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OT: T'eo a fraud?

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vowelguy said:
I might use: Naive. Innocent. Gullible.

He's a Mormon, he's from Hawaii -- I can see it.
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So he never engaged in playful banter with his teammates re carnal knowledge or lack thereof? If so he would be the only guy in the history of college sports that never discussed his love life.

If he had clearly portrayed to his teammates or the media that he had never met the girl no way there would have been all of this hoopla. So at a minimum he played along or let a story perpetuate itself. Which is fine when you are a nobody but not when you are on your way to becoming a household name.
 
Everything has a camera these days. Seeing this girl, whether in person or Skype/FaceTime, would be absolutely trivial. Since her twitter and other online pics were stolen from another girl... It should have been plainly obvious if reality didn't match the online persona.
 
businesslawyer said:
"Conspired to make him believe that she had died of leukemia." How does one do that? Pick up the phone and tell your boy friend "I'm dead of leukemia. Speak to you tomorrow honey."

This is commercial fraud. The Notre Dame SID worked with him to sell more tickets and try to win Teo the Heisman. It needs to be prosecuted, if for no other reason than to see how high in the school's hierarchy the conspiracy goes.
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While I agree 1000% with your statement, do you really believe that there is anyone out there that would actually bring such charges, and put the administration at Notre Dame on the stand?

and if so, do you believe that Notre Dame would not simply set up a fall guy and scapegoat and sweep everything under the rug in true elitist Catholic priesthood manner?

I ask in all seriousness.
 
vowelguy said:
Do you know any Mormons?
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Yes. Not sure what your point is. And after watching a season of Amish Mafia (great TV btw) spare me the generalizations about what people of a religion do or don't do (priests and little boys, etc).

And since all football players are well educated on the ins and outs of religion, I'm sure nobody ever tried to talk to him about if he got any from this girlfriend out of deference to his religion. College athletes tend to be very respectful of such things.

And if they did...did he say he did it? Did he say he didn't do it? Or did he say he never met her in person? I'm much more interested on what some of his teammates might say than what he says.
 
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superjohn said:
Te'o statement and Notre Dame's statement does not match the Deadspin story at all. Not a wise move at all to keep lying, this is going to blow up and get a whole lot worse for Manti and ND.
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Cause Deadspin is the end all be all in media right? And this would be the first time the media EVER EVER was incorrect on something? Maybe all of you should not care so much about what you are proclaiming as the downfall of a person you don't even know, but only apparently despise because he plays at Notre Dame. All of you need to get a life.
 
UConn07 said:
Cause Deadspin is the end all be all in media right? And this would be the first time the media EVER EVER was incorrect on something? Maybe all of you should not care so much about what you are proclaiming as the downfall of a person you don't even know, but only apparently despise because he plays at Notre Dame. All of you need to get a life.
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Funniest post of the day nominee
 
UConn07 said:
Cause Deadspin is the end all be all in media right? And this would be the first time the media EVER EVER was incorrect on something? Maybe all of you should not care so much about what you are proclaiming as the downfall of a person you don't even know, but only apparently despise because he plays at Notre Dame. All of you need to get a life.
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The downfall of an overhyped guy who will pull down more money in the next couple of years than most BYers will see in their lives.

And of course it is great because he is an ND guy. And a Heisman candidate. And in the middle of a NC run.

(Everyone on the BY needs to get a life. Me included. Just sayin')
 
UConn07 said:
Cause Deadspin is the end all be all in media right? And this would be the first time the media EVER EVER was incorrect on something? Maybe all of you should not care so much about what you are proclaiming as the downfall of a person you don't even know, but only apparently despise because he plays at Notre Dame. All of you need to get a life.
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Lol yea right guy. When cbs abc and nbc morning shows along with espn and other sports outlets are nonstop covering the storry of course its the boneyard who's wrong to talk about it. This kid is a loser and a liar. Nd is going to do its best to sweep. Let's follow ur advice and let them do that. Ill let the major networks know not to talk about it
 
UConn07 said:
Cause Deadspin is the end all be all in media right? And this would be the first time the media EVER EVER was incorrect on something? Maybe all of you should not care so much about what you are proclaiming as the downfall of a person you don't even know, but only apparently despise because he plays at Notre Dame. All of you need to get a life.
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UConn07 said:
Cause Deadspin is the end all be all in media right? And this would be the first time the media EVER EVER was incorrect on something? Maybe all of you should not care so much about what you are proclaiming as the downfall of a person you don't even know, but only apparently despise because he plays at Notre Dame. All of you need to get a life.
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... Says Lennay Kekua.
 
