PAC 12 WBB News

[nwhoopfan]

Can Avery handle the point? Asking for PNW WCBB Team.

Well considering UW has nothing slightly resembling a PG in their rotation and she couldn't get minutes there...

 

[Jorislove]

Btw, As an example, Taylor Chavez transferred out because she wanted to start and play a lot of minutes at Oregon which did not happen.

I hear she is just killing in down in Tuscon with her 14.9 minutes and 2.4 points per game average.

Again, the team has zero chemistry in Oregon. There seems to be some selfish individuals and clearly other players weren't going to take it anymore.

 

[AZgirl]

Again, the team has zero chemistry in Oregon. There seems to be some selfish individuals and clearly other players weren't going to take it anymore.

Besides, the potshots at Taylor sound like someone who has watched zero minutes of Arizona this year. Not a shock, tbh. Primary rotation players (Chavez is one of them) are playing very little in most of their games. Freshmen are getting a lot of minutes right now. It's called depth and development. None of the top 8-9 are playing more than about 21 minutes except Sam Thomas who plays about 25. In close games, they play more.

Anyway, former UCLA commit Paris Clark to Arizona. She announced tonight.

 

[Figurehead]

Besides, the potshots at Taylor sound like someone who has watched zero minutes of Arizona this year. Not a shock, tbh. Primary rotation players (Chavez is one of them) are playing very little in most of their games. Freshmen are getting a lot of minutes right now. It's called depth and development. None of the top 8-9 are playing more than about 21 minutes except Sam Thomas who plays about 25. In close games, they play more.

Anyway, former UCLA commit Paris Clark to Arizona. She announced tonight.

The pot shots taken at Oregon from someone who is out of state claiming they know they have zero chemistry sounds like sour grapes. Not a shock however.

 

[Figurehead]

Again, the team has zero chemistry in Oregon. There seems to be some selfish individuals and clearly other players weren't going to take it anymore.

I guess we can agree that Sabrina was selfish. We have heard that a thousand times that is the one and only reason she got the triple doubles. We have heard that narrative all before.

 

[jonson]

Again, the team has zero chemistry in Oregon. There seems to be some selfish individuals and clearly other players weren't going to take it anymore.

Besides, the potshots at Taylor sound like someone who has watched zero minutes of Arizona this year. Not a shock, tbh. Primary rotation players (Chavez is one of them) are playing very little in most of their games. Freshmen are getting a lot of minutes right now. It's called depth and development. None of the top 8-9 are playing more than about 21 minutes except Sam Thomas who plays about 25. In close games, they play more.

Anyway, former UCLA commit Paris Clark to Arizona. She announced tonight.

Filing that waiver is even worse than the NCAA allowing it. I don't buy "poor Graves, his players transferred," either. Why did so many transfer out? Not reserves who got little playing time, which I completely understand, but starters and rotation players? How many other Pac-12 teams are losing players who get significant minutes to the portal? Other than those undergoing coaching changes (and ASU, which is kind of a mess), you just rarely see that.

I especially hate these waivers because they so often devolve into trashing other programs. Flat out lies in some cases.

I don't know what could possibly have justified this waiver.

To @Jorislove--aren't you the poster who called N. Sabally a "ball hog" and (worse) "bully" in another thread? Both show just how little you know about--or care to know about--Oregon. And both, for me, disqualify you as being close to providing an informed perspective on the team. Moreover, the latter is simply insulting (and couldn't be more wrong). Don't know why you have such a problem with Graves et al., but maybe you should do a little more research before making pronouncements like that.

As for @AZgirl: I'm certainly not one to take potshots at Taylor (one my favorites), but her play last year (vs. her play the year before) did show how difficult it was to transition from being on a team with Ionescu, Hebard, and S. Sabally to being on one where she had much greater responsibilities and received a lot more attention from opposing players. Not a surprise and surely not unusual when a team/player suddenly finds itself missing the stars upon whom it had depended for the past 3 years (4 in the case of Ionescu and Hebard). And, as you may not know, an important reason for her transfer had to do with family matters, not playing time or team chemistry--matters for which she was excused several times last year so she could return home to Arizona.

I could go on (and on) about some of the comments/insinuations above: The Mikesell transfer? Chemistry issues? Perhaps. But starting at Maryland didn't work for her; neither did starting at Oregon; maybe the third time (Ohio State, for which she received an immediate waiver, by the way) will be the charm.

