Pac 12 Conference Outlook

[nwhoopfan]

The worst shooting team in the world was at it again. Washington St. beat Washington 66-52. Cougs outshot the Dawgs 53% to 33%. UW 3-17 behind the arc. Par for the course for them this season. They couldn't hit water falling out of a boat.

The race for the cellar is on. UW in their now familiar position being one of them. ASU, WSU and Cal all probably in contention as well.

 

[DefenseBB]

Another big double double for Beers today. Is the national media talking about her at all? Definitely one of the most productive freshmen in the country. Beavs get a win at Tempe, something that's been hard for them to come by for years. Of course ASU is probably the worst team in the conference. CTT bailed out just in time.

What kind of recognition do you want? She's on a mediocre team and while her stats are good, the are not eye popping like Ta'Niya Latson at FSU and frankly, let's see how she fares against Lauren Betts in the garbage time against Stanford.

I like her but she's limited in minutes and I need to see her against top quality teams, plus my snark side wonders will she transfer after this year?

I also don't think ASU is in contention as they will beat UW and Cal. I do think the cellar is probably all yours....Rooting for the Husky's but just don't see any thing there....

 

[dabears17]

Rivalry games are tough. Stanford almost loses to Cal, but holds on to win 60 56. Utah loses to Colorado. USC almost beats UCLA.

 

[Bigboote]

I’d never heard of Madison Connor, but she pretty much single-handedly led Arizona to victory over Oregon. They were totally flat till she came in in the third quarter.

I sure wish I could see more Pac games.

 

[LwrcasefaN]

I’d never heard of Madison Connor, but she pretty much single-handedly led Arizona to victory over Oregon. They were totally flat till she came in in the third quarter.

I sure wish I could see more Pac games.

The PAC 12 is a tough conference this year. This game was a tough battle of wills. Barnes' players clearly take on her toughness...even the bench. They come in the game READY. The place was rocking.

 

[nwhoopfan]

I also don't think ASU is in contention

I don't think you realize how bad ASU is this year.

Saw a replay of the game today. Both teams looked awful, but OSU less so. Official attendance listed as 1486, that is laughable. There weren't 500 people there. Upper bowl completely deserted, lower bowl about 90% empty. Truly pathetic attendance. The curtain of distraction is still going, and as dumb as ever.

 

[nwhoopfan]

I like her but she's limited in minutes and I need to see her against top quality teams

22/15 against UCLA and 19/10 against Arizona. Does that count? Leading all freshmen w/ 10 double-doubles, including 5 in a row.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

I’d never heard of Madison Connor, but she pretty much single-handedly led Arizona to victory over Oregon. They were totally flat till she came in in the third quarter.

I sure wish I could see more Pac games.

Conner is a sophomore. She enrolled for the spring 2021 semester but didn't play until 2021-2022. She is largely a 3 point specialist.

Arizona has the big bunch of seniors, most of them playing their 5th (Covid) year. Against weaker competition, Barnes got everyone on the team some minutes. First off the bench is the captain, Helena Pueyo who is outstanding and plays 4 positions as needed. Nnaji is a very talented freshman who is out injured, but her and Gilbert often come off the bench before Conner.

Currently, Arizona is down 3 players, Nnaji, Lauren Ware (out for the season with knee surgery), and Lemyah Hylton, a 4 star recruit, who has played sparingly.

 

[rvwsleep]

Rivalry games are tough. Stanford almost loses to Cal, but holds on to win 60 56. Utah loses to Colorado. USC almost beats UCLA.

Cal had a very good chance this game. They scored with 4:08 left in the 4th quarter to make it 56-53 Cal. Unfortunately, that was Cal's last score. They had an open 16 footer with 10 seconds left to tie but it didn't go. Stanford's offense was all Brink. She had 25 points. Stanford's next three games are on the road vs UCLA and USC, then at home vs Utah.

 

[cancontent]

The turnovers Arizona caused yesterday were a huge key to their victory from my viewpoint. This is the defence Coach Barnes has wanted from the start of the season. They created 20 turnovers and generated 16 points off of them. Made the most of those opportunities.

 

[Floridaduck]

Disappointing outcome for the Ducks but AZ is SUPPOSED to win at home. Despite 20 TO's (ouch) by Oregon (16 AZ steals) and some pretty unconscious 3 point shooting by AZ (10-20) the Ducks were within 2 with 23 seconds to go. A foul shot parade led to the final margin.

Despite the loss Oregon maintains its #10 position in NET and drops a bit to #15 in Massey. Some solace.

 

[LoTrader]

What kind of recognition do you want? She's on a mediocre team and while her stats are good, the are not eye popping like Ta'Niya Latson at FSU and frankly, let's see how she fares against Lauren Betts in the garbage time against Stanford.

I like her but she's limited in minutes and I need to see her against top quality teams, plus my snark side wonders will she transfer after this year?

