OT - Sterling Banned For Life and Receives a $2.5M Fine

[Leebo]

Seriously, people. How dumb are you trying to make us look?

Perhaps his account is a conspiracy to make Andre Drummond look bad.

 

[storrsroars]

Among all the hype, I'm looking for real 'damage' here. Didn't notice that he was in any violation of contracts.
the players are protesting, but none are sitting out any games. Doc Rivers said that "if it were up to me", the fans should stay away from the games. But if he is so outraged, why doesn't he stay away from the games? Those $20M pay checks must outweigh any personal skin in this game.

Let's follow the other money.

The woman who spilled the beans is a case in herself. According to Yahoo News and curt papers, she changed her name from Perez to Stiviano in 2010 as she had not "yet been fully accepted because of my race."

She is being sued by Sterling's wife as Stiviano “engages in conduct designed to target, befriend, seduce and then entice, cajole, borrow from, cheat and/or receive as gifts transfers of wealth from wealthy older men.” The suit charges that Rochelle Sterling believed the $1.8 million duplex in which Stiviano now resides was being purchased in the Sterlings' names, and that Stiviano has received gifts including four cars (two Bentleys, one Ferrari, and one Range Rover) and about $240,000 in "living expenses." The allegation, then, is that Donald Sterling gave Stiviano about $2 million in community property without Rochelle Sterling's knowledge. Do I smell motivation??

What is startling is that, while no teams were for sale, Magic Johnson and his partners, Guigenheim Partners, have conveniently stepped forward to express interest in a team, and in 3 days, the NBA has decided to dump Sterling, creating just such an opportunity. Do I smell a bum's rush??

Oh, and Donald Trump agrees that Sterling was set up by a very bad girlfriend.

So how much did the Gugie team slip her???

Lastly, the race card bait. The ample PR being supplied frames the race issue. The guy probably said it, etc, etc. But with 30 years of apparent dismay and no action, why now? The race card pros have chimed in. Yesterday, Rush Limbaugh pointed to the hypocrisy of Jesse 'hymie town' Jackson (as he called him on his show) chiming in. Even the pres had time to ignore Bengazi to add his 2 cents. The $64 question is: did I miss comments by Al Sharpton - the premier shake-down artist?? In this environment, race sells, and everyone is talking about race, and therefor distracted from the . Bait and switch the narrative. Doug Henning would be pleased! Banned for life?

Follow the . But I wonder what he can get for the team?? Stay tuned to see how many bidders there are.

Sorry you are all looking at the babe in the bleachers while home plate was stolen.

I'm sorry, I threw up on my keyboard when you brought up Donald Trump. Like that scumbucket is a moral compass? C'mon.
I wish the Scots had drawn and quartered that when he visited there since nobody here seems inclined.
I don't get how a guy who doesn't pay his debts and walks over whomever he chooses is seen as a pillar of capitalism.

 

[whaler11]

Ban and forcing him to sell team is fine.

If Magic Johnson tries to buy the team... I think that makes him look really bad.

 

[Walker11]

I guess we are all bonded by our shared UConn fandom, but WOW! We have some serious POS on this forum. I love these threads that reveal posters true colors. STB amd Gtcam showed themselves a while ago but thanks ucannuconn.

 

[tzznandrew]

I guess we are all bonded by our shared UConn fandom, but WOW! We have some serious POS on this forum. I love these threads that reveal posters true colors.

See, I feel the opposite. I hate these threads, and hate that they're just relevant enough to basketball that they aren't shuttled over to the Cesspool immediately.

 

[UconnU]

I guess we are all bonded by our shared UConn fandom, but WOW! We have some serious POS on this forum. I love these threads that reveal posters true colors. STB amd Gtcam showed themselves a while ago but thanks ucannuconn.

Dont go there. Dont do it. Im not that person. The best man at my wedding was my best friend floyd a black man. But this whole thing feels fishy to me. I dont trust her. She recorded 100 hours. the recording I heard sounded like an old senial jealous man whos taking shots at the younger men his gf is hanging out with one of which is an iconic figure for your in town rival. Not a wildly racist rant. I dont believe the man is a racist.

