OT: Pats

[UConn990411]

Just curious. What can Brady do that Rodgers can't? I can't think of a single thing.

Besides win more rings?

 

[HuskyHawk]

Hawk sorry sour grapes in a huge way. If Eli meant nothing to his wins then let's call Tom out too that's what I'm saying. His defense obviously kept him in the Giants games because he scored less points.

You're a good poster but this is pitiful! If this were the case then maybe Tom didn't win a couple others either, his defense did

Go Falcons!

2002 Brady was not instrumental. He was 16/27 for 134 yards. He was named MVP, but that was stupid really, as the defense shut down the greatest show on turf and won the game. Ty Law should have been MVP with his pick 6.
2004 Brady was MVP again and deserved it, going 32/48 for 354 yards and 3 TDs.
2005 Deion Branch was MVP but Brady was 22/33 for 219 yards and a 110 rating. 24-21 game.
2008 against the Giants. 17-14. A defensive game in which neither QB was very efficient. Giants had 5 sacks, someone on Giants D should have been MVP.
2012 it was another defensive game 21-12. Both QBs had good games, more efficient with similar stats. Eli had a QB rating over 100 and probably deserved MVP.
2015 Brady was MVP, went 37/50 for 320 yards against the best D in the league. Deserved it.

Eli is a solid QB. Good enough to win superbowl games with a strong defense. He's not a hall of fame QB in my opinion, and in his era is behind his brother, Brady, Brees, Roethlesburger, Rodgers and even Romo. He's above average for sure, which is plenty good enough.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Just curious. What can Brady do that Rodgers can't? I can't think of a single thing.

Reads defenses and adjusts the play call better. Makes his read progressions and releases the ball faster.

 

[NielsisGood]

I don't think they cheat or are dirty. Doesn't mean the rest of the league isn't sick to death of them.

Beat us then.

 

[NielsisGood]

Pretty sure you could plug Jim J. Bullock into Belichick's system and he would be successful.

It's cute when stupid people don't understand synergy.

 

[NielsisGood]

Belichick's system? He is an offensive coach.

You misspelled defensive.

 

[NielsisGood]

If by 'girly' you mean got a lot of girls, then yes, he was girly.

You think Brady hasn't run through the VS roster a few times over the years when he's married to the den mother? How unimaginative of you.

 

[NielsisGood]

The worse thing a coach could ever do when facing belichick is try to play chess against him, that's what the steelers tried to do.

Tbf what are other teams supposed to do? Belichick is so far ahead of everyone else in the sport where coaching clearly matters the most.

 

[NielsisGood]

It's still one of the top two greatest runs in football history. The only other that rivals it is the Packers of the late 50s/60s. Alas, the NFL of today and the NFL of yester-year are not the same game. That and living through it, makes my appreciate the Pats run a little more.

Always have to weight the modern era over stuff from 50+ years ago regardless of sport. Training and nutrition, salary limitations, free agency, media attention and scrutiny, evolution of any sport in general, better athletes, etc.

 

[NielsisGood]

Falcons have inarguably the best offense in the league, the game will be in a dome where Ryan has to have an advantage, and Pats really don't have a great secondary themselves. Atlanta's opponents averaged just 25 more ypg passing than did New England's, who enjoyed playing Ryan Tanehill, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and whoever threw for Buffalo this year lol as opposed to Drew Brees, Mariota, and Winston. I agree it'll probably be a serious shoot-out and am looking forward to it.

By the same token the Pats average margin of victory this year was 13 points, so they're frequently just killing clock in the 4th quarter of a lot of games.

 

[Dogdeacon]

I get the schadenfreude, but its like rooting against LeBron. Brady is 39 years old & just as effective as he was 6 and 12 years ago. He's not as athletic so can't make the spectacular plays that Aaron Rodgers makes, but those that thought Brady's window was closing 5 years ago have been flat out wrong, whereas it is much tougher for QB's that rely on their athleticism to survive at all (pure athletes can flame out in a couple seasons, veteran scramblers get injured or lose their edge). Also he and the Pats don't care about much other than winning. For fans your team getting to the finals is all you can root for and fulfills most expectations, Pats got there awfully easily this year, petty to poke holes in it.

 

[Deepster]

Reads defenses and adjusts the play call better. Makes his read progressions and releases the ball faster.

And you're basing that off what exactly? How do you know what Rodgers does in the huddle or at the line?

 

[upstater]

Of course I know Jeff George has a big arm but because I don't agree with you that he's "the best thrower in the history of the NFL" and "he looked very much like Aaron Rodgers" you go on to tell me I never heard of him or watched him play. After I tell you I watched his entire career you go digging up old articles on him, I just really don't understand your style or the way you often come to conclusions. Do you really expect every NFL fan to consider Jeff George to be "the best thrower in NFL history" and if they don't you assume they have never heard of him and watched him? It's just weird as is your post on Elway but I don't even want to get into that.

My conclusions are the conclusions of a great many people. And I didn't write only that he had a strong arm, but that he was really accurate, that he could do the things Rodgers can by throwing on the run with power and accuracy. This is what made him the best thrower. The whole point of this though is that, as a QB, the guy was a disaster.