I also don't think ASU is in contention as they will beat UW and Cal. I do think the cellar is probably all yours....Rooting for the Husky's but just don't see any thing there....

@DefenseBB...Raegan Beers is for real. Every opposing coach in their interviews marvel at her accomplishments as a freshman, and as a collegiate WBB Player. Hard to argue against her production efficiency. This kid will be an AA at some point in her collegiate career.

 

[cancontent]

What kind of recognition do you want? She's on a mediocre team and while her stats are good, the are not eye popping like Ta'Niya Latson at FSU and frankly, let's see how she fares against Lauren Betts in the garbage time against Stanford.

I like her but she's limited in minutes and I need to see her against top quality teams, plus my snark side wonders will she transfer after this year?

I also don't think ASU is in contention as they will beat UW and Cal. I do think the cellar is probably all yours....Rooting for the Husky's but just don't see any thing there....

Limited minutes? She's playing at least 20 on average. No one is going to have numbers like Latson, but aren't they different positions?

Has had double doubles against UCLA, Arizona. Scored in double digits as well against Oregon, Duke and LSU who have good posts to play against. Averaging 15.5 PPG and 8.9 RPG as a freshman.

Raegan Beers - Women's Basketball - Oregon State University Athletics

Raegan Beers (15) Forward - FRESHMAN (2022-23): Named 2023 Pac-12 Freshman and Sixth Player of the Year, the first player in league history to earn both awar...

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[LoTrader]

Limited minutes? She's playing at least 20 on average. No one is going to have numbers like Latson, but aren't they different positions?

Has had double doubles against UCLA, Arizona. Scored in double digits as well against Oregon, Duke and LSU who have good posts to play against. Averaging 15.5 PPG and 8.9 RPG as a freshman.

Raegan Beers - Women's Basketball - Oregon State University Athletics

Raegan Beers (15) Forward - FRESHMAN (2022-23): Named 2023 Pac-12 Freshman and Sixth Player of the Year, the first player in league history to earn both awar...

osubeavers.com

 

[jonson]

Disappointing outcome for the Ducks but AZ is SUPPOSED to win at home. Despite 20 TO's (ouch) by Oregon (16 AZ steals) and some pretty unconscious 3 point shooting by AZ (10-20) the Ducks were within 2 with 23 seconds to go. A foul shot parade led to the final margin.

Despite the loss Oregon maintains its #10 position in NET and drops a bit to #15 in Massey. Some solace.

I think they actually went up in Massey (+3), the ways of which remain something of a mystery to me.

 

[DefenseBB]

I like Beers and she is having a good year but 23.8 min per game tells me you are not able to stay in the game long enough due to your cardio. My point was @nwhoopfan wanted to know about "National attention" for Beers and she has not warranted "National attention" but does deserve PAC12 love while on a middle tier team.

The PAC12 is down this year and despite Cal blowing the game against Stanford last night, the conference as a whole will be pressed to have 2 teams host the 1st round rounds. Stanford and then anyone one of Utah, Arizona, Oregon, Colorado is a guess. USC beating UCLA at UCLA was a bit of a shocker and certainly dampens how good UCLA is.

 

[dabears17]

The PAC12 is down this year and despite Cal blowing the game against Stanford last night, the conference as a whole will be pressed to have 2 teams host the 1st round rounds. Stanford and then anyone one of Utah, Arizona, Oregon, Colorado is a guess. USC beating UCLA at UCLA was a bit of a shocker and certainly dampens how good UCLA is.

UCLA won 61 60. Utah has struggled the last 3 games, but currently Massey has 5 PAC 12 teams in the top 16 and ranked as the #1 conference. Net has 3 PAC 12 teams in the top 10. It might just be two teams hosting, but it could be as many as 4 or 5.

@jonson Virginia Tech and Iowa State dropped because they lost to lower ranked teams. Since Oregon lost to a higher ranked team, they did not drop.

 

[LoTrader]

I like Beers and she is having a good year but 23.8 min per game tells me you are not able to stay in the game long enough due to your cardio. My point was @nwhoopfan wanted to know about "National attention" for Beers and she has not warranted "National attention" but does deserve PAC12 love while on a middle tier team.

The PAC12 is down this year and despite Cal blowing the game against Stanford last night, the conference as a whole will be pressed to have 2 teams host the 1st round rounds. Stanford and then anyone one of Utah, Arizona, Oregon, Colorado is a guess. USC beating UCLA at UCLA was a bit of a shocker and certainly dampens how good UCLA is.

Not sure about "The PAC12 is down this year". I always like to see how each of the conferences perform in the NCAA Tournament before I arrive at which conferences are down. I see parity everywhere I look. I don't see any superior conferences.

 

[cancontent]

I like Beers and she is having a good year but 23.8 min per game tells me you are not able to stay in the game long enough due to your cardio. My point was @nwhoopfan wanted to know about "National attention" for Beers and she has not warranted "National attention" but does deserve PAC12 love while on a middle tier team.

