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I watched this game and was into it from the start. UConn snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with some help from the refs. I think all our freshman will be really good. Tuck already looks pretty comfortable. KML is KML. A top 5 player in the country. Doty is the only one I wanted to strangle last night. She's a 5 or 6 year senior and still makes freshman plays. I know she has had major injuries but that doesn't explain her horrific BBALL IQ.
 
Doty was great 5 years ago, now she's a shell of the player she used to be. She was deadly three point shooter, was fairly quick. Reminded me of Diana a bit. Then injuries came. I think she's had three ACLs in her UConn career.
 
Yea it's a shame. You still should know when the shot clocks expiring and/or when you have 4 seconds more to dribble for a last second shot. Not to mention her getting trapped in crucial situations.
 
I rather enjoyed the foul that was called on Dolson in the first half when the ND player stuck her elbow into Dolson neck. I'm surprised Geno didn't get thrown out after that. I give him & the assistants who held him back , credit.

That was Chris Dailey's foot speed defense on Geno that deserves the credit.

And even if Dolson slid a bit in the ill-advised screen, Diggins sold it like Kemba.
 
Can someone please lock this dumb thread before that blowhard Icebear comes over here pontificating with his 18 kajillion posts?

The fact this board is talking about a woman's game in March is depressing enough.

Lets see how it goes it will be entertaining we can always lock it once it gets out of control. I dont care too much about the Womens game but I hate losing to ND in any sport.
 
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Sorry guys, I know you are watching it with the idea in your head that the women's game isn't as good. But the men's team doesn't play pretty basketball either, and rarely has. The women are slower and the women can't dunk. That's the difference. More often then not the women actually play better defense and run a better offense.

I know it's just everyone's opinion and whatever, but this is a classic example of expecting women to be significantly better than men, in order to give them credit. An ugly game doesn't mean it was an ugly game, it means that women's game sucks. (And I'd still argue that this one was "ugly" because the refs made it so. ) There was no uglier basketball game, ever, than our last national championship game..that either team has ever played. I don't care though, we won that game.

As for the Dolson situation...on the one hand, what she did was stupid. On the other hand, if you knew the history of these two teams. ND has won a considerable amount of games because Uconn will have a small lead, and then give it up. They often give it up because Diggins will wack the side of Hartley's arm - she'll lose the ball, ND will get a fast break steal. (It's actually a pretty smart move...just obnoxious if you are consistently on the other end of it.) I'm sure that was going through Dolson's mind.
 
Sorry guys, I know you are watching it with the idea in your head that the women's game isn't as good. But the men's team doesn't play pretty basketball either, and rarely has. The women are slower and the women can't dunk. That's the difference. More often then not the women actually play better defense and run a better offense.

You're right. They're slower. They can't dunk.

And.....

They're not as fast
They're not as athletic
They're not as strong.
They're not as creative
They don't ballhandle as well

The speed, general style and overall product are lesser. It's like watching a reel of 1950's NBA footage.
 
oooh so hurtful ... but we know your disdain toward the womens team all goes back to your ineptitide in the bedroom

huskyblooz vs Fishy like spitballs against a battleship....

Also a certain Sportswriter called Uconn Ladies "Pretenders not contenders" this year...........
 
Hartley is horrific this year, never got the game back and is always dribbling around like a chicken with her head cut off.......Doty, well the injuries in her career took away her athleticism and with that her game, same place too often dribbling......Faris is solid always, throws some whacky passes but she's a toughie.........Dolson, bad bad game - looked lost - take another shot when you've missed 8 in a row?. Mosquito is really really good but can't guard anyone as good as McBride.........Tuck is going to be real good just needed to make some layups.......Stewart is whacked but she made big plays without trying, blocked shots, kept balls alive and rebounded, needs to relax...........Geno has not been too good either this year quite honestly in big games, Muffet owns him right now!!! Bring the freshman in (#4?) the 2nd half when things are falling apart?? Smart move......how about getting her comfortable slowly since she's a better option than Hartley or Doty?? The funny thing is they seem to need to hand the ball off so much and why? No one could get open...........and they throw passes to spots because the offense should run smoothly and when they finally play someone good and the other team can guard them, they still throw it there because they are running the offense? Unfortunately the other team is there awaiting the arrival of the awful pass......there's no skeleton defense out there anymore ladies!!

