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DefenseBB said:
I am an analytics acolyte and my point is maybe the people whose actual job it is to vote on such rankings, should also use analytics to rationalize their voting instead of what I view is sheer laziness.

The other frustrating aspects are some of the other narratives around injuries that teams are now touting. These fall into 2 categories:
1. Season ending injuries where said team will not have those players services to "create upside". Think Paige, Madison Greene from tOSU, Soares from ISU as these examples so the team ranking assessment has to be constituted "as is".
2. In-season injuries where a player is out but is expected back. Grace Berger who missed time, Jayce Sheldon who continues to miss games for tOSU but is expected back and Azzi Fudd/Dorka Juhasz who both missed 6+ games during which UConn lost 2 of them. These types of injuries can and should have the "yeah but" notation assigned to them when assessing a team's relative strength. I think the voters applied Charisma Osborne's being out of the Oregon State game to excuse that loss but have not necessarily done that with our team.

They also do not consider the schedule a team has played. I am happy that LSU is doing well (especially happy for our @SECbbfan24 ) but to think they are the #5 team in the country by playing the WORST P5 schedule who have played a grand total of 2 Quadrant 1 games all the while playing a schedule ranked 200 in RPI is absurd. Any Creme or sanctioned NCAAT bracket that has them as 3 (9-12 overall ranking) or better bracket seed only feeds into the nonsense of allowing Kim to play cupcakes.

ESPN should do an analysis of the voting by each member to show the bias and laziness. That would be worthwhile to discuss and shame the voters into more responsible efforts.

Ok, rant over, back to our skewed perspectives.
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How do we account for Oregon State without their top 2022-23 recruit (not named Raegan Beers) unavailable since the beginning of the season? You cannot. Maybe OSU would have won a few more significant games this season? Impossible to put a "yeah but" on a result given all the injuries that happen during the course of a season.
 
it is annoying, if not frustrating, that almost every time I read comments reviewing the UCLA loss to Oregon State at Oregon State, the author not so subtly suggests or implies that if not for UCLA being without Charisma Osborne, the result would have been quite different.
In other words, OSU was very fortunate Charisma did not play and her absence was a key or even the major factor explaining the outcome. End result: the stature and importance of OSU's win over UCLA is significantly diminished in size, scope, and meaning. Yet, the authors always fail to mention how OSU was also missing a key player, ie. missing the great skill and contributions of the highest ranked recruit in the entire history of its women's basketball program. Yes, Osborne is obviously the more experienced, proven commodity but I find it hard to believe that a player with the resume of a Timea Gardiner would not have been a factor in game. And since speculation on both sides is part of the story, maybe Osborne is fully healthy and plays but has a bad day? Would an OSU upset win over UCLA be diminished in this case as well?
 
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newfrontier said:
it is annoying, if not frustrating, that almost every time I read comments reviewing the UCLA loss to Oregon State at Oregon State, the author not so subtly suggests or implies that if not for UCLA being without Charisma Osborne, the result would have been quite different.
In other words, OSU was very fortunate Charisma did not play and her absence was a key or even the major factor explaining the outcome. End result: the stature and importance of OSU's win over UCLA is significantly diminished in size, scope, and meaning. Yet, the authors always fail to mention how OSU was also missing a key player, ie. missing the great skill and contributions of the highest ranked recruit in the entire history of its women's basketball program. Yes, Osborne is obviously the more experienced, proven commodity but I find it hard to believe that a player with the resume of a Timea Gardiner would not have been a factor in game. And since speculation on both sides is part of the story, maybe Osborne is fully healthy and plays but has a bad day? Would an OSU upset win over UCLA be diminished in this case as well?
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I'm not one of those who thinks that was the case. Oregon State winning over UCLA was impressive regardless. UCLA's roster even without her is a good one. Oregon State have players who are making solid contributions this year and deserve credit for that win.
 
@newfrontier I was focused more on people saying UCLA is over-ranked when they just have two loses, one to South Carolina. It looks like Timea hasn't played in any games and is still injured? I can't seem to find any recent news and don't see her in the season stats. UCLA is a dangerous team even when shorthanded, so it was an impressive win by Oregon State. As I said in another post, the Oregon roadtrip always makes me nervous.

