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geordi said:
If anyone believes that there is ANY punishment that would guarantee that something like this would NEVER happen again, I want some of what they are smoking. There's too much evidence that proves the basic stupidity of human nature. Twenty years from now most people won't remember this whole fiasco.
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What you say is true. The punishment must be great enough so that people will remember.
 
geordi said:
If anyone believes that there is ANY punishment that would guarantee that something like this would NEVER happen again, I want some of what they are smoking. There's too much evidence that proves the basic stupidity of human nature. Twenty years from now most people won't remember this whole fiasco.
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I agree with this. Given the same set of circumstances, this could have happened in any number of athletic programs around the country. It its core, this is what is wrong with the "win at all cost" attitude that has taken hold in bit-time college athletics. The only potential silver lining to this situation is that maybe....just maybe.....some perspective can be brought into college athletics. Frankly, I'm not hopeful.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
Bowl games and/or scholarship reductions.
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You may be right. And if you are, PSU and the NCAA will see a PR nightmare as has never been seen in college athletics and it will last for years.
 
You can not create a punishment that will keep sexual abuse from happening, but you can create one that will keep any cover up from being attempted.

A whitewash might be the best thing possible, the more people that realize the NCAA is a corrupt and evil organization, the faster the problems within it might get fixed.
 
Question about tv bans. Doesn't that punish the opposing institutions and their fans as well? If PSU is banned from tv, how would the opposing fans see the games?

While I get how it punishes PSU, I think it also hurts others who are only associated with PSU by schedule.
 
progrocks said:
You can not create a punishment that will keep sexual abuse from happening, but you can create one that will keep any cover up from being attempted.

A whitewash might be the best thing possible, the more people that realize the NCAA is a corrupt and evil organization, the faster the problems within it might get fixed.
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100% right on the child abuse aspect, but the punishment needs to reestablish who is in control at schools and that the school itself is ultimately accountable for the actions of it's leaders, whomever they may be. Ultimately the trustees at major schools should be put on notice as a result of this penalty. That's why thus can't be just about loss of football related funds and has to hit the broader institution.
 
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UCername said:
100% right on the child abuse aspect, but the punishment needs to reestablish who is in control at schools and that the school itself is ultimately accountable for the actions of it's leaders, whomever they may be. Ultimately the trustees at major schools should be put on notice as a result of this penalty. That's why thus can't be just about loss of football related funds and has to hit the broader institution.
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Well, I've obviously disagreed with this point of view for a long time here.

Who is in control is the President. Full stop. He should widen the circle to include admin. and faculty in certain decisions such as this one, and perhaps the police chief too. But what does going to the BOT accomplish? These are political appointees, many of whom were on the board of Second Mile. nothing.

Criminally prosecute coaches, administrators and the President if they violate the law. That should be reason enough to refrain from a cover-up. By the way, the PSU ex-President has been neither charged nor fired for his part in all this.
 
Don't you think it's a rather conspicuous argument that ESPN is making here? That bowl bans and scholarship reductions will be a de facto death penalty, as bad as? Who leaked that info to ESPN and characterized it as such? And why is ESPN repeating it as though it's the gospel.

1. Makes for good debate for all the hoo-hah that will drive up ratings in the next couple of weeks.

2. The NCAA will really try to pass that idea off through its partner, ESPN.
 
upstater said:
Don't you think it's a rather conspicuous argument that ESPN is making here? That bowl bans and scholarship reductions will be a de facto death penalty, as bad as? Who leaked that info to ESPN and characterized it as such? And why is ESPN repeating it as though it's the gospel.

1. Makes for good debate for all the hoo-hah that will drive up ratings in the next couple of weeks.

2. The NCAA will really try to pass that idea off through its partner, ESPN.
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Yep, when someone pitches something as being "as or more severe than", it isn't. If it was then they would let it speak for itself. If PSU gets a anthing less than one season ban on play, the NCAA needs to be disbanded.
 
If you think that President was in full control, then you still are in denial. Just like the maggots that rioted last fall.

The President should have been in full control, but he lacked the moral courage to do the right thing.
 