My main point, however, is that folks should be little more hesitant about making declarations for which they don't seem to have done the necessary homework.

 

[Figurehead]

To @Jorislove--aren't you the poster who called N. Sabally a "ball hog" and (worse) "bully" in another thread? Both show just how little you know about--or care to know about--Oregon. And both, for me, disqualify you as being close to providing an informed perspective on the team. Moreover, the latter is simply insulting (and couldn't be more wrong). Don't know why you have such a problem with Graves et al., but maybe you should do a little more research before making pronouncements like that.

As for @AZgirl: I'm certainly not one to take potshots at Taylor (one my favorites), but her play last year (vs. her play the year before) did show how difficult it was to transition from being on a team with Ionescu, Hebard, and S. Sabally to being on one where she had much greater responsibilities and received a lot more attention from opposing players. Not a surprise and surely not unusual when a team/player suddenly finds itself missing the stars upon whom it had depended for the past 3 years (4 in the case of Ionescu and Hebard). And, as you may not know, an important reason for her transfer had to do with family matters, not playing time or team chemistry--matters for which she was excused several times last year so she could return home to Arizona.

I could go on (and on) about some of the comments/insinuations above: The Mikesell transfer? Chemistry issues? Perhaps. But starting at Maryland didn't work for her; neither did starting at Oregon; maybe the third time (Ohio State, for which she received an immediate waiver, by the way) will be the charm.

My main point, however, is that folks should be little more hesitant about making declarations for which they don't seem to have done the necessary homework.

Pretty much summed it up very well.

 

[Jorislove]

To @Jorislove--aren't you the poster who called N. Sabally a "ball hog" and (worse) "bully" in another thread? Both show just how little you know about--or care to know about--Oregon. And both, for me, disqualify you as being close to providing an informed perspective on the team. Moreover, the latter is simply insulting (and couldn't be more wrong). Don't know why you have such a problem with Graves et al., but maybe you should do a little more research before making pronouncements like that.

As for @AZgirl: I'm certainly not one to take potshots at Taylor (one my favorites), but her play last year (vs. her play the year before) did show how difficult it was to transition from being on a team with Ionescu, Hebard, and S. Sabally to being on one where she had much greater responsibilities and received a lot more attention from opposing players. Not a surprise and surely not unusual when a team/player suddenly finds itself missing the stars upon whom it had depended for the past 3 years (4 in the case of Ionescu and Hebard). And, as you may not know, an important reason for her transfer had to do with family matters, not playing time or team chemistry--matters for which she was excused several times last year so she could return home to Arizona.

I could go on (and on) about some of the comments/insinuations above: The Mikesell transfer? Chemistry issues? Perhaps. But starting at Maryland didn't work for her; neither did starting at Oregon; maybe the third time (Ohio State, for which she received an immediate waiver, by the way) will be the charm.

My main point, however, is that folks should be little more hesitant about making declarations for which they don't seem to have done the necessary homework.

Yeah I guess Oregon is just the perfect team right now, no one allowed to criticize them. Hope the season goes well.

 

[Figurehead]

Yeah I guess Oregon is just the perfect team right now, no one allowed to criticize them. Hope the season goes well.

Criticize with facts is one thing and hidden agendas is another.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Utah survives a 1-19 shooting performance behind the 3 point line. I think other than that one triple, EVERY other basket was in the paint. No mid range jumpers, nothing. Weird game. Against Utah Valley. UVU controlled most of the 2nd half, but went on a drought at the end.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Wow, Loville scored 34 on 12-15 shooting for Arizona St. today. I think she's been a bit up and down this year, but she's definitely an asset for them.

 

[jdote33]

watching oregon vs k state, i actually like really like oregon. They've been hit hard with the injury bug but rogers and sabally are back today. I like how rogers sees the game. Her shot has been a bit off but she gives them a different dynamic. Scherr has really improved from last year to this year and Watson always produces when she's in. I just feel like their depth which was touted last year is actually better this year. I also think u can clearly see everyone's role on the team, and that they play decently off each other. That being said it looks like they might take an L tonight against a solid K State team.

