PAC 12 WBB News

[LoTrader]

glad for the beavers, what excuse is Kelly Graves getting this time?

I heard the post game interview with Kelly Graves, and he didn't make any excuses for his team. Even when the interviewers tried to bait him to agreeing there was an unacceptable difference in the amount of free throws OSU shot vs UO, Kelly stated "we fouled". I give Coach Graves a thumbs up for stating plainly that UO got beat fair and square.

 

[Figurehead]

glad for the beavers, what excuse is Kelly Graves getting this time?

You mean the Olivia excuse cannot be used?

 

[Basket]

UofA wins the rematch before 8400+ fans at McKale. ASU tied the game with over a minute left but couldn't pull off a second upset. 35 total fouls in this one after the refs called 69 on Friday.

Both teams tired and Wildcats successfully shut down Loville.

Devils continue this four game road swing with a makeup game against Cal midweek. Assuming we take care of that business on the road the swing up to Washington begins with the key game against the Cougars. After the weekend ASU ends the regular season with the Trojans at home on the 24th what may be a key game for sesding in the season ender against the Bruins on the 26th.

At this point CTT is in good shape but we really have to take care of business and wins against the Cougars and Bruins would be super helpful. Given the topsy-turvy pac conference play I think I would take a split in thise two games and hope our role is favorites in the remaining games allows us to prevail.

Az St Wash St is at Wash St otherwise that would be a fairly good chance of a win. I’d still favor Az St in Pullman but the Huskies have a great home record this year

 

[Figurehead]

Az St Wash St is at Wash St otherwise that would be a fairly good chance of a win. I’d still favor Az St in Pullman but the Huskies have a great home record this year

You mean Cougars?

 

[GoChips20]

I don’t often buy into the allegations of bias or favoritism in WBB, but I do have to say that some of the West Coast players seem to be (rather inexplicably) left out of the conversation for major awards.

I’m not saying that I’d cast my vote for Cameron Brink as NPOY, but her numbers are terrific and she’s made an incredible sophomore leap. If we’re going to talk about the best player on good teams (Boston, Clark**, N. Smith), than I’m not sure why anyone would leave Stanford out of that conversation. It’s true that it’s a deep and talented team without a clear-cut star, but it seems like there’s some well-deserved recognition getting lost between time zones.

For what it’s worth, I’d also include Haley Jones (despite poor FG% this year she’s still incredibly impactful to team success), Te-Hina Paopao, and Cate Reese in this group of players we aren’t hearing enough about this year.

**Not sure I would label Iowa as a good team, but you know what I mean.

 

[visitingcock]

I don’t often buy into the allegations of bias or favoritism in WBB, but I do have to say that some of the West Coast players seem to be (rather inexplicably) left out of the conversation for major awards.

I’m not saying that I’d cast my vote for Cameron Brink as NPOY, but her numbers are terrific and she’s made an incredible sophomore leap. If we’re going to talk about the best player on good teams (Boston, Clark**, N. Smith), than I’m not sure why anyone would leave Stanford out of that conversation. It’s true that it’s a deep and talented team without a clear-cut star, but it seems like there’s some well-deserved recognition getting lost between time zones.

For what it’s worth, I’d also include Haley Jones (despite poor FG% this year she’s still incredibly impactful to team success), Te-Hina Paopao, and Cate Reese in this group of players we aren’t hearing enough about this year.

**Not sure I would label Iowa as a good team, but you know what I mean.

She tends to disappear in Big games:

