OT: Pats v. Chiefs

[mauconnfan]

What in the world are you even talking about here?

You've lost your mind.

I didn't say anything about a Chief making an outstanding catch or a lucky throw.

Holy cow.

What is wrong with you?

The one TD was a product of 35 yard PI (not a good throw by Mahomes)

 

[upstater]

What about the call on the DL who didn't hit Brady? what about... on and on and on you are my neighbor. LOL

Wow--I wrote that the KC gameplan was similar to the first half except for the addition of one more fattie on the DL, which was a good change. But more or less, they stuck with the heaves downfield. And they did! I also wrote one of those drives was benefited by, one, a PI that would not have been a completion because of a poor throw, and a totally illegal pick play. The refs gifted the Chiefs 7 there. That's basically it. Otherwise I think Mahomes is great, was great, and will be great, and I stated this multiple times in this thread long before you chimed in with your, "Give Mahomes credit!"

 

[mauconnfan]

Funny I started out saying GOAT for sure, it gets here with these fans and why? Oh yeah it's my hatred. Too funny I am out. Congrats on the win, I believe you win easy in 2 weeks just not a believer in the NFC this year but who knows. I know who I will be rooting for that's for sure.

 

[upstater]

The one TD was a product of 35 yard PI (not a good throw by Mahomes)

A 35 yard PI & a illegal pick play. Of course it wasn't a good throw--it was inside and short.

 

[upstater]

Funny I started out saying GOAT for sure, it gets here with these fans and why? Oh yeah it's my hatred. Too funny I am out. Congrats on the win, I believe you win easy in 2 weeks just not a believer in the NFC this year but who knows. I know who I will be rooting for that's for sure.

LOL--playing the innocent. Come on...

 

[superjohn]

Romo is a dope he's afraid to say it like it is, everyone on earth thought it was easily PIU but you Romo and all Pats fans. Pick plays happen all the time live with it seen Edelman jam people all the time. My hatred is nothing compare to how blind you actually are but most of you Pats fans are in defense of you it's not just you. Everyone of my buddies in WesMass who vary with their fandom (Cowboys, Jets, Vikings, Skins, Eagles and more) we golf together, during together, go out with wives together but if the Pats are playing any of our teams and they want us over, no shot. Too many whack jobs to listen to. Every play there should be a call on the other team and you seem to fit right in with that.

You won, let it be.

Patriots complaining about pick plays is like Dookies complaining about flopping.

The one constant in all these threads is what a loser upstater is.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Brady takes an enormous pay cut that allows them to go pick up guys. Something no other QB does. He married someone that makes more than him and he has never really tried ri squeeze every dollar out of a negotiation.

I can't believe this isn't talked about more. Giselle being his sugar momma, and the fact that the Patriots have funneled money to Brady via a company he owns, means that Brady's salary is irrelevant and the Patriots can take the extra 10-15MM and put it towards the rest of the roster. No other team with a top QB can do that.

 

[Waquoit]

What New England did to the state of CT is even bigger bs...how do CT folks even cheer for NE??

I can't stand the Krafts, but the fact is CT couldn't deliver on their promises. That's what killed the deal.

The real complaint is, if it wasn't for the Pats deal collapsing, The Rent would have never been built and we wouldn't be stuck in the AAC.

 

[HuskyHawk]

What about the call on the DL who didn't hit Brady? what about... on and on and on you are my neighbor. LOL

His fingers hit Brady's facemask, which is, technically, roughing the passer. Even though it was a bad and stupid call under those circumstances. It's also a bad rule. I think the ref thought the hand made more substantial contact with the crown of the helmet, but he was wrong.

The refs did not decide that second game. Stuff happened both ways. The holding on D by the Chiefs was epic.

Brady has now been to more Super Bowls than any team other than the Patriots has. That's astonishing. The guy deserves the credit he gets.

 

[CL82]

I can't stand the Krafts, but the fact is CT couldn't deliver on their promises. That's what killed the deal.

The real complaint is, if it wasn't for the Pats deal collapsing, The Rent would have never been built and we wouldn't be stuck in the AAC.

I think about that from time to time. If the Pats had built in Hartford, UConn would have played there. That acclimatized people to playing in off campus, Hartford area stadium. Rightly or wrongly, I blame Kraft for that.

 

[noeynox]

Funny the call was a PI clearly he grabbed then pushed him. The others were what they were, hardly called so they weren't on either side. But you clearly need to be a Pats fan not to see 31 was stopping any momentum. They missed a hold and tug with Gronk out there you can bitch about that but not the one they called down the sideline on your guy.

That pick play was as egregious as the non call in the saints game. It is what it is

And Mahomes is gonna absolutely own the AFC in short time, but at one point yesterday he was 13-26, passing. He will need to become more efficient but he's 23 an and absolute joy to watch. Plus his dad was a Met.

 

[Adios]

Are its not "all" majority would be correct. Maybe the one's who didn't have a hat or tee shirt until 2002 I don't know. Again everyone recognizes it but the Nation. That's hilarious.

Everyone knows about bandwagoners.