 

[Ciscokid]

watching oregon vs k state, i actually like really like oregon. They've been hit hard with the injury bug but rogers and sabally are back today. I like how rogers sees the game. Her shot has been a bit off but she gives them a different dynamic. Scherr has really improved from last year to this year and Watson always produces when she's in. I just feel like their depth which was touted last year is actually better this year. I also think u can clearly see everyone's role on the team, and that they play decently off each other. That being said it looks like they might take an L tonight against a solid K State team.

I hope Prince is making money with the NIL deal, because she doesn't seem to be focused on basketball. It hurts the others who are at least working hard.

 

[Floridaduck]

That being said it looks like they might take an L tonight against a solid K State team

This was always going to be a tough road game for the Ducks. Impressed with the smooth efficiency of Ayoka Lee. Oregon played a pretty even game in rebound, turnovers, assists and the like. Their downfall was shooting pct. it was ouch. 33% overall, 28% from 3. Hurst, Parrish and Sabally combined for 5 for 23.

 

[LwrcasefaN]

This was always going to be a tough road game for the Ducks. Impressed with the smooth efficiency of Angola Lee. Oregon played a pretty even game in rebound, turnovers, assists and the like. Their downfall was shooting pct. it was ouch. 33% overall, 22% from 3. Hurst, Parrish and Sabally combined for 5 for 23.

AYOKA Lee.

Ayoka Lee Stats, News, Bio | ESPN

 

[Figurehead]

I hope Prince is making money with the NIL deal, because she doesn't seem to be focused on basketball. It hurts the others who are at least working hard.

Prince is a disappointment. If she moves on after this year to something else I think it will help overall in the long run. I think what you see now is what you get. Nothing more and nothing less. She does not want to put the work into the basketball side. I don't think she is in the gym after hours working on her game but I have nothing to back that up that feeling.

 

[Figurehead]

This was always going to be a tough road game for the Ducks. Impressed with the smooth efficiency of Angola Lee. Oregon played a pretty even game in rebound, turnovers, assists and the like. Their downfall was shooting pct. it was ouch. 33% overall, 22% from 3. Hurst, Parrish and Sabally combined for 5 for 23.

What I see at this point is consistency. Give me a player or players that consistently scores around 10 points a game over 4, 18, 4,6, 23 and 5 and I think you can settle on a rotation. Right now it is in a mode of trying to find who can score. I think they are another two players away from swinging those games another way. There are a couple of promising recruits in the future that could help. I am expecting a lot from a future Vanslooten,

That and you need a Alpha dog on the team.

 

[Floridaduck]

AYOKA Lee.

Ayoka Lee Stats, News, Bio | ESPN

Spell check LOL I KNOW who Ayoka Lee is. Anyway I was most impressed. Smoothly scoring at will against a succession of Oregon bigs. The way she ate up the 6’8” rookie Kyei over a brief couple minutes…
Graves post game: "We better start winning some games or else we’re not going to be playing in March."

 

[LwrcasefaN]

Spell check LOL I KNOW who Ayoka Lee is. Anyway I was most impressed. Smoothly scoring at will against a succession of Oregon bigs. The way she ate up the 6’8” rookie Kyei over a brief couple minutes…

Yea...she's the real deal.

 

[visitingcock]

Spell check LOL I KNOW who Ayoka Lee is. Anyway I was most impressed. Smoothly scoring at will against a succession of Oregon bigs. The way she ate up the 6’8” rookie Kyei over a brief couple minutes…

I thought Lee had an impressive outing against Boston et al.

 

[jonson]

Prince is a disappointment. If she moves on after this year to something else I think it will help overall in the long run. I think what you see now is what you get. Nothing more and nothing less. She does not want to put the work into the basketball side. I don't think she is in the gym after hours working on her game but I have nothing to back that up that feeling.

I couldn't agree more. Ironically, the same player who received so many kudos for revealing the differences between the men's and women's weight rooms at last year's NCAA Tournament looks to me as if she's never actually spent any time in the latter. More important, she just doesn't seem to care much and it shows in every part of her game. Maybe this can/will change--miracles do happen, I suppose--but I frankly doubt it. (I also think that Parrish, who does play hard, really needs to work on her strength in the off season.)

