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amory said:
My gut feeling is that DJ is finally gonna win one.
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Here's my take on the PGA:

Man, Golf misses Tiger. There will probably never be another Tiger. He was "must watch" Golf when he was in contention. He was the little white ball equivalent to Mike Tyson. Or Jordan. You just were compelled to watch him create historical statutes from unformed blobs of clay.

BUT.

Golf now is good. You got little guy without long game who is an ice-blood playmaker and is veeeery young. Check. You've got a likable, multi major winning, young gun, who, when not injuring his ankle, has the potential to offer a long term, intense rivalry with the playmaker. Check. You've got "most talented to never win a Major, and really, while we're thinking about it, the guy may be the most talented, period, but hasn't been able to do it when it counts." Check. You've got Jason Day, who not only has a hot wife, but who always brings his A game to majors. Check. You've got a cadre of name-recoginzable players who are in the mix at every major. Check. You've got a couple of older, well liked guys who are still a threat on any given Sunday to make a run. Check.

Golf is better than it's been since Mrs. Woods hit the best 9 iron of her life, upside Eldrick's head.

A new day.
 
Surprised nobody has mentioned today's action. It was a freaking roller coaster. At one point when Jordan was 6 strokes back and Day was surging ahead, I thought Day's gonna get his first. Then the double on 15 and par on 16. That's basically 3 dropped. I was really thinking if the vertigo doesn't come back, Day cruises to a major. But then that happened.

Spieth goes 6 under on the back nine with no bogies for the day and gets to within 2 and makes the final pairing.

Several other players surge from way back and the leader board is packed with players who can make a run. There are 7 players 5 back who can make a run and Dustin at 6 back can exorcise some demons with a 64.

My take is the winner comes out of the final pairing. Typically Jordan will be hitting first into the green and if Day can match his shots to the pin, Day gets his first. If he can't Jordan wins this by a couple.
 
Five players left.

Day
Spieth
Grace
Rose
Kaymer

Three of them have won majors, two of them have won multiple majors. Day's turn to shine. I am curious to see how the ratings play out tomorrow. Day/Spieth final pairing is a golf dream match up. Want to see how much crossover appeal there is right now.
 
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Day/Spieth is the best final pairing possible. Love it.

I was trying to put a curse on Rose through my TV screen last night so he wouldn't sneak into the top 2. Guess it worked.
 
amory said:
Day/Spieth is the best final pairing possible. Love it.

I was trying to put a curse on Rose through my TV screen last night so he wouldn't sneak into the top 2. Guess it worked.
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The last 3-4 groups are all very good. I like having Rose and Kaymer off a bit in front. Both have won majors and if they get off --1 or -2 before Day and Spieth tee off it will be very compelling TV.
 
Wife's gone for the day just me and beer to enjoy what surely will be a special final round this afternoon!
 
mauconnfan said:
Like those - Bubba for me is just not a likable dude. I'm sure he's okay but there's a lot of fake in him from what I read. Nonetheless he's USA so may need to root for him coming home.
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How did you like his interaction with the rules official over the ant hill?

For the record, I think it's assinine you don't get free relief from an ant hill. I'm actually pleasantly surprised the ant hill wasn't ruled a bunker.
 
Kept waiting for Day to slip up. He started to a couple of times and then quickly got things under control. Spieth just couldn't really mount a charge to put much pressure on him. Easily left two shots on the front side which would have changed everything.

Really got to give it to Day for keeping a pad on his lead and shooting the lowest score ever in a major.
 
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For golf fans the game is as healthy as it has been in a long time.

Spieth, Day, Rory and Adam Scott all have 15 more years in their prime.

Bubba, Kaymer, Rose and Zach Johnson still can pull a major or two out of their hats.

Keegan Bradley and Webb Simpson have won majors but aren't on the top tier right now.

DJ and Fowler better win soon.

Sergio looks to be going the Monte, Westwood and Donald route.

And then there are a bunch of hungry players who played well all Sunday.

For the next decade every major championship is going to have 5-10 players on the leaderboard with majors to their name and in their prime.
 
Chin Diesel said:
For golf fans the game is as healthy as it has been in a long time.

Spieth, Day, Rory and Adam Scott all have 15 more years in their prime.

Bubba, Kaymer, Rose and Zach Johnson still can pull a major or two out of their hats.

Keegan Bradley and Webb Simpson have won majors but aren't on the top tier right now.

DJ and Fowler better win soon.

Sergio looks to be going the Monte, Westwood and Donald route.

And then there are a bunch of hungry players who played well all Sunday.

For the next decade every major championship is going to have 5-10 players on the leaderboard with majors to their name and in their prime.
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Rickie is 26 he has a lot time left. Not a doubt my mind DJ wins a few majors in the next 5 years.

Two other guys who are young and will be in every major conversation for years to come are Brooks Kopeka and Hideki Matsyuma.
 
Jerry1714 said:
Rickie is 26 he has a lot time left. Not a doubt my mind DJ wins a few majors in the next 5 years.

