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LoTrader said:
After watching Arizona get waxed by USC Trojans, there is no question that UO is 2nd best team (at this moment) in PAC-12. Amazing that Colorado is the only undefeated team in the county! Congrats to Colorado.
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When did this happen? Just now reading about it.
 
USC-AZ was a fun watch. Road games are an adventure for everybody in the PAC-12. The difference in the end was that Miura
went 5-6 from 3, including 3 of those in the last few minutes. Undefeated CO hosts Stanford next game.
 
KnightBridgeAZ said:
I wondered if the fact that Shaina Pellington was missing was a factor (I didn't see the game, but did glance at a box score). That's 2 games in a row. I don't think Ware played either? The paper said she was day to day recovering from her injury, Pellington's issue isn't disclosed but I assume it could be Covid. Adia and most of her family had it, among others.

Arizona is not a "powerhouse". They typically play pretty good defense, compete hard and - yes - certainly have some talent. They were never going to go undefeated, but this isn't the loss I would have predicted.
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Agreed - I never really bought them as one of the top 4 teams in the country but I think right now they really miss Pellington and Ware. Struggled against WSU too
 
TheFarmFan said:
In fairness to Arizona, they just rescheduled that game on Wednesday and hit the road after a Friday evening home game against WSU, and it's their second game in almost 4 weeks. U$C has a ton of talent if they can ever get healthy and organized (which they finally seem to be doing), and the Sun Devils were within one possession until the last 2 minutes of the game. This is not, in my mind, as bad a loss as it looks on paper. That said, I was really giving Arizona the benefit of the doubt despite some skepticism, and they're not getting it anymore going forward...
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Wildcats.
 
TheFarmFan said:
In fairness to Arizona, they just rescheduled that game on Wednesday and hit the road after a Friday evening home game against WSU, and it's their second game in almost 4 weeks. U$C has a ton of talent if they can ever get healthy and organized (which they finally seem to be doing), and the Sun Devils were within one possession until the last 2 minutes of the game. This is not, in my mind, as bad a loss as it looks on paper. That said, I was really giving Arizona the benefit of the doubt despite some skepticism, and they're not getting it anymore going forward...
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In fairness "both" teams just rescheduled that game on Wednesday and I would guess "both" teams hit the road after Fridays game, to travel. USC played at undefeated Colorado on Friday. I too think it was not a bad loss for U of A.
 
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AP Rankings are goofy when it comes to the PAC-12. AZ (ranked #7) loses to USC, and CO (ranked #22) is undefeated and beat USC same weekend. The big miss is that UO didn't get any AP points in the last poll? If UO wins their next 3 games (ASU, UA, UCONN), then they should be ranked in the TOP 15.
 
ASU will not be playing the Oregon and OSU games this week after all. COVID protocols. At this point AZ is still coming.
 
Floridaduck said:
ASU will not be playing the Oregon and OSU games this week after all. COVID protocols. At this point AZ is still coming.
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That's 3 (winnable imo) home games Oregon has had cancelled due to COVID, all of them due to issues within the visiting programs. Fate has certainly not been on our side this season.
 
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Looking at the ASU schedule it only list the Oregon game as postponed. At OSU on Sunday is still on. Fingers crossed.
 
LoTrader said:
AP Rankings are goofy when it comes to the PAC-12. AZ (ranked #7) loses to USC, and CO (ranked #22) is undefeated and beat USC same weekend. The big miss is that UO didn't get any AP points in the last poll? If UO wins their next 3 games (ASU, UA, UCONN), then they should be ranked in the TOP 15.
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Unfortunately, I don't think you can expect AP voters to have actually seen any games, which means the "eye test" that you and I (and most fans) reasonably use is non-existent for them. So no the AP voters have no direct idea if Oregon looks good or not - all they know is the have 5 losses, no good wins, and lost to Stanford by 12.

Otherwise, on paper, Arizona still has the more impressive win (vs. NET #5 Louisville), while Colorado has one quadrant one win altogether, and only two quadrant one and two wins vs. Arizona's four. Throw in Arizona's short-notice rescheduling and being down to key players, and I don't actually think the disparity is unreasonable - I just probably would rank Arizona a bit lower than they are (and probably Colorado too - both teams have appallingly weak resumes to claim undefeated status into the new year).

One other thing: I do think AP voters rank a bit based on the coach, and I do think Barnes gets a bit more benefit of the doubt as a result of last season. Maybe that's fair, maybe it's not, but on a neutral floor I'll take a Geno/Kim/Tara/Barnes-led team over an Ivey/Lawson/Payne-led team that hasn't been had their coach lead their team deep into the post season. That's not to say those coaches won't one day do so successfully, but they haven't, yet. We know Barnes can take it to UConn in a final four game; I have absolutely no idea how those untested coaches would handle it.
 
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Great game last night between Arizona and OSU. Arizona pulled it out on the last shot, but based on the last few game they do seem like a team that is going to pick up several more losses in what is left of conference play.
 
Oregon comes back from a 17 point deficit in the third Q to win in overtime. Paopao, Sabally and Prince led the charge. Rogers hit the winner on a put back with 0.5 on the clock.
 
Barnes was F-bombing Graves at the end of the game; anyone know why? I don't recall him saying/doing anything in the opposite direction.
 
