OT NFL Draft

[navery12]

Terrific athlete, you can't justify a D2 safety in the second round.

By what measure is he great player? Genuinely curious?

How? He's actually a good punt returner.

It's obviously a risk because he's coming from D2 but he's a ridiculous athlete/tackler. The only weakness is coverage, if he improves there who knows how good he can be.

For me, with all the recent developments and how often teams are playing 3 safetys I think it's worth the risk. The floor is a box safety/LB but I think given the current NFL the risk is worth it and hope he improves his coverage even a little bit. Even if he only hits the floor and is effectively a LB I think that plays in today's NFL

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

A D2 punt returner. Good luck.

This will be a fun one to revisit. I have a feeling posts like these will not age particularly well.

 

[Huskyforlife]

It's obviously a risk because he's coming from D2 but he's a ridiculous athlete/tackler. The only weakness is coverage, if he improves there who knows how good he can be.

For me, with all the recent developments and how often teams are playing 3 safetys I think it's worth the risk. The floor is a box safety/LB but I think given the current NFL the risk is worth it and hope he improves his coverage even a little bit. Even if he only hits the floor and is effectively a LB I think that plays in today's NFL

It'll be an interesting situation to watch, I believe he's the first D2 safety to be drafted in the second round. I don't think there have been many successful D2 players recently at all, besides Walker and Butler. But he does have the size and athleticism to make it.

 

[Huskyforlife]

This will be a fun one to revisit. I have a feeling posts like these will not age particularly well.

You know the Patriots and Bengals haven't drafted a pro bowler in 6 drafts? Not the only way to measure draft success, but that's really bad.

 

[navery12]

It'll be an interesting situation to watch, I believe he's the first D2 safety to be drafted in the second round. I don't think there have been many successful D2 players recently at all, besides Walker and Butler. But he does have the size and athleticism to make it.

It's definitely not a lock by any means and I definitely know nothing about the draft. But with no fantasy sports my friends and I had a 3 round mock draft competition so I spent way more time looking into these round 2 and 3 guys than anyone should have

 

[Huskyforlife]

It's definitely not a lock by any means and I definitely know nothing about the draft. But with no fantasy sports my friends and I had a 3 round mock draft competition so I spent way more time looking into these round 2 and 3 guys than anyone should have

I'm a huge draft nerd, and I also like looking at the probability certain prospects will be successful. From what I've "researched" I don't like his odds.

 

[Deuce]

It'll be an interesting situation to watch, I believe he's the first D2 safety to be drafted in the second round. I don't think there have been many successful D2 players recently at all, besides Walker and Butler. But he does have the size and athleticism to make it.

Tyreek Hill and Vinatieri as well.

 

[the Q]

Yeah I spent all fall hoping we'd suck enough to get Thomas so it would be hypocritical to criticize it.

At this point I think it's safe to say Gettleman is able to identify talent in the draft. He has no ability to maneuver the draft to get extra picks and he needs to go, but no reason to think Thomas isn't going to work out

gotta give some credit to then fins gm. He called everyone’s bluffs.

 

[the Q]

I'm a huge draft nerd, and I also like looking at the probability certain prospects will be successful. From what I've "researched" I don't like his odds.

based on historical data, Zack moss to Buffalo is going to be an epic steal. He’s not only the best RB in the draft, but the best in the last 4 years. And it’s not even close.

I will try to find the twitter thread detailing said research.

 

[the Q]

Tyreek Hill and Vinatieri as well.

slightly misleading when his stock was made during his time at Oklahoma state.

not really comparable to a pure d2 guy.

 

[the Q]

You know the Patriots and Bengals haven't drafted a pro bowler in 6 drafts? Not the only way to measure draft success, but that's really bad.

wasn’t thuney an all pro guard? Dude is a Wall.

 

[Deepster]

Pats first pick is a complete joke. Need help in many places other than special teams. BB has only whiffed on the last 8 DBs he took in the 2nd round......and they go after a guy they probably could have gotten 50 picks later. Sheer stupidity. There were 2-3 highly rated edge rushers still on the board.

And they traded down to take him.

 

[Deepster]

Let’s be honest here.

Belichick has never been good at drafting players. He trades down, stockpiles picks and it never works out.

He’s great at getting Blount, Moss, Dillon type players to take less money to make a run. And that’s done

With Brady and Gronk blatantly leaving for TBay, the FA route of not being paid is done.

Nothing at ALL at QB on their roster.

The dynasty has crashed and burned in the worst way.

 

[uconngb]

I mean he was a consensus 2nd round pick but don’t worry about those facts

Winfield was there for the taking and ranked well ahead of this guy. It was definitely a reach. They could have got this guy later.

 

[Deuce]

Winfield was there for the taking and ranked well ahead of this guy. It was definitely a reach. They could have got this guy later.

Ok cool. I’ll take your opinion over the draft experts then since I’m sure you’ve seen every dback. Again I have zero dog in this fight but Winfield ranked ‘well ahead of this guy’ is again nonsense....factually. Winfield also has inferior combine #s in every single measurable. Whine all you want and maybe this guy will stink but to say it was a garbage pick is preposterous.

 

[Huskyforlife]

based on historical data, Zack moss to Buffalo is going to be an epic steal. He’s not only the best RB in the draft, but the best in the last 4 years. And it’s not even close.

I will try to find the twitter thread detailing said research.

I'd love to see it if you have time, I thought his probability of being great was slim.

 

[the Q]

I'd love to see it if you have time, I thought his probability of being great was slim.

The pff article is an interesting read too.