Date	Opponent	PTS	MIN	FGM-FGA	3PM-3PA	FTM-FTA	REB	AST	BLK	STL	TO	PF
11/11/21	Morgan St.	10	17	4-6	0-0	2-3	5	0	3	1	0	0
11/14/21	Texas	7	21	2-3	0-1	3-6	5	0	3	1	2	2
11/16/21	Portland	21	20	7-10	0-0	7-11	1	1	1	2	2	4
11/21/21	Gonzaga	12	19	6-8	0-0	0-2	6	0	0	0	2	4
11/25/21	Indiana	21	33	10-24	0-1	1-6	22	5	5	0	5	2
11/26/21	South Fla.	23	35	10-17	0-1	3-8	11	2	4	0	3	4
11/27/21	Maryland	8	9	3-3	0-0	2-2	4	0	1	0	0	1
12/12/21	Pacific	25	23	12-16	0-0	1-3	11	3	4	0	1	1
12/15/21	UC Davis	11	22	5-12	0-0	1-4	10	0	1	1	1	3
12/18/21	Tennessee	4	8	1-3	0-0	2-2	2	0	0	0	1	5
12/21/21	South Carolina	3	17	1-7	0-0	1-1	4	2	2	1	1	3
01/07/22	Oregon	5	27	2-5	0-0	1-3	6	2	5	3	2	4
01/09/22	Gonzaga	14	24	5-11	0-0	4-4	16	1	5	0	2	1
01/14/22	Colorado	10	24	4-10	0-1	2-2	7	2	2	0	1	1
01/16/22	Utah	24	25	9-12	0-0	6-9	11	1	1	0	1	4
01/21/22	California	12	15	4-8	0-0	4-5	5	1	0	1	2	3
01/28/22	Arizona St.	11	16	4-6	0-1	3-3	7	1	1	0	0	3
01/30/22	Arizona	25	32	10-12	1-1	4-5	15	2	3	2	2	3
02/03/22	UCLA	17	23	7-10	1-2	2-4	8	1	2	1	1	3
02/06/22	Southern California	26	27	10-18	1-5	5-8	14	3	3	1	2	2
02/09/22	Oregon St.	12	18	4-6	0-0	4-4	2	3	1	0	1	3
02/11/22	Utah	10	22	5-7	0-1	0-2	7	0	6	2	3	3
02/13/22	Colorado	11	28	4-10	0-0	3-4	11	0	1	0	2	4

 

[TheFarmFan]

Well Brink carried us on her back in matchups against top ten teams Indiana and Arizona, so I'd say it depends on the opponent. She was not much of a factor on our SEC swing through Tenn and South Carolina, but (a) that was a while ago and (b) both she and Key were pretty absurdly fouled out of the game, so they kind of negated each other.

 

[azfan]

Az St Wash St is at Wash St otherwise that would be a fairly good chance of a win. I’d still favor Az St in Pullman but the Huskies have a great home record this year

The Cougs do have a really solid home record in conference only losing to the top three at home. That's going to be I think the toughest game on the road trip for sure and maybe the toughest game remaining on the schedule for the Sun d
Devils. The Bruins will be tough but given their lack of availability of a bench as well as having the game in Tempe make it a little more winnable.

So assuming the Sun Devils don't look past the Bears on Wednesday that Friday game is going to be critical for both teams.

 

[azfan]

This Week in WSU Women's Hoops: bracket bubbles, critical games and Senior Day

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Great article on the Cougars. Some of the takeaways:

• The Cougars are 9-2 at home this season and have won 11 of their last 13 games at Beasley Coliseum dating back to last season.
• The Cougars will close the regular season on the road at Stanford (Feb. 24) and Cal (Feb. 26). The Pac-12 Tournament runs from March 2-6 in Las Vegas.
• The Leger-Walkers rank first and second in the Pac-12 in minutes played. Charlisse is averaging 36 per outing and Krystal 35.56.
• Ula Motgua has the highest 3-point-shooting percentage in the league at 47.8 percent.

ASU is one of just three teams WSU coach Kamie Ethridge hasn't beaten since coming to WSU in 2018. ASU holds an 11-game win streak against the Cougars. There's a likelihood the streak ends on Friday although I have my fingers crossed that CTT comes up with an approach to neutralize the sisters.

 

[Plebe]

I'm somewhat amazed that the Pac-12 has only 3 teams who are locks for the NCAA tournament. After that there's a veritable morass of 6 teams on or near the bubble.

Oregon definitely "took one [or two] for the team" by losing to Arizona State and Oregon State, possibly moving the Devils and the Ducks to the top of the bubble pile. ASU, in particular, vaulted from highly unlikely to make the tournament to possible/probable with its wins over Oregon and Arizona (and came dangerously close to completing the Territorial Cup sweep in Tucson).

After ASU and OSU, there are 4 bubble teams whose best wins have come against ... other bubble teams.

Creme has Utah as an 8 seed, but other than an inexplicably high NET ranking in the low 20s, I see scant resume support for a seeding that high. Their best wins are over fellow Pac-12 bubble teams Colorado, ASU and WSU.

Colorado, after earning notoriety as the last undefeated team in D-1 thanks to a soft and home-heavy nonconference schedule, has similarly done nothing special except beat fellow-bubblers Utah, Marquette and UCLA.

Washington State has wins over bubble teams Gonzaga, Colorado, Oregon State and UCLA.

Even UCLA, which has looked fairly train-wreckish for most of the season, has appeared among Creme's first teams out, despite having only one win over a bubble team (Washington State) ... and that's pretty much it.

There's a strong likelihood that one or two of these teams will get in as a direct result of the expansion from 64 to 68 teams. (The four teams that would've been the "first four out" will now be the "last four in".)