UConn07 said:
Cause Deadspin is the end all be all in media right? And this would be the first time the media EVER EVER was incorrect on something? Maybe all of you should not care so much about what you are proclaiming as the downfall of a person you don't even know, but only apparently despise because he plays at Notre Dame. All of you need to get a life.
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The media was wrong on this one for sure. Wrong in not checking out this girlfriend story before they ran with it non stop. Deadspin trumped everyone on this and should be celebrating. And I am not sure we are celebrating anyone's "downfall" just yet because we still don't know for sure what the deal is.

The kid was either totally fooled, in which case he is basically dumb and is also a liar for embellishing the story, or he was in on it in an effort to generate publicity which makes him a lowlife of the highest order. The third possiblility is that he is gay and felt the need to cover it up somehow by creating a fake relationship. If this were to be the case, he could actually come out of this as a pretty sympathetic figure in my opinion.

No matter what, it should be interesting to hear him try and explain it.
 
The only thing that makes sense is that his grandmother was also his girlfriend.
 
UConn07 said:
Cause Deadspin is the end all be all in media right? And this would be the first time the media EVER EVER was incorrect on something? Maybe all of you should not care so much about what you are proclaiming as the downfall of a person you don't even know, but only apparently despise because he plays at Notre Dame. All of you need to get a life.
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Deadspin is a media outlet with biases just like all the rest. The difference is they could care less about protecting the image of Teo or Notre Dame, whereas NBC or ESPN balk at running a story like this.
It's not the guy's downfall. In a few months he's going to sign a contract for more money than most of us will make in our career. The prestige that comes with that also brings scrutiny upon your life and day-to-day activities. There were lies told. Those lies were portrayed to the general public as a sad, heartfelt story. So now the general public would like to know the truth. He doesn't have to tell us, but at this point, every media hack from Stockton to South Bend is digging. It's going to come out one way or the other.
 
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Carl Spackler said:
While I agree 1000% with your statement, do you really believe that there is anyone out there that would actually bring such charges, and put the administration at Notre Dame on the stand?

and if so, do you believe that Notre Dame would not simply set up a fall guy and scapegoat and sweep everything under the rug in true elitist Catholic priesthood manner?

I ask in all seriousness.
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The answer to #1 is that Notre Dame is a private school, and does not have the power politically in its state that IU would have. It can't. There have to be plenty of politicians in Indiana that just don't like ND. Whether the AG is one or not, I have no idea.

As to your second question, of course the institution would (if it did something) try to push it down to as low a level of responsibility as possible. Just like PSU did. But no employee is going to take the fall with a criminal prosecution for something they were directed to do. If there is a criminal investigation, these tough guy jocks and wannabees in the athletic department will all fold like three dollar suitcases.
 
J187Money said:
Yes. Not sure what your point is. And after watching a season of Amish Mafia (great TV btw) spare me the generalizations about what people of a religion do or don't do (priests and little boys, etc).
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You understand that show is complete BS, right? It's about as true as those storage wars or repo shows.
 
For those of you who are rampaging on that he may be gay, someone at ND's rival board said he was "hooking up" with a large number of girls at St Mary's.

Jimmy Serrano, you can't look away because you are attracted to Chris Crocker. :p
 
J187Money said:
Yes. Not sure what your point is. And after watching a season of Amish Mafia (great TV btw) spare me the generalizations about what people of a religion do or don't do (priests and little boys, etc).

And since all football players are well educated on the ins and outs of religion, I'm sure nobody ever tried to talk to him about if he got any from this girlfriend out of deference to his religion. College athletes tend to be very respectful of such things.

And if they did...did he say he did it? Did he say he didn't do it? Or did he say he never met her in person? I'm much more interested on what some of his teammates might say than what he says.
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If he were a Boston Irish Catholic, I'd say there's no friggin way he could be so naive. That's mainstream northeast, and we are a very cynical, skeptical folk. But Samoan Mormon from Hawaii? That's a *lot* more insular. No, not all Mormons or Hawaiians, but it is more conceivable that one such person from that community could be gullible. Not likely. But possible I guess.

Secondly, know anyone gay? Ask him (or her) if he ever deflected or outright lied about romantic involvement to conceal his orientation? People do it all the time, and they become quite adept at it.
 
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WhereistheDove? said:
You understand that show is complete BS, right? It's about as true as those storage wars or repo shows.
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Complete BS? Of course you know that for a fact. So you would say that 100% of Amish people never do drugs / commit any crimes / and behave 100% by the letter of Amish law?

Clearly you have to take all of those shows with a grain of salt. But I'm not buying the "he's Mormon, so of course nobody ever asked him about his sex life"...
 
vowelguy said:
If he were a Boston Irish Catholic, I'd say there's no friggin way he could be so naive. That's mainstream northeast, and we are a very cynical, skeptical folk. But Samoan Mormon from Hawaii? That's a *lot* more insular. No, not all Mormons or Hawaiians, but it is more conceivable that one such person from that community could be gullible. Not likely. But possible I guess.

