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Again, I hate, hate, HATE the rule, but it's been called that way all season. I'm all for letting 50-50 calls go down the stretch, but I don't agree with the mindset that the rule book should be thrown out the window entirely.

With that said, I think we can all agree that the rule needs to be modified in the offseason. Which means they'll probably change it to call even more flagrants...

Yeah, it's a tough balance for sure. Letter of the law vs. gravity of the situation will probably be debated until the end of time. Easier for me to say from my couch than it is for the refs to openly antagonize their bosses in real time, for sure.
 
UConn is not bad for the sport but the power imbalance that exists is. The fact that people ITT are already adamant that they won't lose the next two seasons is exhibit A. We need more games like last night.
Don't complain to UConn fans, complain to the schools that look at women's hoops as some sort of burden they need to carry in order to have a football team. Schools hire retread coaches instead of searching out promising young talent, they give the women's team almost no recruiting budgets, and they refuse to publicize the teams so that the kids are playing in front of 350 family and friends every game. It's not UConn's fault other schools won't step up to the plate.
 
Schools hire retread coaches instead of searching out promising young talent, they give the women's team almost no recruiting budgets, and they refuse to publicize the teams so that the kids are playing in front of 350 family and friends every game.

There's a fundamental question that needs to be answered for women's basketball in this country. That question is, "can a larger market be created?"

Market creation in a mature economy is difficult, more difficult for entertainment, and yet more difficult for sports entertainment. Soccer is Exhibit 1. Tens of Millions of kids play soccer, but there has not been the kind of market creation that many had hoped for, which is too bad really. Great game. So why is that? Not sure. Too many other sports? Too many other Tech options? Do we have a short cultural attention span? If you've been breastfed 120 point NBA games and 50 point NFL games your whole life, do you develop sports fan ADD?

The WNB is moving in the right direction, but the question remains - how much market can be created?

We're living in a society where the heretofore unstoppable NFL showed a decrease in TV ratings - seemingly impossible for the franchise that has been held up by all as the exemplar on which to base your sport management. As TV's allure wanes, and young people are grown more attached to virtual reality than reality, the sale for women's hoops will likely not get easier.

That's the pros. For college, though, you must ask, if your point is valid, why aren't colleges willing to invest money in coaches and recruiting and advertising? Are they incompetent? Do they believe there will not be a ROI? Are they misogynistic?

If they invest the money, and the returns aren't there, then can they stop investing the money? How long? 5 years? 20 years? At some point of a failure to earn a ROI, then, by definition, the money being "invested" would not really be an investment, but would rather be something that "needs to be carried" in order to have a football program, as you put it - of course you'd probably agree there is value in college athletics beyond profitability, marketability, and audience size.

I imagine the truth is a mix of many things, with many regional variations. How many schools can run a profitable women's hoop team if all management was done properly? What do you think? 5? 50? I don't know the answer, and there is little useful information out there, particularly given funky accounting that is used by many colleges. I do know that the WBB UConn phenomenon seems to be a black swan event more than a pioneering event - Connecticut demographics, Geno, Lobo, double double championships. It seems unlikely that anything close and sustainable could be created elsewhere. Time will tell.

It would be good for WCBB to improve, expand, and become more profitable. I believe that the UConn women's team success has been incredibly beneficial to the University. I had somebody once ask, way back when, Yukon? In Canada? Really, that happened. By 2000 I'd more often get, "with the great woman's team?"

In a world with a pie that isn't growing as rapidly as in past decades and with the fight for the pieces ever more intense and with non-sports internet occupying a larger part of the pie every year, I'm just not feeling sanguine that the WBB market can be expanded.
 
There's a fundamental question that needs to be answered for women's basketball in this country. That question is, "can a larger market be created?"

Market creation in a mature economy is difficult, more difficult for entertainment, and yet more difficult for sports entertainment. Soccer is Exhibit 1. Tens of Millions of kids play soccer, but there has not been the kind of market creation that many had hoped for, which is too bad really. Great game. So why is that? Not sure. Too many other sports? Too many other Tech options? Do we have a short cultural attention span? If you've been breastfed 120 point NBA games and 50 point NFL games your whole life, do you develop sports fan ADD?

The WNB is moving in the right direction, but the question remains - how much market can be created?

We're living in a society where the heretofore unstoppable NFL showed a decrease in TV ratings - seemingly impossible for the franchise that has been held up by all as the exemplar on which to base your sport management. As TV's allure wanes, and young people are grown more attached to virtual reality than reality, the sale for women's hoops will likely not get easier.

That's the pros. For college, though, you must ask, if your point is valid, why aren't colleges willing to invest money in coaches and recruiting and advertising? Are they incompetent? Do they believe there will not be a ROI? Are they misogynistic?