Womens refereeing is a joke.......women can't ref normally but the dude in this one was clueless....the call on Dolson for her 2nd was enough to assure the guy should never referee anything but women's HS JV games.........but seriously the ref's are always clueless and even the real good ones wouldn't be able to do a good mens HS basketabll game!!

Finally Fishy is so right, you saw what happens in a women's game, both way, when both teams are pretty good. All that supposedly smooth passing and cutting is out the window and they look kinda like Fishy outta the water!! ;)......these teams are so used to being so much better than 95% of their schedule that's an issue!
I'm not saying Jefferson was a great choice, only the better choice. Either Doty handles the ball or Jefferson handles the ball. I'd go with Jefferson. She has had decent minutes this year and there isn't any more time to get comfortable. Geno went with experience and it bit him in the ass. She and Hartley are the only 2 true point guards on the team that is PG challanged. Actually, I question whether Hartley is a true PG. Hartley just dribbles and hopes something good will happen instead of having some sort of destination in mind.
I agree on the refereeing in women's basketball. You see better refs in your average HS game. The refs were letting them play, swallowing the whistle then call ticky tack fouls.
They had 20+ turnovers, missed key 1 and 1's and still should have won a very ugly game. Muffit is Geno's daddy. Geno will be leaving the BE with a bad taste of ND in his mouth
 
Sorry guys, I know you are watching it with the idea in your head that the women's game isn't as good. But the men's team doesn't play pretty basketball either, and rarely has. The women are slower and the women can't dunk. That's the difference. More often then not the women actually play better defense and run a better offense.

I know it's just everyone's opinion and whatever, but this is a classic example of expecting women to be significantly better than men, in order to give them credit. An ugly game doesn't mean it was an ugly game, it means that women's game sucks. (And I'd still argue that this one was "ugly" because the refs made it so. ) There was no uglier basketball game, ever, than our last national championship game..that either team has ever played. I don't care though, we won that game.

As for the Dolson situation...on the one hand, what she did was stupid. On the other hand, if you knew the history of these two teams. ND has won a considerable amount of games because Uconn will have a small lead, and then give it up. They often give it up because Diggins will wack the side of Hartley's arm - she'll lose the ball, ND will get a fast break steal. (It's actually a pretty smart move...just obnoxious if you are consistently on the other end of it.) I'm sure that was going through Dolson's mind.

People like you make me laugh my a** off............"women actually play better defense and run a better offense" - you chi**ing me? They can't guard good players if they're quick, fast players........who guarded McBride last night - NO ONE could......she did what she wanted when she wanted until they went into the zone...........even then they couldn't find here when they needed to - and this coming from the 3rd or 4th best team in th country. And they "BEAUTIFIL" offense against teams they are 40-50 points better than with a bunch of stiffs out there in comparison to theirs.........please tell me you don't actually believe this crap??!?!?
 
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You're right. They're slower. They can't dunk.

And.....

They're not as fast
They're not as athletic
They're not as strong.
They're not as creative
They don't ballhandle as well

The speed, general style and overall product are lesser. It's like watching a reel of 1950's NBA footage.
You forgot jumping. Has anyone ever measured a women's players vertical leap? I expect it would take the total of 3 women to get near the vertical of Ryan Boatright.

Or more simply put the difference between men's and women's basketball is illustrated by the average ticket price x attendance for NBA vs WNBA ?
 
You're right. They're slower. They can't dunk.

And.....

They're not as fast
They're not as athletic
They're not as strong.
They're not as creative
They don't ballhandle as well

The speed, general style and overall product are lesser. It's like watching a reel of 1950's NBA footage.

