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donyell34 said:
Mau, like and respect you dude but reading your posts here your coming off as a whiney b*t*ch.
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If I was a whining bitch I wouldn't say they were going to win and Brady is great as is Bill. Not sure what you don't get your fans are bandwagon fans it's that simple, they were zero until 2000's. Not all of them I am quite sure as I know quite a few older guys who liked the Giants for years but changed when things started changing like getting the team on TV, not just winning. These type as well as those who were fans before they became prominent in the game are really solid football fans. But if you are one of those pink elastic sleeve wearing fans then maybe you would think I'm whining huh? You know nothing about WesMass but many grew up Giant fans because they didn't get the Pats on TV because no one cared. Then poof, 2000's and Kraft, Brady, Bill and little by little it became impossible to get away from them, I've watched it in full bore. And the more there are the less there are of knowledgable fans who you can actually have a conversation with about the game itself. Sorry it's true at least in this area may be totally different in Boston, NH, ME I don't know I can only speak for the obvious.

But hey I'm whining - whatever still like and respect you too, for a few minutes more. I will wait to validate that after your next reply!;)
 
donyell34 said:
Your ******* nuts.
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Yep he is. Yesterday was crazy though huh, I mean people were WIDE open last night but some were the great routes thrown in by Bill and the OC, tremendous stuff where DB's had to choose who to follow and were wrong a lot. Thought it was fun to see the replay and how it was drawn out. But over the years and this year too he shows his laser accuracy on frozen ropes he needs the throw too. He's the real deal, think he's turned into a baby but he's the best no matter.
 
JSM1970 said:
You like watching this crap they play with little Brady slants and dumps

It's boring garbage
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No. It's unstoppable brilliance. All those slants and dumps are hot reads on the defensive coverage and pressure being exerted on the QB. They are more like backdoor plays on an over aggressive basketball defense.
 
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upstater said:
There are things Brady can do that Rodgers can't. That goes for Marino too. Marino was so stiff, he could not throw accurately to the flat. This probably goes for all QBs. There are things JaMarcus Nelson can do that no other QB can do. Jeff George was the best thrower ever. No one threw harder than Elway, etc.
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I don't know who JaMarcus Nelson is and disagree that Jeff George is the best thrower ever. I think Rodgers, Elway, Marino, Moon, Kelly and Favre are all better throwers than George. These are all just personal preference and opinion. I think Rodgers, Elway and Marino are better than Montana, Brady and Bradshaw.
 
I hope Beasely lights up Brady a couple times and they level those weasels Edelman and Hogan on crossing routes
 
Appreciate your post Mau. Seems you have some baggage there concerning the fans and as a giant fan in the middle of that has to suck. No not one of those type. My posts good or bad are just about football nothing about the fans. Notice what some of the giant fans post, lots of shots at Brady and Belicheck seems to be more in fun and just looking to get a shot at the Patriots. If you are on this side of the coin and read some of these posts it would be a different story same as if I was a giant fan. You have read my posts about the Giants who I like never a put down there. They win people are sick of them of it, as a patriot fan I get and take that as a compliment. I'm just having some fun ,going along for the ride and enjoying the view from here.
 
superjohn said:
I don't know who JaMarcus Nelson is and disagree that Jeff George is the best thrower ever. I think Rodgers, Elway, Marino, Moon, Kelly and Favre are all better throwers than George. These are all just personal preference and opinion. I think Rodgers, Elway and Marino are better than Montana, Brady and Bradshaw.
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Elway??? ELWAY?? The most inaccurate thrower often tossed into the pantheon? The guy used to drill balls into the ground. One of the most inaccurate throwers ever. Had a great 2 final years of his career. Probably because he was finally losing arm strength.

George could throw any pass. Too bad he had a 10 cent brain.

I can see why you are having such difficulty here. You seem to think QBing is about the strength of your throwing arm. It's not.
 
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JSM1970 said:
300 yards on dumps to little 6 foot speedstes (Hogan & Julian)

The pats are like bad college football, unwatchable. Football as a whole is a joke of a product regardless of the ratings.
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This is like saying, "if a baseball team doesn't hit tons of home runs, it's a joke". When Tom has deep threat players, he throws deep. He hasn't had many over the years. Look what happened when he had Moss. Hogan is a quasi deep threat, as is Gronk. Which is why he's been throwing deep more this year.

And Tom was throwing 10+ yards all day yesterday.
 
upstater said:
Elway??? ELWAY?? The most inaccurate thrower often tossed into the pantheon? The guy used to drill balls into the ground. One of the most inaccurate throwers ever. Had a great 2 final years of his career. Probably because he was finally losing arm strength.

George could throw any pass. Too bad he had a 10 cent brain.

I can see why you are having such difficulty here. You seem to think QBing is about the strength of your throwing arm. It's not.
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The guy who said Jeff George is the best thrower ever is calling me out, lol. JaMarcus Nelson is still wondering why you think he can do things that no other QB can do.
 
superjohn said:
The guy who said Jeff George is the best thrower ever is calling me out, lol. JaMarcus Nelson is still wondering why you think he can do things that no other QB can do.
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Jeff George had an incredibly strong arm, and not only was he very accurate, he could do it on the run. He looked very much like Aaron Rodgers. There is a big reason why George was the #1 pick in the entire draft. It was because of his throwing talent. I'm sorry that you never got to see him play. He could throw better than any of them...but he was a butthead on the order of Ryan Leaf.
 
