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Exit 4 said:
Easy there. The schools need to pivot ASAP and let kids get whatever they can from the sponsorship/endorsement world. No salaries, just endorsement money. They have to stop denying kids the right to make side money if they aren’t employees and they are not employees.
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I was responding to a person who called them "unpaid employees", technically they still will be unpaid by the schools if they are allowed to make money off of their fame and only the very best players will achieve said fame. I don't know how much we are going to like this new system when our best basketball and football players start transferring to the SEC but at least "Polycom" will be happy for them.
 
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Slick said:
Will the professors still get paid if they don’t teach live classes?
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If they teach they get paid. They definitely have to do a lot of adjusting to set up on line classes. My son is a prof in the SUNY
system and it’s as different a world for the instructors as anyone else. Other things the people anxious to go back to business as usual might not notice. My granddaughter, child of the prof, is 16. She was born 2 mos premature so has compromised lungs. My son is theoretically at lower risk than his daughter. No way does he like the use of carrying a virus home. There are countless personal situations involving teachers and other non-students in colleges everywhere. Letting being antsy rule a solid approach makes no sense. I don’t think anyone here is suggesting we ignore the risks, but it seems clear that the desire to have a football season does affect some thought as to what should be accepted. The medical community needs to guide common sense decisions. There are pro athletes saying they won’t play this year. It isn’t so they can vacation.
 
metsfan2323 said:
I was responding to a person who called them "unpaid employees", technically they still will be unpaid by the schools if they are allowed to make money off of their fame and only the very best players will achieve said fame. I don't know how much we are going to like this new system when our best basketball and football players start transferring to the SEC but at least "Polycom" will be happy for them.
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The new system won’t be a good fit for us- it also won’t be a good fit for most....but it will be more fair to kids.
 
Exit 4 said:
A lot of kids would completely disagree.

When they flip the switch and kill the season - let’s see how happy the kids are... and then let’s see how happy we are when basketball is the next sport to get furloughed. Canning basketball is a rather real once they get done shelving football. The risk just isn’t that different in BB.
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That's why we call them "kids".
 
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Pudge said:
Money

The Southern Public State schools monetary Needs are far different than Ivy. The answer is money. And while UConn budget is challenging ... being a Mississippi with a loss of tens of millions that they plugged into the budget will lead to a different decision tree.
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The virus will drive the ultimate decision no matter how different the economics are. Some things can’t be escaped until this thing can be controlled. There was a report yesterday from Europe that some believe that there is no herd immunity. Which, if true, means without a vaccine there will be slow going. Family decisions are also a big factor affecting college sports.
 
Fascinating read. I don’t think we are going to see football at all and basketball spring semester at earliest.

I think we are starting to see many people come to grips with this. it ist hhapoenifn

it is just too unmanageable and too many ethical concerns. How can a school out players out there to play a game while it isn’t even safe for students to be on campus?

that is insane. Are we gonna quarantine soccer and volleyball athletes? How about x-country and field hockey.
 
What amazes me is the stuff people don’t seem to understand. When cases go up a number of people needing hospitalization also go up. Which means there is less ability to treat other problems. People are still having heart attacks in Phoenix and San Antonio. People are still getting in accidents. But when ERs and icus are overwhelmed those people are “competing” for care with Covid patients. And sure the death rate is low among young and healthy people, but it isn’t zero. Nor is the hospitalization rate. So it’s basic math. If 1% of the cases end up in the icu and you have 100 cases you need a bed. If the number of cases increase to 100,000 you need 100. Since the number of beds Is finite, and there are other demands on them, it makes sense to minimize Covid cases. That that seems hard for some to understand is beyond my comprehension.

I write this part because the deniers will want to quibble. I used 1% because the math is easy not because the lag is the actual percentage of people 18-22 who get Covid and need hospitalization. I don’t know what that number is though I’m sure it is out there somewhere.
 
Exit 4 said:
Easy there. The schools need to pivot ASAP and let kids get whatever they can from the sponsorship/endorsement world. No salaries, just endorsement money. They have to stop denying kids the right to make side money if they aren’t employees and they are not employees.
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This is the solution.

Title ix would be a nightmare if you had to pay players as employees.

But there also needs to be limits.

No using university marks or even saying the player is the qb, lineman etc for the team.

And. I deals that are morally repugnant to the university or conflict with current contracts the university has.
 
polycom said:
...allowing allowing students put their lives on the line for our entertainment... there’s no way to justify it.
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There has never been no risk of getting sick, seriously injured or even dying.
www.theguardian.com

'Junction Boys syndrome': how college football fatalities became normalized

There’s no good reason for college football workouts to be dangerous, let alone fatal. Yet tragedies like the death of Maryland lineman Jordan McNair have become numbingly familiar
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
>>33 NCAA football players died playing the sport between 2000 and 2016, an average of two per season. <<
 
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Marbles90 said:
There has never been no risk of getting sick, seriously injured or even dying.
www.theguardian.com

'Junction Boys syndrome': how college football fatalities became normalized

There’s no good reason for college football workouts to be dangerous, let alone fatal. Yet tragedies like the death of Maryland lineman Jordan McNair have become numbingly familiar
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
>>33 NCAA football players died playing the sport between 2000 and 2016, an average of two per season. <<
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the difference is when you get hurt playing football, you don't unwillingly cause people around you to spontaneously get CTE or a concussion.
 
phillionaire said:
the difference is when you get hurt playing football, you don't unwillingly cause people around you to spontaneously get CTE or a concussion.
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I get that. The comment was they were putting their life on the line playing with a chance of getting Covid.
 