Okay details are starting to come out:
NCAA president Mark Emmert has decided to punish Penn State with severe penalties likely to include a significant loss of scholarships and loss of multiple bowls, a source close to the decision told ESPN's Joe Schad on Sunday morning.
But Penn State will not receive the so-called "death penalty" that would have suspended the program for at least one year, the source said.
The penalties, however, are considered to be so harsh that the death penalty may have been preferable, the source said.
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Bull and shit Emmert.

ESPN article
By the way, what is "unprecedented" is NCAA sanctions applied to a circumstance that doesn't directly involve NCAA rules.
 
upstater said:
Well, I've obviously disagreed with this point of view for a long time here.

Who is in control is the President. Full stop. He should widen the circle to include admin. and faculty in certain decisions such as this one, and perhaps the police chief too. But what does going to the BOT accomplish? These are political appointees, many of whom were on the board of Second Mile. nothing.

Criminally prosecute coaches, administrators and the President if they violate the law. That should be reason enough to refrain from a cover-up. By the way, the PSU ex-President has been neither charged nor fired for his part in all this.
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You are leaving out the substantial civil judgements that are sure to follow. Anyone in a position of authority who takes such things lightly doesn't belong in those positions. The moment the word, "liability" entered Spanier's brain was the moment this whole mess should have ended. Unfortunately, the job descriptions for these positions nationwide, now consist of more cocktail parties, than operating the day-to-day of a large organization.
 
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With the bowl ban expect an exodus of football players from PSU much like with the USC punishment that landed us Shoemate. I know there are no winners from this kind of situation but this is the time for our coaching staff to get on their horses and land us some players that can hopefully fill some holes and lead us to a BE championship.
 
I am completely against scholarship reductions. All that provides is x amount less kids receive a free college education. That is not a positive thing. Punish the program, not the kids who may, even with said punishment, want to still be part of it.
 
upstater said:
Well, I've obviously disagreed with this point of view for a long time here.

Who is in control is the President. Full stop. He should widen the circle to include admin. and faculty in certain decisions such as this one, and perhaps the police chief too. But what does going to the BOT accomplish? These are political appointees, many of whom were on the board of Second Mile. nothing.

Criminally prosecute coaches, administrators and the President if they violate the law. That should be reason enough to refrain from a cover-up. By the way, the PSU ex-President has been neither charged nor fired for his part in all this.
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At any public entity the board and or trustees are the ultimate decision makers over leadership and therefor hold the last line of accountability. It's like that at any public company, pension, charity or non profit. The issue in many companies is separating CEO and Chairmanships, and we are talking about a friggin football coach trumping all at the largest public entity & employer in the state of Pennyslvania. If something similar like this occured at a company and god forbid a financial entity there would be a public uproar like you have never seen and every one on those trustees would be breaching fiduciary duty.
 
I don't believe scholly reductions will accomplish much, due to the cult-like nature of Penn State's faithful. I have no doubt that there are plenty of talented football players who would pay for the "privilege" of playing for Penn State.

In some ways, I hope this is the straw that breaks the NCAA's back. For them to think, even for a moment, that penalties remotely similar in nature to those given out for free tattoos or what have you are appropriate in this instance... I guess I'll reserve full judgement until tomorrow. But a total 1 year football ban is entirely appropriate here, and I suspect the NCAA is going to have a lot of ire directed at it tomorrow for anything short of that.
 
If the NCAA doesn't give Penn State the death penalty, then there probably is nothing a school could do to earn that punishment.
 
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ZooCougar said:
If the NCAA doesn't give Penn State the death penalty, then there probably is nothing a school could do to earn that punishment.
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In the grand scheme this makes SMU, the U, Baylor, Enron, Worldcom and any other major corruption scandal look trivial in all aspects. This is institutional indifference toward children on the scale of what's taking place in N Africa. I hope Paterno rots and all those alive get their comeuppins in jail for their involvement. And I find the Paterno family statements despicable. This was rape of children on mass scale, shut upend move on Paterno family.
 