upstater said:
Jeff George had an incredibly strong arm, and not only was he very accurate, he could do it on the run. He looked very much like Aaron Rodgers. There is a big reason why George was the #1 pick in the entire draft. It was because of his throwing talent. I'm sorry that you never got to see him play. He could throw better than any of them...but he was a butthead on the order of Ryan Leaf.
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I watched Jeff George's whole career, just because you come to these bizarre conclusions doesn't mean other people didn't watch and disagree with you. I watched George, Schroeder, Vick, Leaf, Cunningham, every game Cutler has played as a Bear, Stafford. There has been a lot of mediocre QB's with great arm strength. Please stop with this cr@p, I don't wish to argue with you. I'm sure I'll get a follow up after you watch videos of your make believe JaMarcus Nelson and his arm strength.
 
mauconnfan said:
Irrelevant why? Makes no sense, this would make Brady irrelevant then I assume in those 2 games he lost?
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The post said Brady doesn't want to see Manning. Brady is never on the field with Manning, he's irrelevant to Brady. The Giants D-Line is a different story. As to QBs a team might not want to face, Eli is not that high on the list and certainly wasn't the reason they won those games.
 
mauconnfan said:
Brady is the best ever because of his numbers and he deserves to be labeled as that. Joe Montana wasn't as good, Elway no, Peyton no - it's his now. The one guy with no leg to stand on who I believe may have always been the best was Marino but no measuring stick, have to win.
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If I needed a guy who had no running game to simply carry the offense throwing the ball, Marino would be the guy. His deep ball accuracy was insanely good. Couldn't move though, so needed a good OL. Fouts was similar but not as good.

Peyton to me is probably the best all around, in terms of reading the defense and throwing. Brady is with him on the mental side, maybe a touch behind throwing. Montana ran an offense with incredible weapons against defenses designed to stop run first teams but had great short throw accuracy leading receivers. Rodgers has all the tools, but I don't think he adjusts like Manning and Brady do, and defenses can trip him up as a result. He relies a bit too much on his athleticism to bail him out. Reminds me a lot of Elway, who won when he got older and learned not to rely on his athleticism all the time. Brees is underrated. Hell of player.

But Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
The post said Brady doesn't want to see Manning. Brady is never on the field with Manning, he's irrelevant to Brady. The Giants D-Line is a different story. As to QBs a team might not want to face, Eli is not that high on the list and certainly wasn't the reason they won those games.
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Hawk sorry sour grapes in a huge way. If Eli meant nothing to his wins then let's call Tom out too that's what I'm saying. His defense obviously kept him in the Giants games because he scored less points.

You're a good poster but this is pitiful! If this were the case then maybe Tom didn't win a couple others either, his defense did :confused:

Go Falcons!;)
 
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mauconnfan said:
Hawk sorry sour grapes in a huge way. If Eli meant nothing to his wins then let's call Tom out too that's what I'm saying. His defense obviously kept him in the Giants games because he scored less points.

You're a good poster but this is pitiful! If this were the case then maybe Tom didn't win a couple others either, his defense did :confused:

Go Falcons!;)
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Eli played well enough to win, thats all that really matters.

The guy I really feared the most though, believe it or not, was Tom Coughlin.

He's one of the few coaches for whom Belichick is not inside their head before and during the game. He knows Bill, spent a lot of time with him, and the 'mystique', so to speak, just isn't there. And he gets his guys to play like it.

Vast majority of the time, I think, sweet, we've got an advantage at HC. Never with TC on the other sideline.
 
mauconnfan said:
Hawk sorry sour grapes in a huge way. If Eli meant nothing to his wins then let's call Tom out too that's what I'm saying. His defense obviously kept him in the Giants games because he scored less points.

You're a good poster but this is pitiful! If this were the case then maybe Tom didn't win a couple others either, his defense did :confused:

Go Falcons!;)
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First game, Giants D got to him. Second Super Bowl, Brady had a very good game, at one point he completed about 20 passes in a row (I forget the exact number) and he broke the record.
 
superjohn said:
I watched Jeff George's whole career, just because you come to these bizarre conclusions doesn't mean other people didn't watch and disagree with you. I watched George, Schroeder, Vick, Leaf, Cunningham, every game Cutler has played as a Bear, Stafford. There has been a lot of mediocre QB's with great arm strength. Please stop with this cr@p, I don't wish to argue with you. I'm sure I'll get a follow up after you watch videos of your make believe JaMarcus Nelson and his arm strength.
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Just search online and you will see many many people saying the same exact thing I did about Jeff George. I mean, holy hell, you act like this is the first time you ever heard someone say that George had one of the biggest canons in NFL history, with great accuracy o his throws to boot. Warren Moon too, but what does he know?

Dan Marino and the NFL's 10 Strongest-Armed QBs of All Time
Who had the best arm in NFL history?
Top 10 QB Teases: Jeff George
Who Has the Strongest Arm in the NFL?
 
upstater said:
Just search online and you will see many many people saying the same exact thing I did about Jeff George. I mean, holy hell, you act like this is the first time you ever heard someone say that George had one of the biggest canons in NFL history, with great accuracy o his throws to boot. Warren Moon too, but what does he know?

Dan Marino and the NFL's 10 Strongest-Armed QBs of All Time
Who had the best arm in NFL history?
Top 10 QB Teases: Jeff George
Who Has the Strongest Arm in the NFL?
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Of course I know Jeff George has a big arm but because I don't agree with you that he's "the best thrower in the history of the NFL" and "he looked very much like Aaron Rodgers" you go on to tell me I never heard of him or watched him play. After I tell you I watched his entire career you go digging up old articles on him, I just really don't understand your style or the way you often come to conclusions. Do you really expect every NFL fan to consider Jeff George to be "the best thrower in NFL history" and if they don't you assume they have never heard of him and watched him? It's just weird as is your post on Elway but I don't even want to get into that.
 
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