 

[Leebo]

I dont believe the man is a racist.

You're out on a limb there, buddy. This is the guy who didn't want to rent apartments to black people because "they smell and attract vermin."

 

[Walker11]

. I dont believe the man is a racist.

The same guy who asked Rollie Massimino, " I wanna know why you think you can coach these n******." Get some facts.

 

[huskyhaven]

This is just mind boggling... the man is a liberal democrat who was donating money to the NAACP employs mostally black people. He was jealous of the much younger better looking black people his GF was hanging out with and made wrong insensitive remarks in private. Imagine the stuff we would hear if we listened to private conversations between black players? There is a huge double standard. How many times has jay-Z made s e xist, homophobic, or racist comments on his tracks?

He is a registered Republican and donated money to democratic politicians for his business interests. Just saying

 

[champs99and04]

Dont go there. Dont do it. Im not that person. The best man at my wedding was my best friend floyd a black man. But this whole thing feels fishy to me. I dont trust her. She recorded 100 hours. the recording I heard sounded like an old senial jealous man whos taking shots at the younger men his gf is hanging out with one of which is an iconic figure for your in town rival. Not a wildly racist rant. I dont believe the man is a racist.

What don't you get about the fact that this isn't an isolated incident?

Honestly, if not for the context of Sterling's prior transgressions, this situation would make me uncomfortable. I'm firmly in the camp that believes Sterling is a racist POS, but I don't like the idea of personal conversations being broadcast to the public and punishments being distributed as if the comments were on record. If it were anybody but Sterling, I would still find the comments deplorable, but I'd be opposed to any drastic action being taken by the league because of the circumstances under which the comments were made. In other words, when a situation like this arises, I'm generally in favor of letting the market dictating retribution.

At this point, though, Sterling's comments only signal a sad, inevitable resolution to an owner that was never going to exit in graceful terms. And really, the comments reflect poorly on Stern because it never should have gotten to this point.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Dont go there. Dont do it. Im not that person. The best man at my wedding was my best friend floyd a black man. But this whole thing feels fishy to me. I dont trust her. She recorded 100 hours. the recording I heard sounded like an old senial jealous man whos taking shots at the younger men his gf is hanging out with one of which is an iconic figure for your in town rival. Not a wildly racist rant. I dont believe the man is a racist.

This is the first post I've seen directly state that Sterling is not a racist.

Take a mulligan here.

 

[tzznandrew]

The desire to defend a person, and to call what he said "mildly racist," just baffles me.

And that's on wildly misguided and ill-informed end of the scale.

We've got other people on this thread citing Donald Trump as an authority figure and another who actually used the words "black vermin."

I'm someone who thinks we should be careful throwing around the term "racist" to describe people. Instead, I'm generally in favor of pointing out racist "things." Not everyone who says something racist is a racist. Often, they are just ignorance. When we call everyone who says a racist thing a racist, it flattens them in ways that end dialogues, and it devalues actual racists. You know, the ones who do (more importantly) and say (still significant) the types of things that Sterling has. Or people turn people into non-humans by calling them "vermin." That is legitimately scary.

 

[UconnU]

The desire to defend a person, and to call what he said "mildly racist," just baffles me.

And that's on wildly misguided and ill-informed end of the scale.

We've got other people on this thread citing Donald Trump as an authority figure and another who actually used the words "black vermin."

I'm someone who thinks we should be careful throwing around the term "racist" to describe people. Instead, I'm generally in favor of pointing out racist "things." Not everyone who says something racist is a racist. Often, they are just ignorance. When we call everyone who says a racist thing a racist, it flattens them in ways that end dialogues, and it devalues actual racists. You know, the ones who do (more importantly) and say (still significant) the types of things that Sterling has. Or people turn people into non-humans by calling them "vermin." That is legitimately scary.