Thank you very much. Try again.

 

[Kitaman]

Did anyone here think that Brady was not going to score a TD in overtime, when they elected to take the ball?

You could tell throughout the game that Brady had not lost 'his magic'? He's a steps ahead of the young un's and the game is so easy for him. Romo is right he's a coach on the field at all times. He knows he is the best player on the field and will prove it, especially in meaningful games. We all are watching a Michael Jordon at work, and a player we may not see again for a generation or two. I'm no Pats fan, and I'm no Brady fan, I am however a fan of greatness, regardless of jersey.

Lastly did anyone think the Chiefs excessive end zone celebrations were flat out dumb? They basically were poking the bear each time, and forgetting (or not caring) that the game was far from over. They did it 2 times in the 4th quarter, against a Championship team who rarely loses big games. It looked at one time that Reid wanted to corral them. Obviously they've never been there before. Just plain stoopid!

 

[Rocktheworld]

The worst call was the Brady roughing call.

Granted, the Saints non-call had larger implications for impact on the game. But in that play, the ref may have had a bad angle and with the speed of the game, may not have been able to make the judgment of contact related to when the ball arrived. To us, it was obvious; but he may not have felt comfortable making such a huge call without enough visual evidence in the moment, specifically because you can’t go back and change the call.

The Brady call was as flagrant a “miss”, was made by a ref with at least as bad an angle, and a false positive should always be considered worse than a false negative. Same logic is applied in the judicial system (a thousand guilty men free for a single innocent man convicted, or however it goes)

 

[Kitaman]

I think Mahomes is way better than him as are some others at this point. Brady is great but the greatness has always been more in the coaching IMO. He doesn't get touched and just consistently hits guys open 7-8 yards down the field as they march down the field for scores. Brady is awesome but Belichick is the true genius.

I somewhat disagree. I think they are equals. Put Belicheck on the Packers (with Rodgers) and I still don't see them having this level of success. They are hand in glove, on the same page and a unified force.

As for Brady he's a tactician, just like his Coach and commands games. He seems always to be in control. Much of that is experience combined with unparalleled success. They both better retire at the same time if they want to go out on a high note.

 

[intlzncster]

Somehow @intlzncster, the most points ever scored in a conference championship game 4Q may have played a role

Perhaps.

 

[intlzncster]

The worst call was the Brady roughing call.

Come on. Arguing that the Brady call was worse than the Saints call is some pretty crazy spin zone. The Saints call has to be a top five botched call in the history of the game, given the situation. Has to be.

There's a reason nobodies talking much about it. Whereas the Saints call will be talked about for years to come.

Granted, the Saints non-call had larger implications for impact on the game. But in that play, the ref may have had a bad angle and with the speed of the game, may not have been able to make the judgment of contact related to when the ball arrived. To us, it was obvious; but he may not have felt comfortable making such a huge call without enough visual evidence in the moment, specifically because you can’t go back and change the call.

It wasn't even bang bang. The ref was 10ft from the guys with direct line of sight. It was so blatantly ahead of time, even the defender was shocked (he said as much after the game).

The ref said after that he thought the ball was tipped. That was the worst non call I've seen in a long, long time. In fact, most any other ref on the field could have made that one. They just deferred to the guy right next to the play, likely because they didn't want to have the weight on their shoulders.

When you have the refs calling Sean Peyton telling him they totally blew, and they just can't believe they did that, you know it was bad.

The Brady call was as flagrant a “miss”, was made by a ref with at least as bad an angle, and a false positive should always be considered worse than a false negative. Same logic is applied in the judicial system (a thousand guilty men free for a single innocent man convicted, or however it goes)

The problem was the ref who called it was behind him. When the defensive player skimmed the helmet with his hand, Brady's helmet moved (he wears it loose i think). So the guy behind saw the hand come down, the helmet move unnaturally, and threw the flag. Shouldn't have thrown it imo.

[Not for nothing, but iirc there was PI on Edelman (or Gronk can't remember which) on that play anyway that wasn't called.]

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

As a Patriots fan I'm spoiled. Not only do I get to enjoy yesterday's thrilling win, I get to go on the Boneyard and read the same delicious posts from the same handful of anti-Pats fans. And not only that, rather than simply enjoying the fact that his team is going to be playing in yet another Super Bowl, and relishing the fact that those same fans are going to have to endure another two weeks of this, Upstater tries to take on every single argument. It's great. Maybe as fun as the game itself.

 

[mauconnfan]

Everyone knows about bandwagoners.

Thank you very much. Try again.

Not like you guys the kings.

 

[Adios]

Not like you guys the kings.

I am a king? Didn't know that.

Look man, some of us were fans before Brady and never imagined what has come to be. We had season tix in 1991, worst season in Patriots history. So get off your high horse and stop being so upset at bandwagoners. You should feel bad for them that they need a pro team to feel better about life.

I used to get mocked at for being a Patriots fan. I am sure my past friends remember me.

 

[Stainmaster]

I am a king? Didn't know that.