MilliniumPrince said:
That's why we call them "kids".
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Kids that can vote...etc...etc. Its funny how a young persons opinion has value until it conflicts with your opinion and then we decide it doesn't have value. Just saying....

There are roughly 11,050 scholarship slots in FBS football (130 X 85). If we dont play this fall or next spring for many of these kids that window to perform on a stage gets narrower (true in all sports). Sure the NCAA ought to give everyone an extra year of eligibility, but that wont change the fact that in the fall of 2021 the competition for playing time will be challenged by the next crop of kids and thus opportunities diminished. As the fall sports get cancel this sad possibility will be sinking in for many that worked hard waiting for 2020-21 to be their year.

A full year without college athletics and the opportunities lost certainly gives one more time to weigh that bigger question; are college athletics abusive because the kids are unpaid employees or to the contrary is it one of the best and most satisfying internships ever devised? A full year without sports will certainly lead to more of these "athletic internships" being permanently eliminated under budget stress.
 
Exit 4 said:
Kids that can vote...etc...etc. Its funny how a young persons opinion has value until it conflicts with your opinion and then we decide it doesn't have value. Just saying....

There are roughly 11,050 scholarship slots in FBS football (130 X 85). If we dont play this fall or next spring for many of these kids that window to perform on a stage gets narrower (true in all sports). Sure the NCAA ought to give everyone an extra year of eligibility, but that wont change the fact that in the fall of 2021 the competition for playing time will be challenged by the next crop of kids and thus opportunities diminished. As the fall sports get cancel this sad possibility will be sinking in for many that worked hard waiting for 2020-21 to be their year.

A full year without college athletics and the opportunities lost certainly gives one more time to weigh that bigger question; are college athletics abusive because the kids are unpaid employees or to the contrary is it one of the best and most satisfying internships ever devised? A full year without sports will certainly lead to more of these "athletic internships" being permanently eliminated under budget stress.
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I didn't say their opinions aren't valued. But again, we call them kids for a reason. I can't speak for anyone else, but I know my decision making process, especially as it relates to my passions, is a lot deeper in my forties than it was when I was 18. I suspect I am not the only one in that boat. Hell, we know the psyche isn't even fully developed at that age.

Of course most want to play. I would have when I was 18, felt invincible, and had no real concept of life beyond that stage. This may be a decision shouldn't force them to make.
 
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freescooter said:
What amazes me is the stuff people don’t seem to understand. When cases go up a number of people needing hospitalization also go up. Which means there is less ability to treat other problems. People are still having heart attacks in Phoenix and San Antonio. People are still getting in accidents. But when ERs and icus are overwhelmed those people are “competing” for care with Covid patients. And sure the death rate is low among young and healthy people, but it isn’t zero. Nor is the hospitalization rate. So it’s basic math. If 1% of the cases end up in the icu and you have 100 cases you need a bed. If the number of cases increase to 100,000 you need 100. Since the number of beds Is finite, and there are other demands on them, it makes sense to minimize Covid cases. That that seems hard for some to understand is beyond my comprehension.

I write this part because the deniers will want to quibble. I used 1% because the math is easy not because the lag is the actual percentage of people 18-22 who get Covid and need hospitalization. I don’t know what that number is though I’m sure it is out there somewhere.
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So you are saying the pandemic is bad? I had not considered that.
 
Marbles90 said:
There has never been no risk of getting sick, seriously injured or even dying.
www.theguardian.com

'Junction Boys syndrome': how college football fatalities became normalized

There’s no good reason for college football workouts to be dangerous, let alone fatal. Yet tragedies like the death of Maryland lineman Jordan McNair have become numbingly familiar
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
>>33 NCAA football players died playing the sport between 2000 and 2016, an average of two per season. <<
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yes because this is similar to having a virus that you don’t know you have and then giving it to someone by merely being in the same room as someone and then they die. Yes it’s 100% similar.
 
polycom said:
yes because this is similar to having a virus that you don’t know you have and then giving it to someone by merely being in the same room as someone and then they die. Yes it’s 100% similar.
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Read your own quote: "students put their lives on the line..." Nice pivot to giving it to others, though. 100% the same....
 
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polycom said:
yes because this is similar to having a virus that you don’t know you have and then giving it to someone by merely being in the same room as someone and then they die. Yes it’s 100% similar.
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I was thinking about this.

McNair died by accident. A simple case of negligence.

If a player dies of covid it is because coaches, and schools knowingly made them take the risk during a known pandemic. Clearly beyond negligence.
 
Ok - retry. I look forward to the cancelization of sports because of COVid. Safety first.
 
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