 

[cancontent]

I'm somewhat amazed that the Pac-12 has only 3 teams who are locks for the NCAA tournament. After that there's a veritable morass of 6 teams on or near the bubble.

Oregon definitely "took one [or two] for the team" by losing to Arizona State and Oregon State, possibly moving the Devils and the Ducks to the top of the bubble pile. ASU, in particular, vaulted from highly unlikely to make the tournament to possible/probable with its wins over Oregon and Arizona (and came dangerously close to completing the Territorial Cup sweep in Tucson).

After ASU and OSU, there are 4 bubble teams whose best wins have come against ... other bubble teams.

Creme has Utah as an 8 seed, but other than an inexplicably high NET ranking in the low 20s, I see scant resume support for a seeding that high. Their best wins are over fellow Pac-12 bubble teams Colorado, ASU and WSU.

Colorado, after earning notoriety as the last undefeated team in D-1 thanks to a soft and home-heavy nonconference schedule, has similarly done nothing special except beat fellow-bubblers Utah, Marquette and UCLA.

Washington State has wins over bubble teams Gonzaga, Colorado, Oregon State and UCLA.

Even UCLA, which has looked fairly train-wreckish for most of the season, has appeared among Creme's first teams out, despite having only one win over a bubble team (Washington State) ... and that's pretty much it.

There's a strong likelihood that one or two of these teams will get in thanks to the expansion from 64 to 68 teams.

This is like the second year in a row where their season has been a struggle. Hoping their luck will change soon, especially with respect the injuries they've had to endure.

 

[Lorcan]

I’m surprised that ASU-Cal today was cancelled. No reason provided.

 

[Plebe]

I’m surprised that ASU-Cal today was cancelled. No reason provided.

I'm seeing that Cal is instead playing Cal State Los Angeles (a D-II school) today. This would suggest it was some issue on ASU's end. Weird that they're giving no reason.

 

[Basket]

You mean Cougars?

Nope I think Az is more active and playing better ball right now. I pull for the Cougs but in their recent wins they’ve played down to the competition. Cougs don’t look impressive but glad to see them at least win ugly

 

[azfan]

I'm seeing that Cal is instead playing Cal State Los Angeles (a D-II school) today. This would suggest it was some issue on ASU's end. Weird that they're giving no reason.

In the post game show after the second U of A game CTT reiterated the challenge of playing four straight road games nine days which I believe is only happened a handful of times. I'm wondering if while it might have been a mutual consent thing it was prompted by ASU.

 

[azfan]

Nope I think Az is more active and playing better ball right now. I pull for the Cougs but in their recent wins they’ve played down to the competition. Cougs don’t look impressive but glad to see them at least win ugly

Fingers crossed that they lose ugly this Friday against the Sun Devils.

 

[PAC-12HoopFan]

I'm somewhat amazed that the Pac-12 has only 3 teams who are locks for the NCAA tournament. After that there's a veritable morass of 6 teams on or near the bubble.

Oregon definitely "took one [or two] for the team" by losing to Arizona State and Oregon State, possibly moving the Devils and the Ducks to the top of the bubble pile. ASU, in particular, vaulted from highly unlikely to make the tournament to possible/probable with its wins over Oregon and Arizona (and came dangerously close to completing the Territorial Cup sweep in Tucson).

Plebe,

Please tell me that you didn't refer to the Oregon State squad as the Ducks above? Those are fighting words in and around the Willamette Valley.

 

[LoTrader]

I'm somewhat amazed that the Pac-12 has only 3 teams who are locks for the NCAA tournament. After that there's a veritable morass of 6 teams on or near the bubble.

Oregon definitely "took one [or two] for the team" by losing to Arizona State and Oregon State, possibly moving the Devils and the Ducks to the top of the bubble pile. ASU, in particular, vaulted from highly unlikely to make the tournament to possible/probable with its wins over Oregon and Arizona (and came dangerously close to completing the Territorial Cup sweep in Tucson).

After ASU and OSU, there are 4 bubble teams whose best wins have come against ... other bubble teams.

Creme has Utah as an 8 seed, but other than an inexplicably high NET ranking in the low 20s, I see scant resume support for a seeding that high. Their best wins are over fellow Pac-12 bubble teams Colorado, ASU and WSU.

Colorado, after earning notoriety as the last undefeated team in D-1 thanks to a soft and home-heavy nonconference schedule, has similarly done nothing special except beat fellow-bubblers Utah, Marquette and UCLA.