Two other guys who are young and will be in every major conversation for years to come are Brooks Kopeka and Hideki Matsyuma.
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No idea why you would think Dustin will win one - he just doesn't seem to have the mental game to get it done. Amazing golfer in regulars, but I just don't see him holding it together for four rounds in the majors particularly after this year. Put Spieths brain in that body and Jack's records would be crumbling.

Rickie may get one but at 26 he's only won on tour 2 times in 6 years. Granted one is the Players which is impressive, but it's not like he's been burning up the PGA with wins. Not sure why you would expect him to win a major. It wouldn't be shocking to me if he got one, but I would guess it's unlikely. Other than 2014 where he had an impressive run with 2 seconds, a third and a 5th in the majors, his next highest finish is tied for 10th in 2013.
 
jleves said:
No idea why you would think Dustin will win one - he just doesn't seem to have the mental game to get it done. Amazing golfer in regulars, but I just don't see him holding it together for four rounds in the majors particularly after this year. Put Spieths brain in that body and Jack's records would be crumbling.

Rickie may get one but at 26 he's only won on tour 2 times in 6 years. Granted one is the Players which is impressive, but it's not like he's been burning up the PGA with wins. Not sure why you would expect him to win a major. It wouldn't be shocking to me if he got one, but I would guess it's unlikely. Other than 2014 where he had an impressive run with 2 seconds, a third and a 5th in the majors, his next highest finish is tied for 10th in 2013.
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Woops - he was tied for top 5 in the 2011 Open Championship. Same response, however.
 
Great major. Happy for Day, though I was pulling for Spieth. The #1 world ranking is quite a consolation prize.

I think golf popularity is going to blow up in the next few years. It's amazingly entertaining and there is so much young talent.

Felt bad for DJ on the first hole. Guy recovered spectacularly well though. He played a great round after that
 
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jleves said:
No idea why you would think Dustin will win one - he just doesn't seem to have the mental game to get it done. Amazing golfer in regulars, but I just don't see him holding it together for four rounds in the majors particularly after this year. Put Spieths brain in that body and Jack's records would be crumbling.

Rickie may get one but at 26 he's only won on tour 2 times in 6 years. Granted one is the Players which is impressive, but it's not like he's been burning up the PGA with wins. Not sure why you would expect him to win a major. It wouldn't be shocking to me if he got one, but I would guess it's unlikely. Other than 2014 where he had an impressive run with 2 seconds, a third and a 5th in the majors, his next highest finish is tied for 10th in 2013.
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If DJ could get 1 mulligan a round he'd never lose. Was +5 after 4, and finished -3. Spectacular, with a bogie on 17 also. Must be something about pressure at that level.
 
jleves said:
No idea why you would think Dustin will win one - he just doesn't seem to have the mental game to get it done. Amazing golfer in regulars, but I just don't see him holding it together for four rounds in the majors particularly after this year. Put Spieths brain in that body and Jack's records would be crumbling.

Rickie may get one but at 26 he's only won on tour 2 times in 6 years. Granted one is the Players which is impressive, but it's not like he's been burning up the PGA with wins. Not sure why you would expect him to win a major. It wouldn't be shocking to me if he got one, but I would guess it's unlikely. Other than 2014 where he had an impressive run with 2 seconds, a third and a 5th in the majors, his next highest finish is tied for 10th in 2013.
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DJ will win a major next year. 1 out of the next 4, I'm sure of it.

People are trying to act like he's so soft mentally, but time after time he's right back there at the top of the leaderboard after being disappointed. The guy is a freak athlete. Very soon things will go his way.

With Fowler, he's still young. He's the new Sergio. He'll always be popular and contend but probably won't win a huge number of tournaments. Won't be surprised at all if he gets 1 or 2 majors over the years, he's gonna play a long time.
 
TasteofUConn said:
Here's my take on the PGA:

Man, Golf misses Tiger. There will probably never be another Tiger. He was "must watch" Golf when he was in contention. He was the little white ball equivalent to Mike Tyson. Or Jordan. You just were compelled to watch him create historical statutes from unformed blobs of clay.
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Golf doesn't miss Tiger. Golf is in a better place now than it ever has been. I'd like to see Tiger come back and contend again, maybe he will, maybe he won't, but there is so much to like right now that it doesn't really matter.

Spieth just finished off Tiger's 1-year majors scoring record (-54 or something). The kid is 22. He shot 17 under par on a difficult course and LOST. To another likeable young dude who shot 20 under par in a major tournament. Tiger never did that.

I respect what Tiger did for the game of golf. He basically created these young guys by popularizing the game among youth. But Tiger had Phil to compete against, and that's pretty much it. If Tiger was coming up now, among all this talent, he wouldn't get close to the number of wins he has. He was mostly playing against paunchy old men. That's not to say he isn't one of the greatest of all time, he is. But there's a level of competition now that he never saw in his prime.
 