If they invest the money, and the returns aren't there, then can they stop investing the money? How long? 5 years? 20 years? At some point of a failure to earn a ROI, then, by definition, the money being "invested" would not really be an investment, but would rather be something that "needs to be carried" in order to have a football program, as you put it - of course you'd probably agree there is value in college athletics beyond profitability, marketability, and audience size.

I imagine the truth is a mix of many things, with many regional variations. How many schools can run a profitable women's hoop team if all management was done properly? What do you think? 5? 50? I don't know the answer, and there is little useful information out there, particularly given funky accounting that is used by many colleges. I do know that the WBB UConn phenomenon seems to be a black swan event more than a pioneering event - Connecticut demographics, Geno, Lobo, double double championships. It seems unlikely that anything close and sustainable could be created elsewhere. Time will tell.

It would be good for WCBB to improve, expand, and become more profitable. I believe that the UConn women's team success has been incredibly beneficial to the University. I had somebody once ask, way back when, Yukon? In Canada? Really, that happened. By 2000 I'd more often get, "with the great woman's team?"

In a world with a pie that isn't growing as rapidly as in past decades and with the fight for the pieces ever more intense and with non-sports internet occupying a larger part of the pie every year, I'm just not feeling sanguine that the WBB market can be expanded.
The women's hoops market is:

1. Older folks
2. Young families with children, especially daughters
3. Gays

These demographics aren't generally competing with the NBA, NFL, or even men's NCAA for market share. Smart marketing could pay off huge dividend.
 
The women's hoops market is:

1. Older folks
2. Young families with children, especially daughters
3. Gays

These demographics aren't generally competing with the NBA, NFL, or even men's NCAA for market share. Smart marketing could pay off huge dividend.
I root for, and follow, nearly all UConn teams. I'm concerned that I have already seen the best of times for us, and college sports in general. The uneven distribution of power and money will kill it for all. If any P5 school thinks they'll get anything from me after they have ruined the landscape, they are sadly mistaken. There are 3 P5 schools in NY, New England, and New Jersey, combined. Mississippi has 2. What's wrong with that picture?
 
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I root for, and follow, nearly all UConn teams. I'm concerned that I have already seen the best of times for us, and college sports in general. The uneven distribution of power and money will kill it for all. If any P5 school thinks they'll get anything from me after they have ruined the landscape, they are sadly mistaken. There are 3 P5 schools in NY, New England, and New Jersey, combined. Mississippi has 2. What's wrong with that picture?

That's wild. To take it a step further, there are no P5 schools in Philly, NYC, Hartford, D.C., Baltimore, or Boston. They've completely froze out the east coast.
 
I root for, and follow, nearly all UConn teams. I'm concerned that I have already seen the best of times for us, and college sports in general. The uneven distribution of power and money will kill it for all. If any P5 school thinks they'll get anything from me after they have ruined the landscape, they are sadly mistaken. There are 3 P5 schools in NY, New England, and New Jersey, combined. Mississippi has 2. What's wrong with that picture?

The best times probably are behind us for the women's team (in the sense that although Geno will win some more titles, he has won most of them already). When you've dined with the king, you aren't going to like McDonalds.

It would be nice if college football mattered to people in Connecticut, New York, or New Jersey the way that it matters in Mississippi. But it doesn't. Birmingham always does a very high rating for college football, whether or not Alabama or Auburn are playing. The sports culture in the rest of the country, particularly in the South and the Midwest, is completely based around football. The P5 schools simply reflect that fact. Very few schools in those states bring in much in terms of football.

UConn is obviously atypical. I mean, the top thread on the men's basketball board is about the women's basketball team. Fans around the country consider UConn to be a "women's basketball school." If that helped us get into a P5 conference, we'd have been in one long ago.
 
That's wild. To take it a step further, there are no P5 schools in Philly, NYC, Hartford, D.C., Baltimore, or Boston. They've completely froze out the east coast.
Ummm, Boston College (University) is in Boston and Maryland is in the Baltimore/DC area.

And there are threes P5 schools in the Northeast - BCU, Syracuse, and Rutgers.
 
Ummm, Boston College (University) is in Boston and Maryland is in the Baltimore/DC area.

And there are threes P5 schools in the Northeast - BCU, Syracuse, and Rutgers.

BC isn't in Boston and Maryland isn't in in Baltimore or D.C.
 
Maryland is in Greenbelt, MD, which is an awful place, gone for runs around there.

Syracuse is ..in god knows where upstate NY where you freeze your butt off for 6+ months of the year.

BC doesn't really count as a P5 school despite being in a P5 conference because they are so pathetic.
 
