OT: Mayweather vs. McGregor

[Hoophound]

Doubtful. As I understand it, Mayweather is known for his ability to avoid punches, not an ability to take a hit.

If you watch the fight you'll agree. McGregor's punches don't bother Floyd at all. His hands look incredibly slow compared to Mayweather's. It seems Mayweather could have just taken the punches and walked right through them rather than avoid them at all. Stunning difference in hand speed and power. Given Mayweather is clearly over the hill, it is even more surprising.

No way was Mayweather getting knocked out or even hurt by McGregor. I'm confident Floyd let him hang around, in rounds 1-5 there are periods where Floyd doesn't throw punches and just keeps his gloves up without countering at all. It almost looked like he was helping McGregor as a sparring partner.

 

[NielsisGood]

Connor's power was there in the beginning. There were a couple body shots early that had a noticeable effect on Floyd. That being said, his conditioning was not even remotely close to that of a pro boxer and very quickly that power completely disappeared. Might as well have been watching Paulie throwing punches by the 6th.

I'll agree with that. You could see the snap on his punches for about 2 rounds, but even though Conor won round 3 you could tell the power had already greatly diminished. Still wasn't what you'd call devastating knockout power by boxing standards though.

 

[temery]

Totally agree. Was talking w/wife about that this morning. Guy should follow the Rock and go hollywood. got the personality for it. If he's decent with money, he doesn't need to ever fight again.

If The Rock looked like McGregor, I doubt he'd have nearly as big of a following with the ladies.

 

[NielsisGood]

I don't know. That was literally my first time watching Floyd fight, so you're reference point would be better than mine, but I feel like I've heard other people argue the opposite, that Floyd was, even in the early rounds, chasing the fight in a way that was atypical. Could be that the punches McGregor landed were simply a matter of Floyd being rusty, but the way he was smiling, almost mocking McGregor in the early stages of the fight made me think there was some showmanship going on that you wouldn't have seen in a match between two locked-in boxers. And I'm not complaining - the fight was entertaining, I just thought there was a little Harlem Globetrotters' there on Floyd's part.

And yeah, the shots McGregor landed didn't seem to move Floyd much. The fight was lopsided even before it turned ugly later on.

Mugging down your opponent after they've landed a shot on you is a common tactic in combat sports. Sometimes the smile is a sign of acknowledgment and respect that the opponent landed a good shot, but most often it's meant to convey an "Is that all you've got?" sentiment.

 

[NielsisGood]

Doubtful. As I understand it, Mayweather is known for his ability to avoid punches, not an ability to take a hit.

Floyd has fought 50 professional boxing fights, he'd have to be gumby to never have been hit clean by somebody along the way. Floyd has shown an amazing chin on the rare occasion that somebody has caught him clean (the shot Mosley landed at the end of the 2nd round of their fight being probably the best example). Floyd is 50-0 because he had every boxing skill imaginable besides 1 shot knockout power.

 

[MadDogRevival]

If The Rock looked like McGregor, I doubt he'd have nearly as big of a following with the ladies.

The Rock is, by all accounts, a great dude with a tremendous work ethic. While most women prefer a muscular man, however, many would pick a guy like CM because they don't want to walk around next to a giant roid guy.

 

[MadDogRevival]

stuff

How the hell do you only have 600 and change posts? We must post in the same threads, because it feels like you post 20 times a day.

 

[Showballot]

The legions of suckers will be spending bank renting this to watch Mayweather run away from McGregor all night and still win. Can't wait.

Good call

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

Conor did better than expected but all he landed were pot shots.

Dude has NO POWER.

 

[polycom]

Conor did better than expected but all he landed were pot shots.

Dude has NO POWER.

UFC power =/= boxing power.

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

UFC power =/= boxing power.

yup, which is what i tried to tell my dumb friend (big connor/ufc fan) before the fight and before i made a hundred bucks off him.

 

[polycom]

yup, which is what i tried to tell my dumb friend (big connor/ufc fan) before the fight and before i made a hundred bucks off him.

I watched the fight with MMA fans they were comedy.

 

[Letsgohuskies11]

If you watch the fight you'll agree. McGregor's punches don't bother Floyd at all. His hands look incredibly slow compared to Mayweather's. It seems Mayweather could have just taken the punches and walked right through them rather than avoid them at all. Stunning difference in hand speed and power. Given Mayweather is clearly over the hill, it is even more surprising.

