I hadn't read what the difference of opinion was. I suppose that could be one. I've read that, in the comic books, the baby didn't last that long. We'll see if they follow or go a different route.
Not sure she didn't. They didn't show it, but Hershel knew where to find him. Just a guess. In one of the Inside the Episode video's the actress mentioned Michonne wasn't sure what Rick was doing out there at first. Thought there might be some kind of threat he saw, but finally figured out he's seeing things.
Again in one of the Inside the Episode video's Morrisey talked about the Governor really didn't know the size of the force at the prison and he was kind of feeling it out. Kind of a hit and run and see what they got. How their defenses are, how many men he might need to take the prison. Plus he doesn't like Rick or Michonne much at all so anything to make their life miserable....make them expend energy/ammunition clearing the yard and fixing the fences. Really besides figuring out what he was against (remember he was very impressed this group had done something everyone (Merle) had told him couldn't be done...i.e. clear the prison), he's pretty messed up in the head, and enjoys F*&#ing with his enemies. At this point I don't think he really cares whether he lives or dies or what happens to Woodbury, but just wants revenge.
I don't think he trusts her. So it was to kind of throw her off while he went off on his little scouting raid. I think he likes her and wants her to choose Woodbury, but he's not sure if he can trust her against her old friends. She hasn't done anything to him (like Rick and Michonne have). He also knows she is pretty tough (or can be, was). She's from this group that took the prison, she survived months out on the road. Also one has to remember as in life now, people don't always make the best (most logical) choices.
Who can shoot.
Fine and dandy, then simply tell her what you are up to a lot earlier. Saving heads motivated you to keep strong & remember its zombie nightmare-land outside despite the Mayberry pretense, tell her rogue Merle captured the prison folk and then more recently say you are going to the prison to raise a little hell and see what you are up against.Who can shoot.
Well of course those comments (mine and Fishy) where in jest. However, having her halfway is exactly where she is. He would love her to stay and choose his side. However, he knows she may choose their side. He doesn't exactly need another enemy. And he knows she is fairly formidable. Better to keep her halfway now until she completely abandons him (if she does). Best not to let her get close to her friends either and let her here their side of the story. He knows she's not going to like him harassing and killing her friends. And if she has problems with him, maybe he can convince her she is saving the people of Woodbury against her old friends.
Well why not? People in real life make bad choices when they are stressed. Why not here? It's logical. Granted writers/directors/showrunners may make poor choices, but I don't see the characters making poor choices under stress as proof of that. It's much more logical that they would. It would be illogical to think they always did the right thing.
Sorry if my tone was too serious, was intended more sarcastic (towards show not you). I think you are right that Andrea eventually goes against him and maybe he knows this too since he displayed some recognition of the fact that he was nuts (keeping my daughter) even while he was choosing to still act nuts (striking a blow to prison for revenge purposes). I guess if he knows he's an unlovable sadist that can only lead the weak by intimidation (killng nat'l guard folks) then he also knows he can never let anyone too close (hence pre-Andrea 'anyone ever calls me Francis, I'll kill ya' err I mean anything but Governor). I just wish he'd be a little smarter about it all. Even in these zombie apocalypse stressful times you have to be extra careful and think everything through looking at all the angles.
Great episode. Gave me some Michonne dialogue motivation which I'd been DYING for. Did they imply romantic feelings towards Andrea on Michonne's part?
Don't know if they were romantic?? Probably just very close friends. They spent the whole winter together. Really only person who Michonne has connected with since Wildfire started (besides her two"pets"). Andrea seems pretty heterosexual (Shane, Governor), but you never know?
In the "Inside Episode 11" video (they make one for every episode), Andrew Lincoln (Rick) says that is the turning point for Rick. When your own kid tells you you are messed up, it hits home.
Carol (Melissa McBride, she's been in a couple other Darabont films) . She's been there since Season 1 episode 2. She's really picking up fans too. Helps that she is linked with the most popular character, Daryl. It was a nice touch to have her come up with the "screw him and stick him". Quite a change from Season 1 and 2 for her.
Might be testing her. Trying to find out where her loyalties do lie. If she comes back she's on his side. And he might 1) not care whether he lives or dies now that he has nothing to live for or 2) think himself invincible. He's the Governor.
Good points. If she assassinates him, how does she explain it to Martinez and Martin? And Woodbury?? And how does she get escape after she does it? She had to have a pet walker to get to the prison the first time. Maybe that's what's stopping her?? On the "Inside Episode 11", Laurie Holden (Andrea) said when Michonne and Andrea talked, Andrea realized what a fool she had been. And it was Andrea's intention going back to Woodbury to kill the Governor. Rick gave her a knife to slit his throat (hope she remembers to stab him in the head too
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Have to completely disagree. By far the best season yet.
I like to see what they are trying to get across. Whether they do or not. Or compare my interpretation with theirs. Sometimes if you know what they were trying to do, you can look back at scenes/dialogue and go "oh I see what they were doing there, yea that was good".
Yep on Andrea, like I said - I think it was the BEST choice for her character not to kill him at that point and that's my theme here that I'm kind of a TV game theorist in that I like to be able to see that characters made the best possible choice from their perspective. When strategy and emotion (killing a human) align all the more power. I think in order to play up that human angle they might have showed if she was acting or into their fornication - i.e. if she's checking her watch then pausing to kill him has more emotional weight b/c you've kind of seen her commit to the strategy.
True, but they have pretty much shied away from the sex stuff. Usually it's a couple kisses then fade to later. As most TV/movies, the violence is fine, but don't show any sex.
I think Merle assumes she knows. Or should have a clue. He was close to the Governor and knew what the Governor did. I think he assumes the same for her. Although the Governor has hidden quite a bit from her. And unlike Michonne, she really hasn't gone looking for faults. At one point in the prison conversations with Andrea, when she was talking about working something out, Merle kind of looked at her and said, you know better than that. (that ain't gonna happen)
I'm going with merle!
I thought they all did a nice job performance wise.
If the previews are at all true I'm going to have a hard time believing that Rick agrees to a Camp David summit talk with the governor and expects no blood. Heck Rick's stated his goal is to kill the governor. And he's got Michonne & Merle to interview about his treachery and modus operandi. Both parties should come to Camp David expecting a fight/trap all of the above.
Yea not sure how Andrea is going to talk Rick or the Governor into "peace talks". Unless she lies to both, which she might well do. Or the Gov lies to Andrea, she is pretty gullible. I don't think either would come without some other plan. Some trap. Like when Rick met with the Vatos - having T-Dog on the roof.
). We already know Carol's plan. So yea I guess Hershel. He can probably drive and shoot.
What was great about that episdoe is even though it contained only 4 people and took place essentially in one location it is one of the few times they thematically addressed the zombie apocalpyse big picture issues. Perhaps bringing back a character from the pilot stimulated these thoughts. Unlike season 2 rather than talking things to death they used equal parts action and dialogue to illustrate the big picture issues. And it wasn't overlty obvious in form of 'what have we become' debate over a group decision, rather a simple conversation about one person's choice (so less frustrating if they choose unwisely and that we can't control it). Also satisfying because even though its almost certainly futile*, the booby traps are the first time any character in the history of the show has done anything to try and to the zombie plague.