TasteofUConn said:
We're going to have to disagree on this. I'm no Tiger fan, but if you had Tiger in contention in today's round, it would have gone from excellent golf to epic.
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It's fine, more than happy to agree to disagree. But this is the same problem the NBA has now, comparing every post-Jordan player to Jordan and deciding they don't stack up.

Except in this case you have a guy like Spieth who not only is stacking up to Tiger at this point in his career, but there's data showing he's actually better. And we have an era now where there's parity in the competition so we don't have to have people betting on either Spieth or "the field" to win. Was that really so enjoyable when Tiger was just wrecking inferior opponents?

I wish we could put a prime Tiger in one of today's majors and see how it plays out.
 
amory said:
It's fine, more than happy to agree to disagree. But this is the same problem the NBA has now, comparing every post-Jordan player to Jordan and deciding they don't stack up.

Except in this case you have a guy like Spieth who not only is stacking up to Tiger at this point in his career, but there's data showing he's actually better. And we have an era now where there's parity in the competition so we don't have to have people betting on either Spieth or "the field" to win. Was that really so enjoyable when Tiger was just wrecking inferior opponents?

I wish we could put a prime Tiger in one of today's majors and see how it plays out.
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He wouldn 't intimidate them like it seems he used to.
 
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uconnfan68 said:
If DJ could get 1 mulligan a round he'd never lose. Was +5 after 4, and finished -3. Spectacular, with a bogie on 17 also. Must be something about pressure at that level.
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Even with a par on the first, it still leaves him 4 strokes back and in third even with a 7 under. He lost the tourney on day 3. He needed to post an early 18 or 19 under with a spectacular round to put pressure on the leaders.
 
I'm not a golfer but I love competition and always watch the majors. The game has been struggling for several reasons, most of all the destruction of Tiger. You can't really ask for a better deal just in terms of young talent on the tour. Rory, Spieth and Day seem to have separated themselves as the three best players in the world. They all are amazing talents and it doesn't hurt that they are all quality guys. The next tier is Fowler, Dustin Johnson and a couple others. In terms of quality players and classy young marketable talent the game should be in good hands.
 
Jerry1714 said:
Rickie is 26 he has a lot time left. Not a doubt my mind DJ wins a few majors in the next 5 years.

Two other guys who are young and will be in every major conversation for years to come are Brooks Kopeka and Hideki Matsyuma.
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Justin Thomas will have a great career with multiple major victories
 
amory said:
It's fine, more than happy to agree to disagree. But this is the same problem the NBA has now, comparing every post-Jordan player to Jordan and deciding they don't stack up.

Except in this case you have a guy like Spieth who not only is stacking up to Tiger at this point in his career, but there's data showing he's actually better. And we have an era now where there's parity in the competition so we don't have to have people betting on either Spieth or "the field" to win. Was that really so enjoyable when Tiger was just wrecking inferior opponents?

I wish we could put a prime Tiger in one of today's majors and see how it plays out.
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Let's watch it happen before we proclaim this. Jordan is amazing and playing great, I hope he does shatter records great kid. But a year does not make a career let's watch it progress. There's a lot of really really good golfers out there and there were when Tiger was out there. Just because his opponents are older now doesn't mean they weren't as good as what Jordan is facing that's ridiculous. If you want to bash opponents and competition you need to go back to Nicklaus who had a total of 5 guys who could win a big one besides him.
 
jleves said:
No idea why you would think Dustin will win one - he just doesn't seem to have the mental game to get it done. Amazing golfer in regulars, but I just don't see him holding it together for four rounds in the majors particularly after this year. Put Spieths brain in that body and Jack's records would be crumbling.

Rickie may get one but at 26 he's only won on tour 2 times in 6 years. Granted one is the Players which is impressive, but it's not like he's been burning up the PGA with wins. Not sure why you would expect him to win a major. It wouldn't be shocking to me if he got one, but I would guess it's unlikely. Other than 2014 where he had an impressive run with 2 seconds, a third and a 5th in the majors, his next highest finish is tied for 10th in 2013.
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Rickie also won the Scottish Open this year. He also beat Rory in the Korean Open a couple years ago. And the Players which he won is considered the 5th major and is considered to have the best field in golf. He had a top 5 in all of the majors by the time he was 25 and is #8 player in the world. I am at a loss as to why anyone who follows the game would think it is unlikely he would win one.

Do you realize Jason Day, who is older than Fowler, had 1 worldwide stroke play win before this year?

Rory and Dustin are the two most talented players in the world, Dustin has 11 PGA wins and with his talent and consistent presence in contention he will get one. Not a doubt in my mind.
 
I think we need to get realistic about any comparisons to Tiger, but I'm fine with doing so. But when someone starts winning as much as Tiger for as long as he did then we can talk. But the numbers are numbing when you think prior to the last 2 years he basically won 30-35% of the events he played in. We need to really hold back on the comparisons, even the haters should know that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Tiger_Woods

Still at 25.4% on wins vs events played after the last 2 years - amazing.
 
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