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intlzncster said:
Eh, this class is deep in backs. You can certainly address the position. Get one in a later round. You could have 3-4 good backs for the money you'll pay Barkley.

He's going to make 8m, 10m, 13m in years 3-5 of his deal. That's insanity. And he's not gonna want pay cuts after that. And if he gets hurt...

If I had to pick and not trade, then in a vacuum, I'd probably take Roquan Smith or somebody like that.

jmo of course
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The Barkley pick comes off as a marketing ploy. But he is rated as the best player in the draft. Barry Sanders did get the Lions rolling for a while.
 
Butch said:
The Barkley pick comes off as a marketing ploy. But he is rated as the best player in the draft. Barry Sanders did get the Lions rolling for a while.
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He's likely going to be a great player. I'm not trying to take away from that at all. I was just speaking to a team building perspective.

He will probably be really fun to watch.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
We haven’t had a good running back or linebacker in like 5 years. We have done well thus far this offseason.
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Guice, Chubb, Jones III, and Johnson would've been way(!) better value in the second/third round. Gallman showed potential behind that horrid OLine, and Perkins has potential. DG also seems to believe in Stewart being a contributor next year, so I don't think using the second overall pick on a RB was smart.
 
Huskyforlife said:
Guice, Chubb, Jones III, and Johnson would've been way(!) better value in the second/third round. Gallman showed potential behind that horrid OLine, and Perkins has potential. DG also seems to believe in Stewart being a contributor next year, so I don't think using the second overall pick on a RB was smart.
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Saquon is by all accounts a once in a decade running back, if you can get that in the draft, why would you not? He is a workhorse, catches extremely well out of the backfield, and protects, this was a very good pick no matter how you look at it.
 
The Giants do need an offensive line. Not sure if Barkley is going to have a Fournette-like rookie year. Remains to be seen. They are also risking exposing the kid to injury more this season, so they better manage it right.
 
Huskyforlife said:
Guice, Chubb, Jones III, and Johnson would've been way(!) better value in the second/third round. Gallman showed potential behind that horrid OLine, and Perkins has potential. DG also seems to believe in Stewart being a contributor next year, so I don't think using the second overall pick on a RB was smart.
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The Giants got by most accounts, the best football player in the draft. I am not to concerned about value.
 
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CardiacAndre7 said:
Saquon is by all accounts a once in a decade running back, if you can get that in the draft, why would you not? He is a workhorse, catches extremely well out of the backfield, and protects, this was a very good pick no matter how you look at it.
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Quarterback is both the most important position and the hardest position to fill. The Giants have an 87 year old QB who's been terrible recently. They were picking second in what's widely regarded as the deepest quarterback draft in ages. They took a running back. You have to be pretty stupid to do something like that.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Saquon is by all accounts a once in a decade running back, if you can get that in the draft, why would you not? He is a workhorse, catches extremely well out of the backfield, and protects, this was a very good pick no matter how you look at it.
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He's terrific, I'll probably end up buying his jersey, but that's not the point. Even if he's better than the other top RB prospects recently, people are going overboard on the hype train. It's easy to forget how elite Barkley would need to be to justify his yearly salary/pick. Even if he's great, if he's anything below Bell or David Johnson's tier, then we're over paying someone you probably don't need to win a Superbowl. Last years top RBs were taken in rounds 3 and four. Active upper level RBs that were taken in rounds after the first include; McCoy, Freeman/Coleman, Bell, Johnson, Cook, Howard, Kamara, and Hunt. Point being, you can have a great running game with any of those guys, you don't even need the best of the best.

Next years QB crop is projected to be pretty terrible, even though that could change. This years was amazing, you had 4 guys worthy of being top 10. Rosen would be the first taken if he came out next year. Eli probably has two years left, so it'd be nice if we had his replacement lined up. HCPS also said this pick wasn't an endorsement for Webb, so it's not likely he's the answer.

Either way he's a Giant, and I'll be patiently waiting to watch him in the pre season. He'll make us better next year, and take some weight off of Eli. So there are some positives.
 
