected.
 
ZooCougar said:
Big revenue schools also have the capacity to recover from any losses much more rapidly.

It's an odd comparison. Ole Miss is in it to for a bunch of reasons. They want to play ball, they want to make money.

The Ivy League just wants to play ball if it makes sense.They already really don't make much money.
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The issue for a large number of schools in the SEC and XII is that football is their primary revenue driver. Football is important for the the B1G and ACC, also; but, it is not the only big money maker at many of those universities. For example, Penn State generated $970 Million in research money in 2019 (PSU website) while football generated $100 Million in revenue. In contract, Oklahoma U stated that generated $98 Million in research activity (2017) while its football program generated $175 Million (2019).
 
Mr. Conehead said:
In Atlanta, Georgia tech's staff appears to be a livid over the State's push to fully re-open college campuses in the fall while not requiring face masks, testing, etc. At a glance, it looks like politics are driving this decision and not science and health professionals (that latter being a tad ironic since the CDC is based not far away from Georgia Tech). No real surprise considering how that the Board of Regents is stacked with people picked by Governor Kemp, who infamously stated a few months ago that he did not know that people with Covid-19 that were asymptomatic could spread the virus.

www.npr.org

'A Nightmare': Georgia Tech Faculty Push Back Against In-Person Reopening Plans

The University System of Georgia is holding in-person classes this fall, with no masks required. It's an anomaly among top public universities — and it will put people at risk, professors say.
www.npr.org www.npr.org
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As a contrast, take a look at what nearby Emory, which is a private university not under the political control of the Regents located in in Atlanta just a few miles from G Tech and right next door to the CDC, has developed - face masks required, campus wide testing environment, social distancing guidelines, certain programs will be virtual, etc.

www.emory.edu

CEPAR | Emory University | Atlanta GA

www.emory.edu
 
Exit 4 said:
Awful? Nah - I think that is bit too harsh. A lot of college fans just haven't thought the situation through.

While I agree its time to end the prohibition on cash comp (universities should rush to allow marketing deals with no dollar limits), I also think the overwhelming majority of kids would choose to play ball this fall even if campus is closed to direct teaching because they love the sport and have trained all off season waiting for their moment. Kids want to play....very few would sit out even under the current conditions. Now, if things with COVid get worse for young people then I reserve the right to adjust my POV!
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The word is awful. Adults allowing students (unpaid employees) put their lives on the line for our entertainment... there’s no way to justify it.
 
polycom said:
The word is awful. Adults allowing students (unpaid employees) put their lives on the line for our entertainment... there’s no way to justify it.
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A lot of kids would completely disagree.

When they flip the switch and kill the season - let’s see how happy the kids are... and then let’s see how happy we are when basketball is the next sport to get furloughed. Canning basketball is a rather real once they get done shelving football. The risk just isn’t that different in BB.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
The issue for a large number of schools in the SEC and XII is that football is their primary revenue driver. Football is important for the the B1G and ACC, also; but, it is not the only big money maker at many of those universities. For example, Penn State generated $970 Million in research money in 2019 (PSU website) while football generated $100 Million in revenue. In contract, Oklahoma U stated that generated $98 Million in research activity (2017) while its football program generated $175 Million (2019).
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There is not going to be a season. The dominoes are falling.
 
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Let’s start hoping a season off, or even a late start, helps our young football team develop. Other schools with more developed rosters should be fine and can likely keep their rosters mostly intact.

Basketball will be next and that is far more frightening. Would a cancelled season result in Bouk entering the draft? Would others head to Europe? I think basketball has to go on for the sake of the college game. Maybe, it starts late but they have to play. A basketball roster could be decimated by a lost season and so many pro options around the globe.
 
polycom said:
The word is awful. Adults allowing students (unpaid employees) put their lives on the line for our entertainment... there’s no way to justify it.
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You are a loon,, high school kids were out practicing today (see our QB recruit thread) and high school age baseball players have started summer games in Connecticut. I guess you support paying them too? When salaries are required for college athletes college athletics will come to an end and then you can take your victory lap before the fields are plowed under. Lock the gates!
 
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cohenzone said:
It amazes me how many people don't understand how a virus spreads and what it takes to contain a spread absent a vaccine. We all want everything to be pre-virus, but its the square peg round hole thing. You can't wish or force a virus to stop spreading and of course it sucks. FWIW, I'm well connected to someone in the athletic ticket office and know they have regular conference calls. It's going to be a while before UConn, and I'm sure colleges and universities across the country, get back to anything resembling the good old days. Professors aren't keen on in person teaching right now. Sports are unlikely to be the tail wagging the dog.
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Will the professors still get paid if they don’t teach live classes?
 
metsfan2323 said:
You are a loon,, high school kids were out practicing today (see our QB recruit thread) and high school age baseball players have started summer games in Connecticut. I guess you support paying them too? When salaries are required for college athletes college athletics will come to an end and then you can take your victory lap before the fields are plowed under. Lock the gates!
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Easy there. The schools need to pivot ASAP and let kids get whatever they can from the sponsorship/endorsement world. No salaries, just endorsement money. They have to stop denying kids the right to make side money if they aren’t employees and they are not employees.
 
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