Washington State has wins over bubble teams Gonzaga, Colorado, Oregon State and UCLA.

Even UCLA, which has looked fairly train-wreckish for most of the season, has appeared among Creme's first teams out, despite having only one win over a bubble team (Washington State) ... and that's pretty much it.

There's a strong likelihood that one or two of these teams will get in as a direct result of the expansion from 64 to 68 teams. (The four teams that would've been the "first four out" will now be the "last four in".)

I'll give my 2 cents on Oregon State after this weekend. I'll be at both the Stanford and Cal games. OSU made a very important change in their lineup vs UO last weekend, playing 6' Emily Codding at PG. This took Talia vO from PG responsibilities and has freed her up to score/rebound/defend at a very high level. OSU looked so much more fluid on offense as a result. We'll see how it all works out this weekend.

 

[DefenseBB]

This Week in WSU Women's Hoops: bracket bubbles, critical games and Senior Day

247sports.com

Great article on the Cougars. Some of the takeaways:

• The Cougars are 9-2 at home this season and have won 11 of their last 13 games at Beasley Coliseum dating back to last season.
• The Cougars will close the regular season on the road at Stanford (Feb. 24) and Cal (Feb. 26). The Pac-12 Tournament runs from March 2-6 in Las Vegas.
• The Leger-Walkers rank first and second in the Pac-12 in minutes played. Charlisse is averaging 36 per outing and Krystal 35.56.
• Ula Motgua has the highest 3-point-shooting percentage in the league at 47.8 percent.

ASU is one of just three teams WSU coach Kamie Ethridge hasn't beaten since coming to WSU in 2018. ASU holds an 11-game win streak against the Cougars. There's a likelihood the streak ends on Friday although I have my fingers crossed that CTT comes up with an approach to neutralize the sisters.

I was down on ASU for much of the season but CTT has them playing much better and I have them as favorites this weekend over both Wash schools. I simply am not sold on WSU at all and will watch both their games this weekend to see if I can muster any support for the Cougs (doubt it). I am slowly coming around on ASU and Utah. My guess is Stanford is a lock for Reg and Tourny titles, AZ and UO will battle for 2nd and both host opening rounds. Utah is in, ASU is a bubble team as is OSU others are outside looking in. Too many injuries or a soft schedule doom the remaining lot.

 

[Plebe]

Plebe,

Please tell me that you didn't refer to the Oregon State squad as the Ducks above? Those are fighting words in and around the Willamette Valley.

LOL. Ducks, beavers, walruses ... all those water-oriented mascots all get jumbled in my head. Didn't have my coffee in me this morning!

My apologies.

 

[jchusky]

Pac 12 will be the best conference in wbb next season, Arz, Stanford, and Oregon aren't going anywhere. We wil see the dominance of Ucla with their starstudded recruiting class with Kiki Rice dominating. I expect Usc to also be a much better team.

 

[HuskyMJ]

Pac 12 will be the best conference in wbb next season, Arz, Stanford, and Oregon aren't going anywhere. We wil see the dominance of Ucla with their starstudded recruiting class with Kiki Rice dominating. I expect Usc to also be a much better team.

When was the last time UCLA dominated the Pac 12? Where are the recent banners? We've seen freshmen #1 class at UCLA before so that's the difference between the people who know to wait and see and others who just think the #1 ranking means they are headed for the promise land.

 

[Figurehead]

I'll give my 2 cents on Oregon State after this weekend. I'll be at both the Stanford and Cal games. OSU made a very important change in their lineup vs UO last weekend, playing 6' Emily Codding at PG. This took Talia vO from PG responsibilities and has freed her up to score/rebound/defend at a very high level. OSU looked so much more fluid on offense as a result. We'll see how it all works out this weekend.

okay

 

[mudcat]

Pac 12 will be the best conference in wbb next season, Arz, Stanford, and Oregon aren't going anywhere. We wil see the dominance of Ucla with their starstudded recruiting class with Kiki Rice dominating. I expect Usc to also be a much better team.

ESPN has the Pac-12 with four of the top 5 recruiting classes for 2022. It will be interesting seeing how that affects the rankings in 2023-24.

 

[Figurehead]

Sounds like there is some chicken ( stuff) dealings that have been going on in the pac-12 this year in womens basketball. Now another team had just made that list. I would hand out the forfeit out .

Graves was careful to comment on it and it thankfully it does not effect Oregon. See 6:50 mark in video below.

WATCH: Kelly Graves pleased with team's effort in 'really good win' over UCLA

WATCH: Kelly Graves pleased with team's effort in "really good win" over UCLA

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