Huskyforlife said:
He's terrific, I'll probably end up buying his jersey, but that's not the point. Even if he's better than the other top RB prospects recently, people are going overboard on the hype train. It's easy to forget how elite Barkley would need to be to justify his yearly salary/pick. Even if he's great, if he's anything below Bell or David Johnson's tier, then we're over paying someone you probably don't need to win a Superbowl. Last years top RBs were taken in rounds 3 and four. Active upper level RBs that were taken in rounds after the first include; McCoy, Freeman/Coleman, Bell, Johnson, Cook, Howard, Kamara, and Hunt. Point being, you can have a great running game with any of those guys, you don't even need the best of the best.

Next years QB crop is projected to be pretty terrible, even though that could change. This years was amazing, you had 4 guys worthy of being top 10. Rosen would be the first taken if he came out next year. Eli probably has two years left, so it'd be nice if we had his replacement lined up. HCPS also said this pick wasn't an endorsement for Webb, so it's not likely he's the answer.

Either way he's a Giant, and I'll be patiently waiting to watch him in the pre season. He'll make us better next year, and take some weight off of Eli. So there are some positives.
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How aboit we give Webb a go?
 
zyron said:
The Giants got by most accounts, the best football player in the draft. I am not to concerned about value.
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They may have, the next time a RB is the best player on a Super Bowl team, let me know.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
How aboit we give Webb a go?
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Looking forward to his pre season as well. Hoping he shows something, as it would be nice to not have to draft a QB. But when he likely isn't the answer, we're gonna wish we had fixed this problem when 4/5 solutions were staring us in the face last year.
 
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Huskyforlife said:
You want a list of QBs picked in the top 5 who've won Super Bowls?
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Considering the Giants had the #2 pick and you wanted them to take a quarterback it seems somehwhat relevant. You hinted there are no recent running backs who are the best player on a Super Bowl winner, I'm wondering who are all these top 5 picked QB's who have won Super Bowls recently.

You can do all the scouting you want and it's pretty much all a cr@pshoot. Barkley is the best player in the draft and the only thing I see stopping him from being a great player is a major injury. I find this QB class to be overrated, I think it's pretty clear they all have some flaws. If you had the no-brainer can't miss QB to succeed Eli you take him, that guy isn't in the draft IMO. I wouldn't at all be surprised if Webb turns out to be as good or better than these guys.
 
superjohn said:
Considering the Giants had the #2 pick and you wanted them to take a quarterback it seems somehwhat relevant. You hinted there are no recent running backs who are the best player on a Super Bowl winner, I'm wondering who are all these top 5 picked QB's who have won Super Bowls recently.

You can do all the scouting you want and it's pretty much all a cr@pshoot. Barkley is the best player in the draft and the only thing I see stopping him from being a great player is a major injury. I find this QB class to be overrated, I think it's pretty clear they all have some flaws. If you had the no-brainer can't miss QB to succeed Eli you take him, that guy isn't in the draft IMO. I wouldn't at all be surprised if Webb turns out to be as good or better than these guys.
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The point is you need a great QB to realistically win the Super Bowl, let alone make the playoffs. You're most likely to find great/long term starters in the top 5. It's fine if you think the QBs were bad, NFL GMs thought four of them were top ten picks, 2 in the top 3 picks, so I'm guessing at least one or two of these guys will be successful, especially when the alternative is a RB.
 
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zyron said:
Like Nick Foles, the greatest QB there is.
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Eagles have the best roster in the league, and Wentz still had a huge part in getting them to the playoffs. Also you could consider this an outlier, even though I think Foles has some talent, and can play in the right system.
 
Ewekon said:
Giants don't have cap space for Dez. Pipe dream. As it stands now, and this could change, OBJ is playing for 8 mill on his contract this year. Cap tight for G Men.
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Now that Barkley is in, Giants have to many running backs you think? Pink slips maybe?
 
gtcam said:
Possible franchise QBs? That's a huge overstatement for these 4 guys
Barkley is consensus talent RB on par with the Cowboys Elliott
IF they bypassed a sure franchise QB I would scratch my head but none of these guys are anywhere near that level
Your emotions are way out of whack on this pick. IMHO
But to each their own - We'll see
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The football guru's on NFL Network said the same thing They didn't see a franchise QB in the lot.
 