I dont know the mans past but I listened to the recordings I think they are mildly racist at best. It was a man whos jealous of the men his gf is hanging out with. There was no racist rant dropping the n word. The whole conversation was dictated by her steering him in a certain direction. It takes a certain kind of crazy to record a private conversation and sell it to the media. The media blitz was a total overreaction. Dont call me a racist dont drag me through the mud thats not me

 

[sammydabiz]

I guess we are all bonded by our shared UConn fandom, but WOW! We have some serious POS on this forum. I love these threads that reveal posters true colors. STB amd Gtcam showed themselves a while ago but thanks ucannuconn.

See, I feel the opposite. I hate these threads, and hate that they're just relevant enough to basketball that they aren't shuttled over to the Cesspool immediately.

"It's better to know and be disappointed, than to never know and always wonder."

 

[UConn990411]

I dont know the mans past but I listened to the recordings I think they are mildly racist at best. It was a man whos jealous of the men his gf is hanging out with. There was no racist rant dropping the n word. The whole conversation was dictated by her steering him in a certain direction. It takes a certain kind of crazy to record a private conversation and sell it to the media. The media blitz was a total overreaction. Dont call me a racist dont drag me through the mud thats not me

Then maybe you should educate yourself, because you're making yourself look foolish right about now.

 

[David 76]

Happy the NBA acted so quickly. I was actually pretty shocked at the severity of the consequence.

But I am also shocked at how hard it is for people to discuss bigotry. A couple posters don't even concede that Nelson is a bigot. I would ask if your private conversations sound like his. If yes, you too are a bigot. If no, then you should understand that his being tricked into his words becoming public is irrelevant.

Some feel he shouldn't be punished for his sick attitude because it is a personal opinion, not an action. I can understand this but I disagree given this situation. Our sports leagues are 1) not entirely private businesses. 2)There are individual owners but they are collectively in business in a league. 3) That league must support the 85% of their employees who are black 4) not doing so would cause a PR nightmare 5) it is morally right to respond.

Others are uncomfortable with the whole conversation and want it to go away

 

[mauconnfan]

http://time.com/79590/donald-sterling-kareem-abdul-jabbar-racism/

I can't imagine this but Kareem may have the most educated analysis of this whole circus……….

 

[UconnU]

Happy the NBA acted so quickly. I was actually pretty shocked at the severity of the consequence.

But I am also shocked at how hard it is for people to discuss bigotry. A couple posters don't even concede that Nelson is a bigot. I would ask if your private conversations sound like his. If yes, you too are a bigot. If no, then you should understand that his being tricked into his words becoming public is irrelevant.

Some feel he shouldn't be punished for his sick attitude because it is a personal opinion, not an action. I can understand this but I disagree given this situation. Our sports leagues are 1) not entirely private businesses. 2)There are individual owners but they are collectively in business in a league. 3) That league must support the 85% of their employees who are black 4) not doing so would cause a PR nightmare 5) it is morally right to respond.

Others are uncomfortable with the whole conversation and want it to go away

what're your thoughts on the jim irsay situation?

 

[mauconnfan]

Among all the hype, I'm looking for real 'damage' here. Didn't notice that he was in any violation of contracts.
the players are protesting, but none are sitting out any games. Doc Rivers said that "if it were up to me", the fans should stay away from the games. But if he is so outraged, why doesn't he stay away from the games? Those $20M pay checks must outweigh any personal skin in this game.

Let's follow the other money.

The woman who spilled the beans is a case in herself. According to Yahoo News and curt papers, she changed her name from Perez to Stiviano in 2010 as she had not "yet been fully accepted because of my race."

She is being sued by Sterling's wife as Stiviano “engages in conduct designed to target, befriend, seduce and then entice, cajole, borrow from, cheat and/or receive as gifts transfers of wealth from wealthy older men.” The suit charges that Rochelle Sterling believed the $1.8 million duplex in which Stiviano now resides was being purchased in the Sterlings' names, and that Stiviano has received gifts including four cars (two Bentleys, one Ferrari, and one Range Rover) and about $240,000 in "living expenses." The allegation, then, is that Donald Sterling gave Stiviano about $2 million in community property without Rochelle Sterling's knowledge. Do I smell motivation??