 

[NJHusky]

Yeah the Williams trade for a 3 was ridiculous, or as you say a firing offense. Getty was a laughingstock after that as others offered no more than a 5 I believe.

Exactly. And they were forced to pay Williams big $$$ to not look like idiots If he left. Plus they could have gotten him or Clowhey as FA

 

[the Q]

Exactly. And they were forced to pay Williams big $$$ to not look like idiots If he left. Plus they could have gotten him or Clowhey as FA

If he didn’t spend 10m per year on blake Martinez, he could’ve probably signed both...

 

[Deepster]

Jets and Joe Douglas actually getting good grades for their draft.

Becton is a beast that they're comparing to Jonathan Ogden. 6'7", 365 and a 5.1forty time.
They traded down 11 picks and still got Denzel Mims.
La'Mical Perine could be a steal at RB with game breaker speed.
With their last pick, they took punter Braden Mann who averaged 51 ypp and supposedly has a killer leg.

The Mims pick is the one that really has to come through for this class to shine but feel really strongly about the entire draft for them.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Giants fan here who has very little knowledge about NCAA football (aside from the UConn/NDSU games I watch and the one Yale game I go to a year).

Glad the Giants went with tackle. Time will tell if it's a reach, but I wish Gettleman found a way to trade back.

Thomas is a fine pick at a clear position of need, but Gettleman has no idea about draft value.

He used #2 on a running back.
Then #6 on a QB that nobody else valued that highly.
Now #4 on a tackle that was basically interchangeable with 2-3 others.

He should have been able to get all of those things, plus a few other Day 1 or Day 2 picks. That and the Leonard Williams situation just shows how he's playing tiddlywinks while everyone else is playing chess in today's NFL.

 

[Mr. French]

based on historical data, Zack moss to Buffalo is going to be an epic steal. He’s not only the best RB in the draft, but the best in the last 4 years. And it’s not even close.

I will try to find the twitter thread detailing said research.

Huge Bills fan, and I'm thrilled with our draft. Our GM knows what he's doing (not something I've said often in 20 years or so) and we nabbed a few guys they thought really highly of.

The Iowa kid in the 2nd round, from what I hear, they liked him potentially at 22. They got Diggs with 22, who is one of my favorite WRs in the league before the trade. Then Moss and a few big target WRs. I'm very happy.

 

[Scoe]

Thomas is a fine pick at a clear position of need, but Gettleman has no idea about draft value.

He used #2 on a running back.
Then #6 on a QB that nobody else valued that highly.
Now #4 on a tackle that was basically interchangeable with 2-3 others.

He should have been able to get all of those things, plus a few other Day 1 or Day 2 picks. That and the Leonard Williams situation just shows how he's playing tiddlywinks while everyone else is playing chess in today's NFL.

I would say under Judge he made smart moves, hes doing what should have been done when Gettelman got here which is build from the inside out not the outside in which he did by taking Barkley, then Jones then the lineman when it shouldve been the other way around. Not all the needs were going to be addressed in this draft, oline and linebacker were the biggest ones. Judge is brining guys who are disciplined and come from winning environments including his own guys from the Pats. I want rookies who are gonna be breathing down veterans necks to take their job, and create competition.

 

[the Q]

I would say under Judge he made smart moves, hes doing what should have been done when Gettelman got here which is build from the inside out not the outside in which he did by taking Barkley, then Jones then the lineman when it shouldve been the other way around. Not all the needs were going to be addressed in this draft, oline and linebacker were the biggest ones. Judge is brining guys who are disciplined and come from winning environments including his own guys from the Pats. I want rookies who are gonna be breathing down veterans necks to take their job, and create competition.

His biggest mistake was not taking the offer that the colts got from the Jets.

 

[Scoe]

His biggest mistake was not taking the offer that the colts got from the Jets.

What exactly was that offer?

 

[the Q]

What exactly was that offer?

6th overall pick and 3 seconds, two in 2018 and one in 2019.

 

[Scoe]

6th overall pick and 3 seconds, two in 2018 and one in 2019.

Beyond stupid, Gettelman fell in love with Barkley too much. Barkley could very well be a hall of famer thats not the point though, this draft is what the Giants shouldve been doing from the very beginning. I wasnt of the Shurmur hire either, if the last 2 years of failuremeans hes gone I'm all for it (I do think he also got screwed by Gettelman). Now its about what happens from here, hopefully the Giants finally got it right this time with Judge.

 

[Lefty2one]

As far as an immediate reaction--which means nothing, ultimately--this was the Jets' best draft in years. It's nice to have a GM actually address need, make multiple trades during the draft, and acquire additional picks/assets. They added speed and high-character players.

In the end, this draft will come down to Becton and Mims. Darnold needs weapons and protection in the worst way. He has arguably the worst OL + playmakers combination in the entire league. Even though he's young, this is already his third season coming up after two disappointing years (largely because of his anemic supporting cast); it's time to start making real strides. Mims concerns me a bit. Someone with his measurables shouldn't have been the 13th WR off the board. Something has to give.

This is our first draft in 14 years where we took multiple offensive players in the first two rounds; that's insane for a franchise that has been offensively challenged for so long.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

I guess i’m in the minority on this, but i’m quite happy with Saquon

 

[Scoe]

I guess i’m in the minority on this, but i’m quite happy with Saquon

Its not about not being happy about Saquon it was about getting more picks at the time and buiding from the inside out, having said that if the last 2 years meant firing Shurmur I'm all for it, as the Giants weren't close to being contenders as it was. It is good to see that Gettelman is willing to atone for his mistakes as opposed to Jerry Reese who kept repeating his mistakes over and over again.