NCAA selection committee allows injuries to be taken into account when ranking and seeding teams. Saying that UCLA shouldn't be penalized for a loss that one of their starters missed part of the game doesn't take away from Oregon State's win.

I have a ton of respect for what Scott has done with Oregon State. He took a program that was in bad shape and quickly made them relevant again. I was at the 2016 Final Four and was rooting for the two teams wearing Orange. I've been to two women's games at Gill. I still remember the 2007 game where Wiggins didn't dress to rest a sore ankle but got dressed during halftime and had to play ~8 minutes in the second half for Stanford to win. She only scored 3 points, but it was with Stanford only up 50-46 and sparked a 10-3 run by Stanford.

I'm hopeful that Timea gets to play soon and puts together impressive enough stats that if Oregon State is still on bubble on Selection Sunday, they take her injury into account and give them a bid. Hypotheticals don't count until players are back and playing.
 
The Oregonian: "Oregon Ducks forward Grace VanSlooten attended Wednesday’s practice, but did not participate according to coach Kelly Graves, and the status of the Ducks’ leading scorer for this weekend’s games against Washington and Washington State is questionable."

Injuries to one or both feet in the Arizona game but attended the practice and was walking without a boot this week.
 
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This article says Charisma Osborne was wearing a shoulder brace during the USC game and is only at 65 to 70 pct. I’m pretty sure she’ll perform pretty much at 100pct tonight against Stanford.

dailybruin.com

UCLA women's basketball braces for underdog matchup against Stanford - Daily Bruin

Riding the emotional high from the comeback win against their crosstown rivals, the Bruins will welcome the Pac-12’s flagship program for a top-eight matchup in Westwood.
dailybruin.com dailybruin.com
 
LoTrader said:
Timea Gardiner is suiting up for her first OSU WBB Game tonight! GO BEAVS!
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I see that ome of your fans are expecting a very high point production from her this weekend if she does play. Give us a report on how good she is because I am hearing nothing but high expectations from my other co-workers aligned with the program. I hope for you that rings true.
 
Colorado has played Stanford tough since the 2019 season. They beat Stanford once and taken Stanford to OT twice. Their coach beat Stanford when she was the Santa Clara coach.

Should Colorado be ranked after beating the #8/#8 and #14/#10 ranked teams?
 
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Figurehead said:
I see that ome of your fans are expecting a very high point production from her this weekend if she does play. Give us a report on how good she is because I am hearing nothing but high expectations from my other co-workers aligned with the program. I hope for you that rings true.
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Timea had 9 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists in 19 minutes. With Leger-Walker back WSU is tough opponent and WSU wins.

Washington was only down 3 with 1 minute left, but Oregon pulls away and wins.
Washington is playing well for a team that is 9 and 6.
 
Oregon, Colorado, and USC win at home. Stanford and WSU win their road games. Washington needs a couple more pieces but their coach (Tina Langley in her second year) is making the most of what they do have. Oregon out of sync but credit to UW game plan.

WSU over OSU surprised me a bit. Hope the Ducks are ready Sunday. Colorado over Arizona not a surprise. And I think Utah will complete the bad weekend for the ‘Cats. Tough trip.
 
My dad was following the play by play of the Stanford-UCLA game and keeping me up to date. Brink had a swat every 30 seconds or minute or so in the 4th quarter. 6 of her 7 blocks (career high for her I think?) were in the final frame. UCLA went most of the quarter without scoring. It was at least a 13-0 run to begin the quarter.
 
dabears17 said:
Timea had 9 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists in 19 minutes. With Leger-Walker back WSU is tough opponent and WSU wins.

Washington was only down 3 with 1 minute left, but Oregon pulls away and wins.
Washington is playing well for a team that is 9 and 6.
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I think Oregon really got away with one tonight. Rogers had one of her worst games of the year, and I guess Paopao was mostly ok, but Hanson was money off the bench and VanSlooten manged 13 and 7 while dealing with ankle issues. If the team doesn't play much better Sunday WSU will leave with a sweep of the Oregon schools.
 
nwhoopfan said:
My dad was following the play by play of the Stanford-UCLA game and keeping me up to date. Brink had a swat every 30 seconds or minute or so in the 4th quarter. 6 of her 7 blocks (career high for her I think?) were in the final frame. UCLA went most of the quarter without scoring. It was at least a 13-0 run to begin the quarter.
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Yes, it was really impressive. Stanford is night and day without or with Brink on the court.
 