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BC is technically not in Boston, but from a TV market point of view, they are.

Maryland is in neither DC or Baltimore, but I'm guessing they garner more attention in both those markets than BC does in Boston.
 
The best times probably are behind us for the women's team (in the sense that although Geno will win some more titles, he has won most of them already). When you've dined with the king, you aren't going to like McDonalds.

It would be nice if college football mattered to people in Connecticut, New York, or New Jersey the way that it matters in Mississippi. But it doesn't. Birmingham always does a very high rating for college football, whether or not Alabama or Auburn are playing. The sports culture in the rest of the country, particularly in the South and the Midwest, is completely based around football. The P5 schools simply reflect that fact. Very few schools in those states bring in much in terms of football.

UConn is obviously atypical. I mean, the top thread on the men's basketball board is about the women's basketball team. Fans around the country consider UConn to be a "women's basketball school." If that helped us get into a P5 conference, we'd have been in one long ago.
I'm pretty sure there are more eyeballs from the Northeast watching college football than Alabama and Mississippi combined. There are also many more college choices in the Northeast, and that is part of the problem.
 
BTW, that was one of the more amazing shots I have seen, men or women. Does she remind anyone a little of Khalid El-Amin? Super under sized but with a huge heart?
 
BTW, that was one of the more amazing shots I have seen, men or women. Does she remind anyone a little of Khalid El-Amin? Super under sized but with a huge heart?

The possession before, I was sure Itty-Bitty was going to do a Kemba ankle breaking step back - she started forward, had the defender (Nurse, I think) backing up, but instead of the step back, she just stuttered for a sec, froze Kia then drove toward the hoop. I have no doubt she could do it if she wanted, and it would be awesome.
 
University of Maryland is in College Park??
Ya, I made a mistake. Been 3 years since I lived there. Greenbelt, of course, is the very next stop on the green line after College Park. I do not like the area and maybe combined the two stops in my head.
 
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The TV audience probably just contacted by 95% for the final. That should show the NCAA that scheduling 10:30 games is BS - as Gino hinted.
 
It's not like I care hugely, but you're not counting Newton or College Park, when both are less than 10 milesfrom the heart of their respective anchor cities?
College Park is 9, maybe 9.5 miles* outside of DC depending on the route you take and where you are going (greenbelt is another 2 or 3 miles or so) BUT CP is a world away from DC....

*(and if we include places like Fort Totten that is as low as just over 7 miles)
 
While we're correcting names, could we get the team's name right? They are the Women Huskies. If you want a "Ladies" team follow Tennesee or some other "charming" old fashioned school..
Girls mirrors boys, Ladies mirrors Genlemen but in a less capable way. And Women goes with Men.
 
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That's wild. To take it a step further, there are no P5 schools in Philly, NYC, Hartford, D.C., Baltimore, or Boston. They've completely froze out the east coast.

Gotta be a huge market opportunity here. Problem is, no one down south looks at the North as an opportunity football wise. They see a wasteland (as it's currently constituted), not what could be.
 
Canadian Denham Brown scored 111 points in a high school game, prior to playing for UConn 2002-2006. This factoid makes regularly random appearances on The Boneyard as appropriate. Hope this helps.
And cost us the Mason game. Why :ck did he shoot the last shot?
 
And cost us the Mason game. Why :ck did he shoot the last shot?

Some here wanted Crystal Dangerfield instead of Saniya Chong on Friday night. I'd have preferred much more Jeff Adrien in the George Mason game. Who knows?
 
I root for, and follow, nearly all UConn teams. I'm concerned that I have already seen the best of times for us, and college sports in general. The uneven distribution of power and money will kill it for all. If any P5 school thinks they'll get anything from me after they have ruined the landscape, they are sadly mistaken. There are 3 P5 schools in NY, New England, and New Jersey, combined. Mississippi has 2. What's wrong with that picture?
Wow, I never actually thought about the fact that the most sparsely populated regions of the country have so much more P5 representation.

But I think that's partly cultural. People in the south will tattoo "Roll Tide" across their foreheads even in a down season, I don't see UConn even selling hoodies, marchandise and gear that's very modern in retail stores within its own state even remotely relative to the program's success and perceived popularity in Connecticut.

Part of that issue will never change, there's simply more options for things to do in the Northeast than down in the sticks of Mississippi.
 
It's not like I care hugely, but you're not counting Newton or College Park, when both are less than 10 milesfrom the heart of their respective anchor cities?

I'm speaking technically. Practically, it's true that there's no real difference - it's kind of like the Giants and Jets playing in New Jersey.

I wasn't trying to make any real point except for that it sounded better. Either way you cut it, the p5 is under-represented on the east coast.
 
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