And the ball is smaller and should go in more often!! ;)
 
And the ball is smaller and should go in more often!! ;)
I don't think it makes any sense to compare the women's game to the men's. But it does make sense to evaluate the Uconn women against other teams. I don't think Geno got out-coached in any of the losses this year. He got out-talented. If you consider who from the Uconn team would start for Baylor or Notre Dame, IMHO only Mosqueda-Lewis and perhaps Kelly Farris would be good enough. I think the girls had a deer-in-the-headlights look all night. If you look at the stats, Uconn had more rebounds, more assists, more blocks and shot for a higher percentage. Turnovers and free throw shooting did them in. Unfortunately, I don't think this loss will help them in the post-season but who knows?
 
These comparisons are just plain dumb. They are different games played by different sexes with a different size ball.. Trying to compare the games is futile. I'm not a huge womens fan but do watch Uconn when they play a competitive team which is about 3-4 times a year in the regular season. Better to enjoy them for what they are.
 
Also a certain Sportswriter called Uconn Ladies "Pretenders not contenders" this year...........

Doesn't a 3OT loss to the #2 team (a game they had in the bag) make that comment sound rather silly, SP?
 
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Also a certain Sportswriter called Uconn Ladies "Pretenders not contenders" this year...........
Which is silly. They won't beat Baylor this year (although they only lost by 6). They lost in 3OT, and by 1 against ND.

If someone--anyone--takes out Baylor, or if Griner got hurt, UConn is even money for the title. That means they're technically a contender.
 
Why are we killing our own? So they are the 3rd best WBB team in the country....Baylor has the most dominant woman maybe ever, ND has a great player and good team. So the UConn women make the Final 4 and next year they will be the favorite to win it all.

2014 Men's and Women's National Champions.....the big FU to the NCAA!!!!
 
I love what Geno and our ladies have done. I really do. But, it's a different game from the men. Entirely different. It's much more like the pick-up hoops I play twice a week and god knows that is some questionable basketball.

On a separate note. I once worked with a guy whose daughter played college basketball and he constantly reminded us that the girls were fundementally better than the guys and metnioned free throw shooting as an example. I asked him if the fact that they were shooting a smaller ball through the same size hoop as the guys might have something to do with it? He absolutly refused to hear that arguement. Not sure if he questions the earth's gravity as well...........
 
Why are we killing our own? So they are the 3rd best WBB team in the country....Baylor has the most dominant woman maybe ever, ND has a great player and good team. So the UConn women make the Final 4 and next year they will be the favorite propably to win it all.

2014 Men's and Women's National Champions.....the big FU to the NCAA!!!!
Best case scenario--Griner gets two titles and three Final Fours, and had one undefeated season. That's not as good as Maya Moore (2 titles, 4 , 2 undefeated seasons), only marginally better than Candace Parker (2 titles, 2 in only 3 years), and not as good as Taurasi (3 titles, 4 , one undefeated season)
 
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The smaller ball actually hurts shooting percentage. It was originally put in place because women have smaller hands, but in general, WCBB players don't anymore. (One of Rondo's issues when it comes to shooting.) But the fact that the ball is smaller actually causes more pop outs.

That's actually been one of Geno's biggest talking points for a while. He wants WCBB to switch to the larger ball and he'd like to either place in a back court shot clock or shorten the shot clock from 30 seconds to 24. (I think the second one is a mistake though...)
 
Best case scenario--Griner gets two titles and three Final Fours, and had one undefeated season. That's not as good as Maya Moore (2 titles, 4 , 2 undefeated seasons), only marginally better than Candace Parker (2 titles, 2 in only 3 years), and not as good as Taurasi (3 titles, 4 , one undefeated season)
All true but the UConn women probably had a little more help than Griner...plus she dunks...lol. I hope we get another shot at her though in a few weeks.
 
