OT: Notre Dame to ACC...then UCONN?

[huskymedic]

Flipper isn't there. Fr. Leahy is gone too I believe.

That "no" a few years ago was totally Flipper and Leahy, who both hated UConn, it's clear that both were wrong then at lobbying to keep UConn out. With Flipper it was personal for other reasons. Both are now thankfully gone.

President Leahy isn't gone ... yet.

 

[Fishy]

I think the biggest problem that UConn will have is that Notre Dame isn't actually joining the ACC any time soon. And when they do, it won't be just UConn and Cincy in the mix - there will likely be some displaced Big 12 teams out there as well.

 

[intlzncster]

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[AZHuskiePop]

BC will be a "no" on UConn...today, tomorrow, and forever. I am as jaded toward UConn as anyone and even I can't come up with a delusional argument that BC will suddenly become UConn's advocate.

That said, BC's "no" is just one vote and, to be honest, it is the least important vote in the ACC. BC has not carried its weight and has failed to deliver the NE as it once promised it would do. BC can't argue they want be New England's team in the ACC while floundering in winning, ratings and athletic infrastructure improvement. In fact, in arguing against UConn, BC will only highlights its own failures and the critical void the ACC has in the New York to Boston corridor.

UConn should be more concerned about the ACC football powers. FSU, Clemson, Miami and Louisville are a very, very influential block and have far greater control than their 4 votes. Sadly, timing is not good for UConn since clearly our football program hit absolute rock bottom last year. Our best hope should the ACC look to add now is that the recent football success of Clemson and FSU and the rising football profiles of Louisville and Miami make a "pure football add" less of a priority than it was in 2012.

Personally I hope the immediate ND speculation is nonsense. UConn is not optimally situation to take the ACC admission test right now. A couple of years of +.500 football seasons would really help our candidacy.

I don't think BC is as anti-UConn now as they were just a few years ago.
BC's signature sport is Hockey and they certainly have a bigger voice in Hockey East than the ACC were they are an outlier. UConn gives them a little better geographic connection to the rest of the conference.
Many of the players who fueled the feud,I will include our sainted Jim Calhoun in that number, are no longer players. UConn as a conference mate does more for BC than any other team. Never overlook the value of having someone whose fans despise each other only two hours away.

 

[huskyrob1]

I don't think BC is as anti-UConn now as they were just a few years ago.
BC's signature sport is Hockey and they certainly have a bigger voice in Hockey East than the ACC were they are an outlier. UConn gives them a little better geographic connection to the rest of the conference.
Many of the players who fueled the feud,I will include our sainted Jim Calhoun in that number, are no longer players. UConn as a conference mate does more for BC than any other team. Never overlook the value of having someone whose fans despise each other only two hours away.

Could not have said it better. Let's hope Father Leahy retires soon, although he was not as anti UConn as Flipper was, who hated Uconn since his playing days at Springfield.

 

[huskyrob1]

I think the biggest problem that UConn will have is that Notre Dame isn't actually joining the ACC any time soon. And when they do, it won't be just UConn and Cincy in the mix - there will likely be some displaced Big 12 teams out there as well.

Whose to say that the ACC has to wait for Notre Dame to get off the pot, before they invite UConn. They could easily invite UConn tomorrow for either all sports or all sports except Football until ND comes on board. I could see them doing that just to prop up BC and Cuse and get first dibs on MSG over the B1G and the Big East basketball schools. Doing that would be the end for the Big Ten to capture the NY and Northeastern markets and Rutgers becomes a lonely outpost.

 

[intlzncster]

Louisville doesn't have a credible vote until the academic scandal is behind them. Influential they are not, at least right now. I would worry about FSU and where they sit on a UConn invite. BC will not say no, this time around. That "no" a few years ago was totally Flipper and Leahy, who both hated UConn, it's clear that both were wrong then at lobbying to keep UConn out. With Flipper it was personal for other reasons. Both are now thankfully gone. No way would we be playing them in Football this fall if both were still there. I am hopefully optimistic that UConn goes better than 500 this fall and maybe even beats BC in Fenway, Kevin Ollie rights the ship, and Geno wins his 12th title.

UCONN going to the ACC would be sooo beneficial for BC at this point. They need this type of regional rivalry. Be stupid to turn it down. Best thing that could happen to them.

We don't need the rivalry at all, but we sure as snow need the P5 invite.

 

[huskymedic]

Dick Weiss‏ @HoopsWeiss 56m 56 minutes ago
tim brando of fox reporting notre dame in conversations to become full time acc member.

