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Husky25 said:
It's fairly obvious the League acted in bad faith, but Kraft has no grounds to sue. First, he has no support among the other owners and the owners are not part of an organized Union with collective bargaining against the League. They ARE the League. Second, the owners implemented rules in their franchise agreements where they can no longer bring legal action against each other or the League (Call it the Al Davis rule).
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intlzncster said:
Sure, but as someone said earlier in the thread, owners agree to not sue the league. And if they do, they become a pariah a la Al Davis. As one of the more influential owners, Kraft has too good of a standing in the league to risk jeopardizing that with a law suit, win or not.
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I agree with both of you, yet agreements induced by fraud aren't binding. For all his love for the league, it sure looks like that isn't reciprocal. I do think he realizes that accepting punishment was a mistake, in fact, I believe he's said as much.
 
August_West said:
But you can't hold a whole boneyard responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole boneyard system? And if the whole boneyard system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our blogging institutions in general? I put it to you, Fishy - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
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In the spirit of the evergreen "Shut-Up, Dove"....

Shut up and eat the Mojo sandwich, commie!
 
Hey wait, let's not be too hasty in judging the Pats fans. If they should win, we can go after the NCAA and Emmert for what they did to UConn. Seems we would have a much stronger case.
 
No joke, though. When Deflategate hit, the talk was of course Belichick knew about it. Stuff like, "No detail is too small for Belichick to use to get an edge" All that went away and the NFL made it a point to mention that the coach was not involved.
 
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Waquoit said:
No joke, though. When Deflategate hit, the talk was of course Belichick knew about it. Stuff like, "No detail is too small for Belichick to use to get an edge" All that went away and the NFL made it a point to mention that the coach was not involved.
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Yeah, but that's just paranoia. BB is in the heads of every other organization. They do all that bug checking etc, and they've never found anything. It's good for the Pats because it takes focus from preparation.

If you think the guys in the NFL, many of whom have serious, long standing beef with BB, would let him off the hook for anything, you're mad.
 
August_West said:
maybe, but you wouldn't actually sue the NFL, amirite?
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I'm sure there would be Giant fans that would sue. Maybe not you. But I guarantee someone would. I am a Patriots and Eagles fan and I think the lawsuit is stupid. But unfortunately it is not even close to the dumbest lawsuit I have ever heard about. It is our society today every one want's to sue. Then these same people complain about their insurance rates.
 
August_West said:
maybe, but you wouldn't actually sue the NFL, amirite?
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So your going to smear all of Pats nation with the moronic actions of a few lunkheads? (Cue Otter) The suit is stupid, but this isn't the work of a Gillette Stadium capacity crowd.

But I also disagree with the NFL taking away a first round draft pick from the Pats when the NFL has proved absolutely nothing about illicit ball deflation. (see the work at Carnegie Mellon, MIT, and pretty much any fifth grader in New England) And if it goes back to 'SpyGate'/taping, which was eight years ago, well, that's just pathetic.
 
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7774 said:
Not sure how anyone who grasps facts and science can think the Pats deserved to lose that draft pick. LOL Jets/Giants homers.
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I guess the only respectful answer to this would be who in their right minds doesn't believe the Pats should've lost that draft pick? LOL Pats homers;)
 
mauconnfan said:
I guess the only respectful answer to this would be who in their right minds doesn't believe the Pats should've lost that draft pick? LOL Pats homers;)
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Well, I'm a Bears fan. Couldn't be less surprising that you come down on the opposite side of facts and science though.
 
7774 said:
Well, I'm a Bears fan. Couldn't be less surprising that you come down on the opposite side of facts and science though.
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Not facts or science at all, it's what Kraft and #12 thought was ok right? Now they want it back? At one point they must have thought the NFL had something on them or else they wouldn't have said yes or is this not a fact?

Oh yeah and I'm a Giants fan and I don't like the Pats, why, because we beat them when we have to? Funny people actually think that only the Giants and Jets fans dislike Kraft and his organization there's plenty more. Funnier they think the Giants fans do for that reason? Jets I get but what do the Giants and Pats have to do with each other except a couple games every 10 years and a couple super bowls. I dislike the Eagels and Cowboys a helluva lot more we just don't talk about them all the time.