What is startling is that, while no teams were for sale, Magic Johnson and his partners, Guigenheim Partners, have conveniently stepped forward to express interest in a team, and in 3 days, the NBA has decided to dump Sterling, creating just such an opportunity. Do I smell a bum's rush??

Oh, and Donald Trump agrees that Sterling was set up by a very bad girlfriend.

So how much did the Gugie team slip her???

Lastly, the race card bait. The ample PR being supplied frames the race issue. The guy probably said it, etc, etc. But with 30 years of apparent dismay and no action, why now? The race card pros have chimed in. Yesterday, Rush Limbaugh pointed to the hypocrisy of Jesse 'hymie town' Jackson (as he called him on his show) chiming in. Even the pres had time to ignore Bengazi to add his 2 cents. The $64 question is: did I miss comments by Al Sharpton - the premier shake-down artist?? In this environment, race sells, and everyone is talking about race, and therefor distracted from the . Bait and switch the narrative. Doug Henning would be pleased! Banned for life?

Follow the . But I wonder what he can get for the team?? Stay tuned to see how many bidders there are.

Sorry you are all looking at the babe in the bleachers while home plate was stolen.

Doc did a really good job when he was just keeping his mouth shut………I mean please? You took millions and millions of dollars from this man who you KNEW was a "racist" right, but because you had a chance to win right away with a very good foundation of team you disregarded the past shortcomings of this man to WIN at all costs………now a tape makes you throw him under the bus? Hypocrite at its finest I would say!

 

[David 76]

Not familiar. But wrong to an individual is dealt with differently (in court). Always wished Ray Lewis and others got booted.

But that is irrelevant. What Nelson did wasn't criminal. It was disgusting and more importantly to the NBA, it was bad for business.

 

[David 76]

Doc did a really good job when he was just keeping his mouth shut………I mean please? You took millions and millions of dollars from this man who you KNEW was a "racist" right, but because you had a chance to win right away with a very good foundation of team you disregarded the past shortcomings of this man to WIN at all costs………now a tape makes you throw him under the bus? Hypocrite at its finest I would say!

So Nelson is the victim?

You don't know what Doc knew when. And he wouldn't be the first guy to keep working for a boss he learned was a j

 

[selles]

what're your thoughts on the jim irsay situation?

My thought is give me a guy who has a substance abuse problem over a guy who's a racist a hole when clean and sober any day of the week. The two aren't comparable.

If Sterling were the CEO of any major corporation, he would have been fired for this, and the NBA should fire him too.

I'm guessing most of those quibbling with the NBA action in this thread also complain about racial hypersensitivity as evidenced by affirmative action, etc. I want racial hypersensitivity to go away too. But you need to realize that it won't - and shouldn't - go away until people like you can recognize and condemn blatant racism and acknowledge that there should be consequences for it.

 

[RyMaN600]

Warriors Had the Blueprint For a Dramatic Boycott Ready to Go

It looks like Adam Silver's hand may have been forced a little bit. If Sterling was not banned for life and given the maximum fine, all of today's playoff teams were prepared to walk off the court at the opening tip.

That would have been an amazing thing to see.

 

[RyMaN600]

Oh, and this "it was all a setup engineered by Magic!" is pure nonsense. It turns out Sterling was fully aware that he was being recorded the entire time.

For the life of me I can't understand why so many people in this thread are desperate to defend this guy or make him out to be the ultimate victim in all of this.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

http://time.com/79590/donald-sterling-kareem-abdul-jabbar-racism/

I can't imagine this but Kareem may have the most educated analysis of this whole circus……….

You shouldn't be surprised. Kareem might be a prickly SOB but one thing he's never been is stupid. It's a fair point: we freak out a hell of a lot more about someone saying racist things than we do over some fairly obvious instances of racism in practice that we ignore every day.