Look man, some of us were fans before Brady and never imagined what has come to be. We had season tix in 1991, worst season in Patriots history. So get off your high horse and stop being so upset at bandwagoners. You should feel bad for them that they need a pro team to feel better about life.

I used to get mocked at for being a Patriots fan. I am sure my past friends remember me.

It sure feels great being lectured about bandwagoners by fans of the New York Yankees.

 

[superjohn]

It sure feels great being lectured about bandwagoners by fans of the New York Yankees.

Pink hat nation isn't a Yankees thing.

 

[Stainmaster]

Pink hat nation isn't a Yankees thing.

Bandwagoning didn't start with pink hats. It's a lesser version of the much larger and more obnoxious Yankees bandwagon.

Yankees fans just can't get over the fact that after nearly a century, the Red Sox are no longer pushovers. That's why they're constantly living in the past as they continue to fade into mediocrity in real life.

 

[Walker11]

 

[Devland]

The worst call was the Brady roughing call.

Granted, the Saints non-call had larger implications for impact on the game. But in that play, the ref may have had a bad angle and with the speed of the game, may not have been able to make the judgment of contact related to when the ball arrived. To us, it was obvious; but he may not have felt comfortable making such a huge call without enough visual evidence in the moment, specifically because you can’t go back and change the call.

The Brady call was as flagrant a “miss”, was made by a ref with at least as bad an angle, and a false positive should always be considered worse than a false negative. Same logic is applied in the judicial system (a thousand guilty men free for a single innocent man convicted, or however it goes)

When they first threw the roughing the passer flag, I really thought it was going to be on the defensive back for holding or PI against Edelman. I said afterward that they called the wrong penalty but they ended up getting the correct result.

 

[Doctor Hoop]

It always amazes me to see people give most of the credit to the OL for him being untouched, but it surely has more to do with his quick release. Last week, Ingram and Bosa were shutout, and Bosa was mic'd up talking about all his wins against LT Brown amounting to nothing. This week the top sack team in the NFL shutout. He goes against Aaron Donald in the Super Bowl. Is it his great OL? They deserve credit, so does their coach, but ... throughout the Patriots history, they've made do with castoffs, mid round draftees and mostly UDFAs. This team is no different. That starting 5 had a castoff from San Fran at LT, 3 mid round picks in Mason, Thuney and Cannon, and a UDFA in Andrews. Only Mason is a star OL out of all their guys. The fact he doesn't get sacked has a lot to do with his quick release, and his ability to move in the pocket, and his ability to read the defense pre-snap and post-snap. Most of the credit goes to Brady. He'd do the same with any other OL on any other team. That being said, when he's prevented from using the short passing system, teams can get pressure and hit him hard when he holds the ball longer looking downfield. The Eagles did it last year, and he responded well. The Giants did it well in the first SB and he responded not so well. In the second Giants SB, he was also hit but he had a very good game despite that. The flip side of this is Mahomes. The guy has all the ability in the world, but he held the ball way too long looking for a homerun and one of the most anemic DLs in the entire NFL sacked him multiple times.

OL play and DL play seems to be more of a matter of gameplan and system than anything else. Mahomes can transform his game and be even more dominant than he was this year if he isn't constantly looking for a homerun play.

The O-Line? Dante Scarnecchia. He gets the most out of the least, why they brought him back after he retired.

 

[intlzncster]

As a Patriots fan I'm spoiled. Not only do I get to enjoy yesterday's thrilling win, I get to go on the Boneyard and read the same delicious posts from the same handful of anti-Pats fans. And not only that, rather than simply enjoying the fact that his team is going to be playing in yet another Super Bowl, and relishing the fact that those same fans are going to have to endure another two weeks of this, Upstater tries to take on every single argument. It's great. Maybe as fun as the game itself.

This. The bitterness is palpable. And I get the hate. They just win so goshdarn much it must be infuriating for fans of other teams.

It's funny watch them twist their brains into a pretzel to try write off Brady, BB, the Pats, or the fans.

Brady 9 Superbowls in 17 seasons of starting. 53%. And you can't even admit he's the GOAT? At some point, the numbers are just smacking you so hard in the face you must be punch drunk.

 

[storrsroars]

and a false positive should always be considered worse than a false negative. Same logic is applied in the judicial system (a thousand guilty men free for a single innocent man convicted, or however it goes)

Doesn't work that way with HIV...

I don't care what "angle" the ref had, the receiver getting blown up on a catchable pass should have been an automatic flag. It was just the DB and the WR, no other traffic around. You'd have to have your back turned to miss that call.

 

[intlzncster]

The O-Line? Dante Scarnecchia. He gets the most out of the least, why they brought him back after he retired.

You're not wrong, but they have some pretty damn good players on Oline. Brown, Mason, and Cannon* are all very, very good players.

*credit to Scar for turning around his career by identifying and changing his technique to something where he could be very successful. Great piece of coaching there.

 

[intlzncster]

When they first threw the roughing the passer flag, I really thought it was going to be on the defensive back for holding or PI against Edelman. I said afterward that they called the wrong penalty but they ended up getting the correct result.

Same.