At this point Oregon is not a very good team. Maybe that will change once Rogers works off the rust and Sabally has a chance to get back to where she was at the beginning of the season (I'm not even counting on Paopao), but I wish I could be more optimistic. For me, the only plus about this game was Rogers being back and Scherr maybe being more relaxed, and so a better scorer, with someone finally there to help take some of the responsibilities she's been carrying off her shoulders.

 

[Ciscokid]

And still hoping for a leader to step up. We will absolutely have one next year - Van Slooten and probably others.

 

[Figurehead]

And still hoping for a leader to step up. We will absolutely have one next year - Van Slooten and probably others.

I couldn't agree more. Ironically, the same player who received so many kudos for revealing the differences between the men's and women's weight rooms at last year's NCAA Tournament looks to me as if she's never actually spent any time in the latter. More important, she just doesn't seem to care much and it shows in every part of her game. Maybe this can/will change--miracles do happen, I suppose--but I frankly doubt it. (I also think that Parrish, who does play hard, really needs to work on her strength in the off season.)

At this point Oregon is not a very good team. Maybe that will change once Rogers works off the rust and Sabally has a chance to get back to where she was at the beginning of the season (I'm not even counting on Paopao), but I wish I could be more optimistic. For me, the only plus about this game was Rogers being back and Scherr maybe being more relaxed, and so a better scorer, with someone finally there to help take some of the responsibilities she's been carrying off her shoulders.

I like Parrish's game but she needs to work on being more consistent. Like I said in an earlier post they are about two players short of flipping a couple of those losses.
Right now on the high side I see them at 4th at the very best to hopefully not less than sixth place in the conference.

Just as a reminder of who is coming in and much needed:

Oregon’s four-member class consisted of two five-star prospects from Ohio - point guard Chance Gray (No. 7 nationally) and Grace VanSlooten (No. 13) - and two four-star prospects from Arizona - wing Jennah Isai (No. 36) and post Kennedy Basham (No. 59).

 

[Floridaduck]

I do think Rogers is most likely to become the floor leader for this team and a sorely needed one. She had that role at USC and is an experienced veteran. Maybe the factor needed to mesh this collection of inconsistent role players into a productive unit. Here’s hoping on my side anyway.

 

[Ciscokid]

Jaz Shelley's tearing it up now for 10-0 Nebraska. I can't remember why she transferred.

 

[Jorislove]

I like Parrish's game but she needs to work on being more consistent. Like I said in an earlier post they are about two players short of flipping a couple of those losses.
Right now on the high side I see them at 4th at the very best to hopefully not less than sixth place in the conference.

Just as a reminder of who is coming in and much needed:

Oregon’s four-member class consisted of two five-star prospects from Ohio - point guard Chance Gray (No. 7 nationally) and Grace VanSlooten (No. 13) - and two four-star prospects from Arizona - wing Jennah Isai (No. 36) and post Kennedy Basham (No. 59).

They're definitely a few players short of being competitive right now.
And let's remember Oregon had a full class full of five star recruits. NONE of them look the part. We an argue PaoPao but she comes and goes due to her injuries, which she has struggled with historically. She will just be an in and out of the line up player.

Oregon has issues, people aren't ready to talk about them though. Only now people are just starting to see Prince past her social media status.

 

[Figurehead]

Anyone see Maddie Scherr at Oregon transferring after this year because her boyfriend was picked up by Florida State in football?

Mycah Pittman btw.

 

[Figurehead]

They're definitely a few players short of being competitive right now.
And let's remember Oregon had a full class full of five star recruits. NONE of them look the part. We an argue PaoPao but she comes and goes due to her injuries, which she has struggled with historically. She will just be an in and out of the line up player.

Oregon has issues, people aren't ready to talk about them though. Only now people are just starting to see Prince past her social media status.

Prince is a boat anchor dragging the whole team down. I won't get into it all but sometimes teams have players that don't bring out the positives. Hope she moves on after this season. It happens..................

 

[Floridaduck]

Anyone see Maddie Scherr at Oregon transferring after this year because her boyfriend was picked up by Florida State in football?

Mycah Pittman btw.

Yeah. They are pretty close and with the easy access portal…love Maddie but…

 

[jonson]

Yeah. They are pretty close and with the easy access portal…love Maddie but…

On the other hand, Saylor Poffenbarger's (sp?) boyfriend is at Oregon and she transferred from UCONN to Arkansas, so maybe love doesn't conquer all in such things.