UCername said:
In the grand scheme this makes SMU, the U, Baylor, Enron, Worldcom and any other major corruption scandal look trivial in all aspects. This is institutional indifference toward children on the scale of what's taking place in N Africa. I hope Paterno rots and all those alive get their comeuppins in jail for their involvement. And I find the Paterno family statements despicable. This was rape of children on mass scale, shut upend move on Paterno family.
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Hopefully the penalties will be so bad that Penn State will just throw in the towel. But that seems like a longshot at this point.

The whole Penn State community seems to be rotten dumpster fire to me. I hope they never live this down. If they play football this year, I hope the home fans wear black when Penn State plays away games to show the school the general disapproval for covering up for an industrialized mass child rapist.
 
huskysupporter said:
I hear severe sanctions, and that is what comes to mind. I hope for the sake of the players who had nothing to do with this, that they do not. If something like that were to happen, the kids should be given enough time to transfer.
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And every school on their schedule.
 
UCername said:
In the grand scheme this makes SMU, the U, Baylor, Enron, Worldcom and any other major corruption scandal look trivial in all aspects.
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Don't include Enron in that group, they were intentionally cutting off power to California for profit. There could have been fatalities because of that loss of power. To this day that is a story that doesn't get the coverage it deserves. A very sinister story.
 
I am guessing (just my opinion) the penalty will be a bowl ban for 3-5 years, forfeiture of profits for 3 years, money to go to abuse prevention, scholarship reductions and no TV for home games. Scholarship reduction hurts only PSU as there are umpteen other programs where players can get scholarships, from Duke to SE Missouri State. Bowl ban hurts only PSU, no profits hurts only PSU and no home TV hurts mostly PSU although TV could be allowed with profits forfeited. Short of a death penalty, what else can you do? It would not be fair to PSU's opponents to pull the schedule at this late date so that option was probably rejected. There also could be imposed a home game limit of 4 or 5 games per season. None of this will ever be enough but I suspect my guess will be close to what actually happens.
 
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Stinger92860 said:
Please explain why this would be stupid?
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Because it would cause great detriment to the careers of the players currently on the team, who would not be able to transfer and would be forced to not play football for a year while not injured, and not able to go pro. All of whom, presumably, had absolutely nothing to do with this. The point of the NCAA penalty isn't to create even more unnecessary victims. If youre going to shut them down, shut them down in 13-14, and allow everyone to transfer next year penalty-free.
 
As I peruse the web looking for information, my prediction is that the penalties will underwhelm most of the non-PSU landscape, yet the PSU fans will scream that it's unfair. I believe the NCAA and PSU do not understand the PR storm that is about to unfold. I saw a statement by SNAP expecting the Death Penalty for years.Based on the leaks, I do not see this happening and as a result a significant backlash against both the NCAA and PSU. I can only hope that the civil suits bring PSU to it's senses over the next few years.
 
UCername said:
At any public entity the board and or trustees are the ultimate decision makers over leadership and therefor hold the last line of accountability. It's like that at any public company, pension, charity or non profit. The issue in many companies is separating CEO and Chairmanships, and we are talking about a friggin football coach trumping all at the largest public entity & employer in the state of Pennyslvania. If something similar like this occured at a company and god forbid a financial entity there would be a public uproar like you have never seen and every one on those trustees would be breaching fiduciary duty.
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We've been over this again and again and again and again....
 
ZooCougar said:
If you think that President was in full control, then you still are in denial. Just like the maggots that rioted last fall.

The President should have been in full control, but he lacked the moral courage to do the right thing.
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I have no idea what you're going on about. Continue in your forever ignorance.
 
SubbaBub said:
You are leaving out the substantial civil judgements that are sure to follow. Anyone in a position of authority who takes such things lightly doesn't belong in those positions. The moment the word, "liability" entered Spanier's brain was the moment this whole mess should have ended. Unfortunately, the job descriptions for these positions nationwide, now consist of more cocktail parties, than operating the day-to-day of a large organization.
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Not leaving it out, it just didn't pertain to what I was discussing. I was responding to someone who suggested the BOT should have had oversight.
 
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