Oh yeah and I hope they get the draft pick back because who really cares?
 
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7774 said:
Well, I'm a Bears fan. Couldn't be less surprising that you come down on the opposite side of facts and science though.
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There are people out there who still believe Richard Jewell and the Duke lacrosse team are guilty. Once they've made up their minds, the real story doesn't matter. It's the same thing here.
 
mauconnfan said:
Not facts or science at all, it's what Kraft and #12 thought was ok right? Now they want it back? At one point they must have thought the NFL had something on them or else they wouldn't have said yes or is this not a fact?

Oh yeah and I'm a Giants fan and I don't like the Pats, why, because we beat them when we have to? Funny people actually think that only the Giants and Jets fans dislike Kraft and his organization there's plenty more. Funnier they think the Giants fans do for that reason? Jets I get but what do the Giants and Pats have to do with each other except a couple games every 10 years and a couple super bowls. I dislike the Eagels and Cowboys a helluva lot more we just don't talk about them all the time.

Oh yeah and I hope they get the draft pick back because who really cares?
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I have no idea about the politics involved in agreeing to give up the draft pick, as I don't know any of the individuals involved in the situation. I can certainly think of scenarios where they gave up the pick without thinking it was "ok". I do know that everything that happened with the footballs can easily be explained by science.

I assume people hate the Patriots mainly because they win the most by far, have a quarterback that's famous beyond just football, and a coach that irritates people with his demeanor. Even your team is far less successful than the Patriots, despite 2 Super Bowl wins. If the Patriots were a losing team most fans wouldn't care about this at all, just like you don't talk about the Eagles and Cowboys much.
 
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7774 said:
I assume people hate the Patriots mainly because they win the most by far, have a quarterback that's famous beyond just football, and a coach that irritates people with his demeanor. Even your team is far less successful than the Patriots, despite 2 Super Bowl wins. If the Patriots were a losing team most fans wouldn't care about this at all, just like you don't talk about the Eagles and Cowboys much.
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Super Bowl wins: Patriots 4, Giants 4.
 
zyron said:
Super Bowl wins: Patriots 4, Giants 4.
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I *think* he was only referring to the Giants' two wins over the Pats in the Super Bowl, where the Pats have never beaten the Giants.
 
mauconnfan said:
Not facts or science at all, it's what Kraft and #12 thought was ok right? Now they want it back? At one point they must have thought the NFL had something on them or else they wouldn't have said yes or is this not a fact?
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I'm pretty damn certain TB had nothing to do with Kraft accepting the penalty. You think Kraft would consult him on that? I bet Kraft informed BB, but didn't give him much say there either.
 
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mauconnfan said:
Oh yeah and I'm a Giants fan and I don't like the Pats, why, because we beat them when we have to? Funny people actually think that only the Giants and Jets fans dislike Kraft and his organization there's plenty more. Funnier they think the Giants fans do for that reason? Jets I get but what do the Giants and Pats have to do with each other except a couple games every 10 years and a couple super bowls.
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Dude, come on, you always do this. It's not about the Pats vs the Giants on the field. It's about Boston teams vs NY teams. The biggest inter city rivalry across sports. And it's also about you living smack dab in the middle of enemy territory, and having to put up with an insufferable cohort of fans as a result.

There's no doubt your root against the organization, if only in so much as it negatively impacts Boston fans.
 
August_West said:
Well apparently Kraft didnt think it malicious enough to fight it.
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That's more a function of the mafia-like way the NFL is run than anything else. "That's a nice team you got there, Kraft. Be a shame if something ELSE bad were to happen to it. "
 
7774 said:
Not sure how 1988 and 1991 are relevant in the current sports landscape. Or how success boils down to Super Bowl wins only.
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So let me guess, all that matters is the time period and measures of success that make the Pats look good.
 
8893 said:
I *think* he was only referring to the Giants' two wins over the Pats in the Super Bowl, where the Pats have never beaten the Giants.
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Yes, I was responding to a post that referenced the Giants beating the Patriots in Super Bowls. Guess I should have been more specific.
 
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