People like you make me laugh my a** off............"women actually play better defense and run a better offense" - you chi**ing me? They can't guard good players if they're quick, fast players........who guarded McBride last night - NO ONE could......she did what she wanted when she wanted until they went into the zone...........even then they couldn't find here when they needed to - and this coming from the 3rd or 4th best team in th country. And they "BEAUTIFIL" offense against teams they are 40-50 points better than with a bunch of stiffs out there in comparison to theirs.........please tell me you don't actually believe this crap??!?!?

No one was guarding McBride last night because Hartley fouled out, Banks is injured, and Faris was guarding Diggins. (who, despite always making the big shot, did miss 20 shots last night..so perhaps the defense wasn't that bad.) KML is not a good defender, but she was the best they could throw on her.

And how about, McBride is just a fantastic player. I watched numerous not even elite players absolutely destroy the UConn men. Every season.

It's a shot to the ego, I understand...to be just a Uconn men's fan and have to deal with the women having bigger success and playing, within their competition, an arguably better brand of basketball. Certainly not more athletic...but I thought Uconn men's fans learned the lesson that athletic was not necessarily better after the Sticks/Dyson season. Handle the ball better? Sure Bazz and Boat can handle it better than any of the girls on this team. Better than the quality of guards Geno usually has (Montgomery, Bird ) I don't think so.

This Uconn team struggles to handle the ball, and this Uconn team struggles in close games, and this Uconn team, quite frankly..is pretty dumb. All unusual for a Uconn women's team. And here's the thing, if you've watched the women throughout the years..you would have known that even against the weaker teams, this team wasn't running great offense. It's silly though. Someone says "look at all the turnovers and missed shots..the women's game is so ugly." Only to be answered with, "they scored more than the men usually do in close games." So obviously the reply is "no defense." Lol. So when the women's offense looks good/better against the elite team its because lack of defense, but when they struggle it's because they suck. And when the men struggle it's because of defense and when they don't it's because of their athletic and talent superiority. Sure, I buy it. It couldn't be because Boat and Bazz dribble the ball for 25 seconds and take a poor shot on half of our possessions. Sounds like fantastic offense to me.

And I hate getting into these arguments because I love both teams. But it's ridiculous. I've always thought the men's team's offense looks uglier. And here's the thing, it should. Women have to run a more complex and tighter offense because they don't have the athleticism and playground game men tend to have. (One of the reasons why, if Hartley is playing well..Uconn can get by without running a great offense. Because she's one of the few women that does play like that.) Not to mention, the Uconn women had 6 players on the Olympic team this season. Four of them were starters on the same team, including the starting Olympic backcourt. No it usually looks better. Sue Bird was probably the best female point guard in the world when she was playing at Uconn. Of course she's going to run an elite offense. I'm not even saying that WCBB runs a better offense. That I disagree with. I'm saying the UConn WCBB team usually does.

It's a different brand of basketball, completely, almost to the point of comparing it being silly. If people don't like it, people don't like it. But it's just inaccurate to make like women's basketball is inferior in every way. It's not. It's different. Some of it might be better, depending on what you like.
But it's just a shame that so many men's fans can't support the women because of an inferiority complex.
 
Can someone please lock this dumb thread before that blowhard Icebear comes over here pontificating with his 18 kajillion posts?

The fact this board is talking about a woman's game in March is depressing enough.


Nailed it Deep!!! LMAO! :p

GO HUSKIES!!! BEAT THE BULLS!!!
 
Why are we killing our own? So they are the 3rd best WBB team in the country....Baylor has the most dominant woman maybe ever, ND has a great player and good team. So the UConn women make the Final 4 and next year they will be the favorite to win it all.

2014 Men's and Women's National Champions.....the big FU to the NCAA!!!!

Baylor has the most dominant player in woman's basketball, maybe ever. Not sure "the most dominant woman ever" is correct until we see some Olympic style testing (which cost the Chinese big time).

It's a different game, just as women's soccer is and hockey is. Appreciate it or not. This is not a great UConn team by our standards, but those are high standards.
 
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