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jonson said:
I think Oregon really got away with one tonight. Rogers had one of her worst games of the year, and I guess Paopao was mostly ok, but Hanson was money off the bench and VanSlooten manged 13 and 7 while dealing with ankle issues. If the team doesn't play much better Sunday WSU will leave with a sweep of the Oregon schools.
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Fortunately you were playing the Huskies, who can't hit a 3 if their lives depend on it. Hitting 22% as a team this season. That defies belief. 2-15 tonight wasn't really an anomaly, that's just a normal game for them.
 
dabears17 said:
Timea had 9 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists in 19 minutes. With Leger-Walker back WSU is tough opponent and WSU wins.

Washington was only down 3 with 1 minute left, but Oregon pulls away and wins.
Washington is playing well for a team that is 9 and 6.
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And I kept hearing Timea was going to score in the 20's and become a team savior. Why set up a player like that? Give her some time to develop.
 
nwhoopfan said:
I definitely saw that in the South Carolina and Tennessee games. No offense to Jones (or anyone else), but I think Brink is their most important player and it's not even remotely close.
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Jones stood around a lot in the corner during the first half. I think not having the ball in her hand as much has impacted her game. She was much better in the second half. Pretty certain the coach had a few words for her at the half.
 
dabears17 said:
Colorado has played Stanford tough since the 2019 season. They beat Stanford once and taken Stanford to OT twice. Their coach beat Stanford when she was the Santa Clara coach.

Should Colorado be ranked after beating the #8/#8 and #14/#10 ranked teams?
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I thought Colorado looked solid, not flashy. First time I've seen them. I feel like Arizona always struggles on the Mountain trip.

I will say I think they should be considered for ranking. Its all about what everyone else does to whether they should get in in the end to me.

On a separate note, I saw a number of Arizona fans on Facebook talking up how well Arizona played. I thought they played bad basketball. I was not impressed with that performance. I thought it was poor shooting, among other things.
 
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Figurehead said:
And I kept hearing Timea was going to score in the 20's and become a team savior. Why set up a player like that? Give her some time to develop.
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Interesting comment from someone who anointed Prince a top four Pac-12 player before she ever played a collegiate game.
 
DaBball said:
Interesting comment from someone who anointed Prince a top four Pac-12 player before she ever played a collegiate game.
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That is a pure fabricated lie on your part. Never saw a single Oregon fan here that was impressed with her play so show us who saifd that. In fact I am sure the other Oregon fans here would say I was the first to trash her play every week harder than anyone else and thought her whole tic-tock charade was also fraud too.

Your the one that I believe that said Rueck is still the next best coach in Pac-12 behind Tara. You know thart is not true at this point in time.
Why would you say that?
 
Figurehead said:
That is a pure fabricated lie on your part. Never saw a single Oregon fan here that was impressed with her play so show us who saifd that. In fact I am sure the other Oregon fans here would say I was the first to trash her play every week harder than anyone else and thought her whole tic-tock charade was also fraud too.

Your the one that I believe that said Rueck is still the next best coach in Pac-12 behind Tara. You know thart is not true at this point in time.
Why would you say that?
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You literally said it. Is it still a “pure fabricated lie”?
 
I didn't remember who said what, but I know at least one Oregon fan was hyping Prince very hard after 1 or 2 games of her first year playing for the Ducks on this board.
 
DaBball said:
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You literally said it. Is it still a “pure fabricated lie”?
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Yeah, I am also not the top ten praisers of Kelly Graves either. I literally took that from Kelly's pre-season presser on Prince and it mase me groan at the time. (Someone could probably find his video on his praises) Also just as a note I dont call Pao Pao a "star" like Kelly or the radio guy does constantly or the the best player out of La Jolla Counntry Day like he refers to her as. So yeah I should have linked Kellys constant praise of Prince in post game after post game in the reference with thick sarcasm noted. WNBA material, I think Prince not and that was his last comment about her. I have allways said everyone is better without her distractions.
 
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