The PAC12 is down this year and despite Cal blowing the game against Stanford last night, the conference as a whole will be pressed to have 2 teams host the 1st round rounds. Stanford and then anyone one of Utah, Arizona, Oregon, Colorado is a guess. USC beating UCLA at UCLA was a bit of a shocker and certainly dampens how good UCLA is.

How does her minutes per game indicate she's lacking in cardio? OSU also has Mitrovic who is averaging 23.9 minutes a game.

In comparison, Boston is averaging 24.3 MPG, Cardoso 17, Brink 21.9, Ebo 21.3. Is it a conditioning issue with these players too? All of these teams have good post player depth. Could it not be a matter of how Coach Rueck utilizes his players?

 

[visitingcock]

Not sure about "The PAC12 is down this year". I always like to see how each of the conferences perform in the NCAA Tournament before I arrive at which conferences are down. I see parity everywhere I look. I don't see any superior conferences.

The Fall season out of conference record against and even the number of Quad One teams was abysmal. Worst of all P-6 conferences. That's all we have to go on at this point.

Of course, there really wasn't an OOC record to go by with the PAC in 2020-2021 - but two PAC teams played for the Championship.

 

[jake0414]

I like Beers and she is having a good year but 23.8 min per game tells me you are not able to stay in the game long enough due to your cardio. My point was @nwhoopfan wanted to know about "National attention" for Beers and she has not warranted "National attention" but does deserve PAC12 love while on a middle tier team.

The PAC12 is down this year and despite Cal blowing the game against Stanford last night, the conference as a whole will be pressed to have 2 teams host the 1st round rounds. Stanford and then anyone one of Utah, Arizona, Oregon, Colorado is a guess. USC beating UCLA at UCLA was a bit of a shocker and certainly dampens how good UCLA is.

Did the USC-UCLA score get changed after the final buzzer on some technicality? (Wouldn’t surprise me if the officiating crew wanted to do that given the way it unnecessarily disrupted game flow and influenced the final outcome).

BTW - USC has a very talented team but hasn’t meshed given it has some 8 transfers. It has played up and down this season but contested well against UCLA both games this season.

 

[cancontent]

Did the USC-UCLA score get changed after the final buzzer on some technicality? (Wouldn’t surprise me if the officiating crew wanted to do that given the way it unnecessarily disrupted game flow and influenced the final outcome).

BTW - USC has a very talented team but hasn’t meshed given it has some 8 transfers. It has played up and down this season but contested well against UCLA both games this season.

Wasn't Sissiko (sic?) missing from the game as well? Was impressed with her play this summer when she was part of France's U23 that competed at Globl Jam in Toronto.

 

[jake0414]

Wasn't Sissiko (sic?) missing from the game as well? Was impressed with her play this summer when she was part of France's U23 that competed at Globl Jam in Toronto.

Yep. Sissoko has missed USC’s last two games. She is their leading scorer and along with Rayah Marshall the Trojans’ best players.

 

[dabears17]

Did the USC-UCLA score get changed after the final buzzer on some technicality? (Wouldn’t surprise me if the officiating crew wanted to do that given the way it unnecessarily disrupted game flow and influenced the final outcome).

BTW - USC has a very talented team but hasn’t meshed given it has some 8 transfers. It has played up and down this season but contested well against UCLA both games this season.

UCLA took the lead and kept it at the 1:05 mark. Refs definitely affected game. USC had 4 fouls called on them in the first minute of the 4th quarter and the 5th to put UCLA in the bonus happened at the 8:41 mark. UCLA’s last 6 points, including the go ahead point, were free throws.

Though UCLA was called for 26 fouls and USC was called for 25.

One of the refs has a reputation for making calls that influence games. She loves reviewing plays when it isn’t necessary. Another is one of the least liked PAC-12 Refs. I definitely was happy they were in LA, not in Berkeley yesterday.

One of them did the UConn Stanford game last year. Stanford fans definitely had a bad feeling when they saw her on the court at the Target Center.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

UCLA took the lead and kept it at the 1:05 mark. Refs definitely affected game. USC had 4 fouls called on them in the first minute of the 4th quarter and the 5th to put UCLA in the bonus happened at the 8:41 mark. UCLA’s last 6 points, including the go ahead point, were free throws.

Though UCLA was called for 26 fouls and USC was called for 25.

One of the refs has a reputation for making calls that influence games. She loves reviewing plays when it isn’t necessary. Another is one of the least liked PAC-12 Refs. I definitely was happy they were in LA, not in Berkeley yesterday.

One of them did the UConn Stanford game last year. Stanford fans definitely had a bad feeling when they saw her on the court at the Target Center.

you lost me. I don't like Missy either and I would say she likes making game altering plays, since, 15 years ago, she did it to Rutgers at Rutgers (it was a deal with Stanford to use PAC refs). But Benny Luna - while he has received some national attention - seems pretty much a non-entity and I don't think I even know the other.