Tim Brando‏ @TimBrando 13m 13 minutes ago
Replying to @HoopsWeiss
Let's pump the breaks here Hoops! I've stated there have been discussions, informal yes, but it's my strong opinion it's a matter of time.

 

[Stinger92860]

Could not have said it better. Let's hope Father Leahy retires soon, although he was not as anti UConn as Flipper was, who hated UConn since his playing days at Springfield.

Retires or whatever.....

 

[Orange87]

As a Syracuse alum/fan who detests UConn but loves the SU/UConn rivalry do you guys think that if ND goes all-in to the ACC that UConn NEEDS that other invite?

I gotta think it'd make or break time for UConn athletics, no?

As someone posted earlier in this thread UConn hoops was a bad team in a bad conference. How do you get better from there? What are you selling to recruits now?

If ND goes ACC and some other school gets the 16th spot (I can't imagine there is any other school that is more of a fit than UConn would be - Cincinnati? Blech), Isn't it a death knell? I mean, not literally, but how do you then attract those blue-chippers?

If UConn was in fact a bad team in bad conference, then Syracuse was a mediocre team in an exceptional conference. And that is really whats keeping the hoops program at SU afloat right now. The lost scholarships are having an effect on the court but the staff can still walk in to a recruit's home and sell the ACC.

For the record, I've wanted UConn to come to ACC since the Big East imploded. Its a win-win for everybody involved and I can't believe there's even a question as to not inviting the Huskies.

My apologies if you guys think I'm trolling here. I'm not I'm just genuinely curious as to your take on this.

 

[intlzncster]

As someone posted earlier in this thread UConn hoops was a bad team in a bad conference. How do you get better from there? What are you selling to recruits now?

If UConn was in fact a bad team in bad conference, then Syracuse was a mediocre team in an exceptional conference. And that is really whats keeping the hoops program at SU afloat right now. The lost scholarships are having an effect on the court but the staff can still walk in to a recruit's home and sell the ACC.

For the record, I've wanted UConn to come to ACC since the Big East imploded. Its a win-win for everybody involved and I can't believe there's even a question as to not inviting the Huskies.

My apologies if you guys think I'm trolling here. I'm not I'm just genuinely curious as to your take on this.

You tell recruits that we were super injured (which we were) and go from there. And then you dangle a National Championship from a few years ago and call it a day. Not that simple, but you get what I'm saying. The conference is only one reason we've suffered lately. It can be overcome in terms of BBall recruiting.

I wouldn't call the ACC exceptional last year, despite getting a bunch teams in the tournament -> they didn't do that great. A few good teams and that's it. It's usually a top heavy conference: Duke, UNC, and then a revolving cast of one or two other good teams. It appears Pitt, Cuse, and obviously BC have all regressed a bit since joining.

I wouldn't an call an ACC invite make or break, but it's certainly really f#@king important. It's the most likely P5 invite, so to be passed over would be brutal. Big12 isn't stable enough, but of course we'd accept in a heartbeat. B1G would be amazing, but I don't see it. BBall could always go back to the Big East, but I don't think that's good long term...and it would kill football forever.

 

[auggie22]

As a Syracuse alum/fan who detests UConn but loves the SU/UConn rivalry do you guys think that if ND goes all-in to the ACC that UConn NEEDS that other invite?

I gotta think it'd make or break time for UConn athletics, no?

As someone posted earlier in this thread UConn hoops was a bad team in a bad conference. How do you get better from there? What are you selling to recruits now?

If ND goes ACC and some other school gets the 16th spot (I can't imagine there is any other school that is more of a fit than UConn would be - Cincinnati? Blech), Isn't it a death knell? I mean, not literally, but how do you then attract those blue-chippers?

If UConn was in fact a bad team in bad conference, then Syracuse was a mediocre team in an exceptional conference. And that is really whats keeping the hoops program at SU afloat right now. The lost scholarships are having an effect on the court but the staff can still walk in to a recruit's home and sell the ACC.

For the record, I've wanted UConn to come to ACC since the Big East imploded. Its a win-win for everybody involved and I can't believe there's even a question as to not inviting the Huskies.

My apologies if you guys think I'm trolling here. I'm not I'm just genuinely curious as to your take on this.

Big East, and hope that it will continue to remain high enough profile to stay close to P5 in basketball. Football becomes whatever it may become.

 

[champs99and04]

If expansion ever comes up again, I could actually see the ACC turning us down because of the Nate Miles/APR issues. I'm not kidding - Louisville, Syracuse, and UNC having been awash in scandal over the last few years, they are not going to add a school that presents a PR problem to be their fill-in. If the numbers are close I still think rule #1 applies even if we are the best candidate.