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jonson said:
Barnes was F-bombing Graves at the end of the game; anyone know why? I don't recall him saying/doing anything in the opposite direction.
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I didn’t see the game but see it blowing up on Twitter. What happened? Oregon fans are saying she allegedly gave the Oregon coaches and bench the middle finger
 
If her actions were on the approved list of things to be offended by, she would be in danger of losing her job. No Repercussions is also a finger in the face of the former values and sense of propriety by which most people used of function.
 
SECbbfan24 said:
I didn’t see the game but see it blowing up on Twitter. What happened? Oregon fans are saying she allegedly gave the Oregon coaches and bench the middle finger
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Post game Barnes focused on what she called very uneven officiating as opposed to the complete collapse of her offense in the fourth quarter. Her view was that due to extremely one-sided officiating her team was in such foul trouble they lost their aggressiveness. I'm not sure how that explains the offensive collapse but Barnes was very willing to unload on what she thought was being homered.

I think this is reflective of her youth and lack of maturity. Clearly In the heat of the moment emotions run high. She would have been better served to have taken a moment or two to collect herself. Her post game reaction certainly lead one to .......pity the kitty.
 
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azfan said:
Post game Barnes focused on what she called very uneven officiating as opposed to the complete collapse of her offense in the fourth quarter. Her view was that due to extremely one-sided officiating her team was in such foul trouble they lost their aggressiveness. I'm not sure how that explains the offensive collapse but Barnes was very willing to unload on what she thought was being homered.

I think this is reflective of her youth and lack of maturity. Clearly In the heat of the moment emotions run high. She would have been better served to have taken a moment or two to collect herself. Her post game reaction certainly lead one to .......pity the kitty.
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A coach blaming the officials in the major conferences is usually a big penalty. You might send a message to the conference office, but not say it at a press conference.
 
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I'll go with Steve Tannen's reply to this Barnes post (just right imo) and the radio announcers' stunned response to what she said at the end of the game (all 3 are persons of integrity). As for Barnes, I do kind of admire how she can go from a less than heartfelt apology ("my emotions got the better of me," "out of character") in another post to "I'm not that woman!" in this one, which at least has honesty going for it.
 
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jonson said:
I'll go with Steve Tannen's reply to this Barnes post (just right imo) and the radio announcers' stunned response to what she said at the end of the game (all 3 are persons of integrity). As for Barnes, I do kind of admire how she can go from a less than heartfelt apology ("my emotions got the better of me," "out of character") in another post to "I'm not that woman!" in this one, which at least has honesty going for it.
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I agree with Tannen’s post. I’ve played golf several times with Kelly Graves and have never heard him swear, and, if I played golf like Kelly does I would be be swearing a lot on the course.
 
So one coach has a reputation with F bombs and aggressive behavior at Arizona while another coach has been a head coach since 1997 at St Marys, Gonzaga and Oregon (25 years head coaching) we have never heard any other incidents over those years so he transformed overnight into another person?????? So it is not surprising 18 to 22 year olds pick up what is acceptable from their coaches and even emulate them.

So I ask you this. If this tweet below was remote;y true wouldn't the refs, scorer table personnel and athletic department officials heard the same thing over what is stated the ENTIRE game. You could hear a pin drop at times because Oregon was getting their butt kicked and people would have heard something.

It was so loud at times in the fourth you could not hear what the people were saying in front of you and we were 40 rows up.

So this is just odd in nature. I am sure people will be interviewed on all sides because the truth will come out. Better have credible evidence to make claims of that manner. I have an opinion I will with hold at this point.

I don't get giving the middle finger to 8 thousand fans got someone anywhere. Where Barnes is losing it is in the social media world dueling with fans? What is the point. Surely ex-Oregon AD now Arizona AD Dave Heeke will deal with it. He knows Graves well before he left for Arizona and work for AD Mullens. I feel bad for him.




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SECbbfan24 said:
I didn’t see the game but see it blowing up on Twitter. What happened? Oregon fans are saying she allegedly gave the Oregon coaches and bench the middle finger
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I think it was flipping off the 8 thousand fans with the middle finger was what the blow up was about from a fans perspective. If it was an f bomb or two then meh.....She then waved to the crowd and walk off the court. People were talking about it on the way out of the arena. With cell phones someone must have a copy of it.
 
Figurehead said:
So one coach has a reputation with F bombs and aggressive behavior at Arizona while another coach has been a head coach since 1997 at St Marys, Gonzaga and Oregon (25 years head coaching) we have never heard any other incidents over those years so he transformed overnight into another person?????? So it is not surprising 18 to 22 year olds pick up what is acceptable from their coaches and even emulate them.

So I ask you this. If this tweet below was remote;y true wouldn't the refs, scorer table personnel and athletic department officials heard the same thing over what is stated the ENTIRE game. You could hear a pin drop at times because Oregon was getting their butt kicked and people would have heard something.

It was so loud at times in the fourth you could not hear what the people were saying in front of you and we were 40 rows up.

So this is just odd in nature. I am sure people will be interviewed on all sides because the truth will come out. Better have credible evidence to make claims of that manner. I have an opinion I will with hold at this point.

I don't get giving the middle finger to 8 thousand fans got someone anywhere. Where Barnes is losing it is in the social media world dueling with fans? What is the point. Surely ex-Oregon AD now Arizona AD Dave Heeke will deal with it. He knows Graves well before he left for Arizona and work for AD Mullens. I feel bad for him.




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Heeke left Oregon well before either Graves or Mullens got there. Still, as current PAC 12 ADs, they know each other well and have a good working relationship. If there is anything that needs to be investigated they will work together to get it done.
 
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