So is Webb their QB of the future, or is Manning running the front office? Either way, LOL.
 
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CardiacAndre7 said:
How aboit we give Webb a go?
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Geez imagine if all along the Giants drafted their QB of the future last year in the 2nd round? Certainly players have expressed the fact the kid has the goods from what they see all year in practice and quite honestly all of this years QB studs have concerns like any other kid coming out of college. I mean Barkley or a turnover machine in the weak PAC10? Barkley or a concussion protocol victim of the future?

Anyone saying Eli is through, well just give him a line and a running game then let's see. I like the pick the kid he is head and heels over the Chubbs/Guice's and such hence a #2. He runs through tackles but his peripheral slicing and dicing is Sayers-esque at times. We haven't seen anyone with this ability but certainly I get the questions of can the line help him become what he can be while keeping him healthy? I'm guessing they have a plan, let's see the rest of it.
 
whaler11 said:
Until you have a quarterback, getting a quarterback is the priority.

If you are so sure there isn’t a QB at 2 for the love of God trade down.
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Getting a QB just to get a QB is how you become the browns. We drafted BPA and fit our biggest need. I would have preferred we traded down but I also understand why we didn't.
 
JMick said:
Getting a QB just to get a QB is how you become the browns. We drafted BPA and fit our biggest need. I would have preferred we traded down but I also understand why we didn't.
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The Giants biggest need was running back?

They have the most immobile QB in the league, the worst offensive line in the league, and they are going to be paying a rookie running back more money than nearly every other running back currently in the NFL.

This isn't a debate if he'll be good or hell even All Pro. The Giants had a huge resource with the 2nd overall pick in a deep QB draft where a lot of teams needed a QB and they squandered it on a back. From the jump it's nearly impossible for Barkley to produce at a level that even breaks even on this deal.

Not to mention we've still neglected the offensive line, traded away JPP, have no LBs, cut DRC, and have a head case that sucks in Apple and a head case that is great at times in Jenkins.

How do executives get to where they are in the NFL and idiots like us can look at things more "analytically" than them.

Sorry I guess my "touched by god" meter must just be rusty.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
The Giants biggest need was running back?

They have the most immobile QB in the league, the worst offensive line in the league, and they are going to be paying a rookie running back more money than nearly every other running back currently in the NFL.

This isn't a debate if he'll be good or hell even All Pro. The Giants had a huge resource with the 2nd overall pick in a deep QB draft where a lot of teams needed a QB and they squandered it on a back. From the jump it's nearly impossible for Barkley to produce at a level that even breaks even on this deal.

Not to mention we've still neglected the offensive line, traded away JPP, have no LBs, cut DRC, and have a head case that sucks in Apple and a head case that is great at times in Jenkins.

How do executives get to where they are in the NFL and idiots like us can look at things more "analytically" than them.

Sorry I guess my "touched by god" meter must just be rusty.
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I will admit I'm curious as to what kinds of offers the Giants turned down.

I would imagine something fierce from Buffalo.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
We haven’t had a good running back or linebacker in like 5 years. We have done well thus far this offseason.
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Our RBs have been DISGUSTING. We just got the top-rated RB prospect coming out of college since Adrian Peterson. It was our most glaring need and we filled with a stud. Let's fire the GM.

I'd love for all the guys bashing Gettleman for passing on these QBs to see if they can all agree on who he should have taken. Dollars to donuts, they all like a different guy and would be complaining if he didn't take their guy. "They should have taken somebody, anybody who plays QB" is not a convincing argument. Who's the sure-fire guy? Who's definitely better than Webb?

The odds of Barkley reaching his potential are, IMO, SIGNIFICANTLY higher than any of those 4 QBs reaching theirs. None of these guys looks to me like an Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning.

Looks like the 1999 class to me. Everybody thinks they're drafting Donovan McNabb but they're more likely drafting Tim Couch or Akili Smith.

And for all the talk about getting a RB lower in the draft, guess what: We've tried. Also guess what: You can snag a QB later, too. Super Bowl champ Nick Foles was a 3rd rounder. Our coach's boy Keenum wasn't even drafted. On and on.
 
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