 

[freescooter]

The Steelers have just filed a complaint with Goodell. They are saying Brady kept throwing to places they didn't cover.

 

[upstater]

Just curious. What can Brady do that Rodgers can't? I can't think of a single thing.

It's the short game, quick release, swing out passes. AND, most importantly, move around the pocket. Rodgers is good at all these things, but not on Brady's level. There are a lot of things Brady can't do that Rodgers can. He can't scramble, can't throw on the run with precision. In terms of accuracy, I think they are about even.

 

[mauconnfan]

By the same token the Pats average margin of victory this year was 13 points, so they're frequently just killing clock in the 4th quarter of a lot of games.

Well now you're not correct. Bill doesn't run clock out, Bill hammers people when they're down. Don't go there that's inaccurate.

 

[HuskyHawk]

And you're basing that off what exactly? How do you know what Rodgers does in the huddle or at the line?

Watching the games. Seeing how often he changes plays (not often) and how he locks on to certain receivers. He's amazing, but I think he will get better, as Elway did.

 

[mauconnfan]

2002 Brady was not instrumental. He was 16/27 for 134 yards. He was named MVP, but that was stupid really, as the defense shut down the greatest show on turf and won the game. Ty Law should have been MVP with his pick 6.
2004 Brady was MVP again and deserved it, going 32/48 for 354 yards and 3 TDs.
2005 Deion Branch was MVP but Brady was 22/33 for 219 yards and a 110 rating. 24-21 game.
2008 against the Giants. 17-14. A defensive game in which neither QB was very efficient. Giants had 5 sacks, someone on Giants D should have been MVP.
2012 it was another defensive game 21-12. Both QBs had good games, more efficient with similar stats. Eli had a QB rating over 100 and probably deserved MVP.
2015 Brady was MVP, went 37/50 for 320 yards against the best D in the league. Deserved it.

Eli is a solid QB. Good enough to win superbowl games with a strong defense. He's not a hall of fame QB in my opinion, and in his era is behind his brother, Brady, Brees, Roethlesburger, Rodgers and even Romo. He's above average for sure, which is plenty good enough.

Ben R - career - 64% 46,814 yards 301/160 TD/INT
Eli 60% 48,214 yards 320/215


Again, underrated by those who have lost to him in big games. He's beaten Brady twice and Farve and Rogers at Lambeau in the playoffs. But of course it was the defense he didn't make any big plays at all right? LOL

 

[HuskyHawk]

Well now you're not correct. Bill doesn't run clock out, Bill hammers people when they're down. Don't go there that's inaccurate.

Bill always shortens the game with a lead in the 4th quarter. Always. Passing plays get shorter, nobody runs sideline routes, and if the running game is effective they will run every down.

 

[StoweD210]

Bill always shortens the game with a lead in the 4th quarter. Always. Passing plays get shorter, nobody runs sideline routes, and if the running game is effective they will run every down.

Shhh...Some people want to look at some games from a decade ago and believe they've been happening every week, every season since then. And no other team in NFL history has run up the score on an opponent, ever.

 

[mauconnfan]

Shhh...Some people want to look at some games from a decade ago and believe they've been happening every week, every season since then. And no other team in NFL history has run up the score on an opponent, ever.

Excellent so funny too. Hey you guys have seen him rub it in to the Bills, Jets up 21 and still throwing in the 4th Q but I guess I'm whacked huh? Hilarious!

 

[BugsyCT]

Beat us then.

OK, lend us your coach. lol

 

[mauconnfan]

Pats are great , Brad's the best and Bill is even better. We good? And I am serious not making fun of the Pats they're great but this thread for 2 weeks seriously?

Move this the OP should've started in one of the other forums anyway.

 

[upstater]

I actually agree with @JSM1970 on this take. It's not the Patriots' fault. They're great and everybody else isn't.
I think New England and Atlanta would both get smacked by one of those Seahawks or Niners teams from 2013. I'm sure I'm in the minority, but the product isn't particularly compelling right now - Belichick and Brady converting lacrosse players to receivers running wide open through the defense isn't the type of football I want to see, unless it's my team. Brady is the best ever. Rodgers or Favre before him are way more fun to watch.

Didn't New England beat that same Seattle team in 2014? The 2014 Patriots team was actually not even as good as this one and they beat them.

As for flea flickers and plays like that, I always find those exciting no matter if it's my team or not.

 

[Deepster]

It's the short game, quick release, swing out passes. AND, most importantly, move around the pocket. Rodgers is good at all these things, but not on Brady's level. There are a lot of things Brady can't do that Rodgers can. He can't scramble, can't throw on the run with precision. In terms of accuracy, I think they are about even.

Watching the games. Seeing how often he changes plays (not often) and how he locks on to certain receivers. He's amazing, but I think he will get better, as Elway did.

I'm not buying a single bit of any of this. Seeing how often each changes the play? Moving around the pocket? This is hogwash. All things equal, opponent, neutral site, talent level on offense, etc? I don't know anything that either does better than the other one. Rodgers maybe has a stronger arm and throws a better deep ball, but when Brady had Moss, that certainly wasn't the case then.