 

[Huskyforlife]

If expansion ever comes up again, I could actually see the ACC turning us down because of the Nate Miles/APR issues. I'm not kidding - Louisville, Syracuse, and UNC having been awash in scandal over the last few years, they are not going to add a school that presents a PR problem to be their fill-in. If the numbers are close I still think rule #1 applies even if we are the best candidate.

They took Louisville.

 

[intlzncster]

If expansion ever comes up again, I could actually see the ACC turning us down because of the Nate Miles/APR issues. I'm not kidding - Louisville, Syracuse, and UNC having been awash in scandal over the last few years, they are not going to add a school that presents a PR problem to be their fill-in. If the numbers are close I still think rule #1 applies even if we are the best candidate.

I don't agree, especially with winning that APR award or whatever it is. We are now a beacon of light academically. I think the overall academic profile will be important, and UCONN is doing well there.

 

[August_West]

You tell recruits that we were super injured (which we were) and go from there. And then you dangle a National Championship from a few years ago and call it a day. Not that simple, but you get what I'm saying. The conference is only one reason we've suffered lately. It can be overcome in terms of BBall recruiting.

I wouldn't call the ACC exceptional last year, despite getting a bunch teams in the tournament -> they didn't do that great. A few good teams and that's it. It's usually a top heavy conference: Duke, UNC, and then a revolving cast of one or two other good teams. It appears Pitt, Cuse, and obviously BC have all regressed a bit since joining.

I wouldn't an call an ACC invite make or break, but it's certainly really f#@king important. It's the most likely P5 invite, so to be passed over would be brutal. Big12 isn't stable enough, but of course we'd accept in a heartbeat. B1G would be amazing, but I don't see it. BBall could always go back to the Big East, but I don't think that's good long term...and it would kill football forever.

ACC got a bunch of teams in and a bunch flamed out early and a ACC power won the title .
Can you say 2011 Big East redux?

If the big east was strong that year ( and we all like to say it was) . The ACC was great this year.

 

[manbyrd]

As a Syracuse alum/fan who detests UConn but loves the SU/UConn rivalry do you guys think that if ND goes all-in to the ACC that UConn NEEDS that other invite?

I gotta think it'd make or break time for UConn athletics, no?

As someone posted earlier in this thread UConn hoops was a bad team in a bad conference. How do you get better from there? What are you selling to recruits now?

If ND goes ACC and some other school gets the 16th spot (I can't imagine there is any other school that is more of a fit than UConn would be - Cincinnati? Blech), Isn't it a death knell? I mean, not literally, but how do you then attract those blue-chippers?

If UConn was in fact a bad team in bad conference, then Syracuse was a mediocre team in an exceptional conference. And that is really whats keeping the hoops program at SU afloat right now. The lost scholarships are having an effect on the court but the staff can still walk in to a recruit's home and sell the ACC.

For the record, I've wanted UConn to come to ACC since the Big East imploded. Its a win-win for everybody involved and I can't believe there's even a question as to not inviting the Huskies.

My apologies if you guys think I'm trolling here. I'm not I'm just genuinely curious as to your take on this.

Honestly, it looks like the make or break point has passed. The past 5 years have been the same, wait for another round. Either the ACC scenario or the breakup/expansion of the Big 12 are the only UConn paths into a P5 conference now. If one doesn't happen, then wait or hope for the other scenario. If neither happens, then wait another 5 years for new rumors to start up.

The Big East would be the death of football and hopefully the last resort. I put it as a toss-up as to whether its better than just staying in the AAC.

 

[intlzncster]

ACC got a bunch of teams in and a bunch flamed out early and a ACC power won the title .
Can you say 2011 Big East redux?

If the big east was strong that year ( and we all like to say it was) . The ACC was great this year.

Meh, I didn't think it was THAT amazing. It deserved to get those teams in, but as usual, a bunch of them choked.

I looked the ACC this year as different. Maybe they deserved to get these teams in, maybe they didn't. But I don't think many of them were actually that good to begin with. jmo

Not conclusive, just another data point:

• 5 ACC teams in Kenpom top 25 for 2017
• 8 BE teams in Kenpom Top 25 for 2011

 

[JeepCSC]

The ACC wasn't great this year in the tournament. But then the other top conferences didn't exactly excel either (Big XII and Pac only got one team past the S16, B10 got zero). As far as conferences go, the SEC stole the show. But then no one would confuse the SEC with a basketball conference. Blips come and go, but you can't go wrong pushing yourself against solid programs year-in, year-out.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[CL82]

My apologies if you guys think I'm trolling here. I'm not I'm just genuinely curious as to your take on this.