No way was Mayweather getting knocked out or even hurt by McGregor. I'm confident Floyd let him hang around, in rounds 1-5 there are periods where Floyd doesn't throw punches and just keeps his gloves up without countering at all. It almost looked like he was helping McGregor as a sparring partner.

it doesnt help Mayweather kept on turning his back to McGregor

 

[aceboon]

it doesnt help Mayweather kept on turning his back to McGregor

It was McGregor taking his back, he explained it post fight and said he actually burned too much energy doing it and wished he would have stopped sooner. Paulie was trying to explain it during the fight when he got into that little argument with Ranallo and Bernstein because McGregor kept doing it to him during sparring.

 

[noeynox]

It was McGregor taking his back, he explained it post fight and said he actually burned too much energy doing it and wished he would have stopped sooner. Paulie was trying to explain it during the fight when he got into that little argument with Ranallo and Bernstein because McGregor kept doing it to him during sparring.

It was actually exceptionally good footwork from McGregor. It was the only thing that impressed me from him in this fight, and explains to me anyways, how he runs through most UFC fighters. His footwork was high-level stuff, to get that positioning on Floyd. A fighter not as intelligent as Floyd may have turned right into a big left hand. Floyd, crafty as he is, would cover his face and leave the back of his head exposed where he clearly couldn't be hit.

 

[aceboon]

It was actually exceptionally good footwork from McGregor. It was the only thing that impressed me from him in this fight, and explains to me anyways, how he runs through most UFC fighters. His footwork was high-level stuff, to get that positioning on Floyd. A fighter not as intelligent as Floyd may have turned right into a big left hand. Floyd, crafty as he is, would cover his face and leave the back of his head exposed where he clearly couldn't be hit.

Yup, he has very fast and light feet, and switched stances and worked angles pretty well, he would have been better served trying to fire off from angles and off to the side ala Lomachenko/Orlando Canizales instead of going all the way to the back.

 

[NielsisGood]

It was McGregor taking his back, he explained it post fight and said he actually burned too much energy doing it and wished he would have stopped sooner. Paulie was trying to explain it during the fight when he got into that little argument with Ranallo and Bernstein because McGregor kept doing it to him during sparring.

Mauro honestly pissed me off during that exchange. Let the guy that's hired to be your in ring expert explain what is happening in the ring. The fact that a play by play guy was trying to scream over their expert analyst who was both a world class fighter fairly recently and who had experience sparring with the guy in question was a really bad look for Mauro, who's over the top alliterative style is already grating to me.

 

[Rocktheworld]

Rob Parker is cancer but I can't lie I laughed out loud a bit when he described the fight (paraphrasing) "... first time in American history a black man has given a white man welfare"

 

[noeynox]

Rob Parker is cancer but I can't lie I laughed out loud a bit when he described the fight (paraphrasing) "... first time in American history a black man has given a white man welfare"

He changed McGregor's "bum life", for sure.

 

[Rocktheworld]

He changed McGregor's "bum life", for sure.

Parker then went on to call Matt Stafford "Stat Pad-ford" on account of his record against teams with winning records, said Stafford is grossly overpaid, and that he would take Kaepernick over Stafford

 

[MadDogRevival]

UFC power =/= boxing power.

Not sure if this is true.
Pretty sure that you have no evidence to support it.
Also sure that Mayweather hasn't been hurt more than a couple times in his entire career. Really not credible to comment on CM's punching power when he's going against the best punch dodger in history.

 

[Hoophound]

McGregor clearly didn't throw punches with the power and speed of a boxer. One can simply watch and see that he was nowhere near the puncher of Mayweather, who isn't a puncher himself. He looked like he was simply trying to touch him gently most of the time to score some points. His punches just had nothing on them. He hit Mayweather on the nose a couple of times and in the body a couple of times with decent punches but there was literally zero reaction from Floyd that he'd felt it.

George Foreman is the only guy I've seen with incredible power that looked like his punches packed nothing. However, with Foreman you would hear the punches thud against his opponent's body and see them wince from each one. McGregor was pawing.

 

[polycom]

Not sure if this is true.
Pretty sure that you have no evidence to support it.
Also sure that Mayweather hasn't been hurt more than a couple times in his entire career. Really not credible to comment on CM's punching power when he's going against the best punch dodger in history.