Secondly, know anyone gay? Ask him (or her) if he ever deflected or outright lied about romantic involvement to conceal his orientation? People do it all the time, and they become quite adept at it.
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Yes, including family members. And of course they lied.

To keep it simple, all I'm saying is this:

He was not / is not being 100% honest about this. Whether he was in it from the beginning or just went along with it as it spiraled out of control, who knows? But to claim he was the victim of an elaborate hoax just doesn't ring true to me. Not one bit.
 
businesslawyer said:
The answer to #1 is that Notre Dame is a private school, and does not have the power politically in its state that IU would have. It can't. There have to be plenty of politicians in Indiana that just don't like ND. Whether the AG is one or not, I have no idea.

As to your second question, of course the institution would (if it did something) try to push it down to as low a level of responsibility as possible. Just like PSU did. But no employee is going to take the fall with a criminal prosecution for something they were directed to do. If there is a criminal investigation, these tough guy jocks and wannabees in the athletic department will all fold like three dollar suitcases.
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I have a hard time believing ND is complicit in this given Swarbick's statements yesterday during the presser. He does not strike me as a stupid man and it would be stupid to say the things he did not being near 100% confident that ND and its SID were not complicit.

I think this kid let this thing get away from him and either very consciously or to some level subconsciously did so for his own promotion.

I'm no ND fan and as a Catholic, I think much of the ND schtik is total and utter bull , but it's my strong sense that this one is largely on Teo. That all said, if ND is complicit, Swarbick is a dead man.
 
J187Money said:
Yes, including family members. And of course they lied.

To keep it simple, all I'm saying is this:

He was not / is not being 100% honest about this. Whether he was in it from the beginning or just went along with it as it spiraled out of control, who knows? But to claim he was the victim of an elaborate hoax just doesn't ring true to me. Not one bit.
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And my conclusion simply takes that one step further. The Notre Dame SID had way, way to much of a role as an intermediary between Tao and the press to not know that this story had swiss cheese size holes in it while they were feeding it to the media to promote their university and football program.

Frankly, I would love to be proven wrong on this. But my instinct tells me otherwise.
 
businesslawyer said:
The answer to #1 is that Notre Dame is a private school, and does not have the power politically in its state that IU would have. It can't. There have to be plenty of politicians in Indiana that just don't like ND. Whether the AG is one or not, I have no idea.

As to your second question, of course the institution would (if it did something) try to push it down to as low a level of responsibility as possible. Just like PSU did. But no employee is going to take the fall with a criminal prosecution for something they were directed to do. If there is a criminal investigation, these tough guy jocks and wannabees in the athletic department will all fold like three dollar suitcases.
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I wonder who, if anyone, would actually bring charges. Something about it all, makes me think that this was a very popular college football player, who decided to play some games with social media forums, which is not unusual, but let it get way, too far out of hand. That there was some kind of fraud, and criminal behavior that eventually came out of it? I leave that to the lawyers to decide, and I think you've made it clear that is very likely the case. Was anyone harmed? Don't know. I don't know how a matter would proceed in the courts.

What I do know, is that it's damn interesting to find out who knew what, and how far up the ladder it actually went, because this guy's media personality, was most definitely pushed, to sell the image of Notre Dame, move tickets, increase donations, and make a run at the Heisman trophy, which most definitely would bring further monetary accolades.

More reason to despise Notre Dame, for me.
 
J187Money said:
Complete BS? Of course you know that for a fact. So you would say that 100% of Amish people never do drugs / commit any crimes / and behave 100% by the letter of Amish law?

Clearly you have to take all of those shows with a grain of salt. But I'm not buying the "he's Mormon, so of course nobody ever asked him about his sex life"...
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How in the hell did you draw all of that from my comment?! The only thing I said is that the show is BS, which by MANY expert accounts, is true. I never said that all Amish people follow every rule of their religion completely or that they don't do anything illegal. The notion of this mafia in the community and a lot of the stuff they portray is 100% false. He's an unbaptized Amish man (doesn't exist), one of the store owners portrayed to have paid "protection money" already came out and said it's BS, the police department they cite in the show does not actually exist, news outlets are having difficulty even getting a comment on this show from Amish or Mennonite communities because they don't like the media attention (so how would they get all these people to participate in a show), and many more things. On top of that, when did I ever say anything to the extent of "he's Mormon, so of course nobody ever asked him about his sex life"?

http://lancasteronline.com/article/...Lancaster-County-viewers-weigh-in.html?page=0
 
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