Watch the fight again slow it down if you need to and then tell me who hits harder. CM absolutely landed enough punches to see if there was power behind them.

 

[NielsisGood]

McGregor clearly didn't throw punches with the power and speed of a boxer. One can simply watch and see that he was nowhere near the puncher of Mayweather, who isn't a puncher himself. He looked like he was simply trying to touch him gently most of the time to score some points. His punches just had nothing on them. He hit Mayweather on the nose a couple of times and in the body a couple of times with decent punches but there was literally zero reaction from Floyd that he'd felt it.

George Foreman is the only guy I've seen with incredible power that looked like his punches packed nothing. However, with Foreman you would hear the punches thud against his opponent's body and see them wince from each one. McGregor was pawing.

Looked to me like he had respectable snap and power behind his punches for the first 2 rounds. Didn't look like GGG or anything early on but he wasn't the same pillow fist that he was from rounds 4 and on.

 

[MadDogRevival]

Watch the fight again slow it down if you need to and then tell me who hits harder. CM absolutely landed enough punches to see if there was power behind them.

This is just confirmation that you have no evidence. Your opinion is not evidence. Unless you have some sort of visual punching expertise.

 

[noeynox]

This is just confirmation that you have no evidence. Your opinion is not evidence. Unless you have some sort of visual punching expertise.

All the evidence you need is who got battered around that ring at anytime in that fight. It was never Floyd. Conor was exhausted but he was the definition of a feather fisted boxer that night. Floyd didn't have a mark on him, while was bloodied and bruise. What Conor did impress me with watching it a second time was his footwork. It was phenomenal. Must be why he whomps most ufc guys while barely getrung touched. Plus he trash talks them into going in there to fight his fight. Chad Mendes on 10 days notice was wrestling the crap out of him till he got gassed.

As far as punch dodging, Floyd went right at him. Wasn't trying to make him miss, as Connor landed 111 punches. That was cause Floyd felt no threat from his strikes and walked him down.

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

This is just confirmation that you have no evidence. Your opinion is not evidence. Unless you have some sort of visual punching expertise.

Did you see Floyds face post fight? Not even a tiny scratch on it.

I would say that is decent evidence.

Also the fact that a guy 20 lbs lighter who has all time world class defense elected to forgo this d and instead walk down Conor all night and take those weak a** punches.

You have shown repeatedly in this thread that you are clueless when it comes to boxing. Conor did better than most expected. Just leave it at that and stop making things up out of your a**

 

[MadDogRevival]

Did you see Floyds face post fight? Not even a tiny scratch on it. I would say that is decent evidence.

You would be very wrong. Not decent evidence. Terrible evidence.

And the original question was punching in UFC vs. in Boxing. Not Floyd vs. McG. So you're not even addressing the original question.
Evidence would be something that measures the force of punches thrown by UFC guys versus Boxers. Marks on face at end of fight don't show that. When the "Big Rig" fellow fought GSP, Big Rig looked like he came from a picnic. GSP looked like somebody had worked him over with a pipe. But that's not evidence that GSP doesn't punch hard.

Likewise, Floyd worked him over for 4 or 5 rounds after he was punched out/gassed.

What the fight showed was 2 things:
1. Floyd is a demonstrably better boxer than McGregor.
and
2. The difference in boxing skill/talent between Floyd and McGregor was not nearly as great as most boxing fans believed and not nearly as close as most UFC fans believed.

I know that this thread is all boxing fan boys and UFC fan boys, so nobody is going to be reasonable, but I'd be curious to see an actual scientific study on punch power. I have no doubt that boxers would punch harder, on average. How much harder is the question.

 

[polycom]

You would be very wrong. Not decent evidence. Terrible evidence.

And the original question was punching in UFC vs. in Boxing. Not Floyd vs. McG. So you're not even addressing the original question.
Evidence would be something that measures the force of punches thrown by UFC guys versus Boxers. Marks on face at end of fight don't show that. When the "Big Rig" fellow fought GSP, Big Rig looked like he came from a picnic. GSP looked like somebody had worked him over with a pipe. But that's not evidence that GSP doesn't punch hard.

Likewise, Floyd worked him over for 4 or 5 rounds after he was punched out/gassed.

What the fight showed was 2 things:
1. Floyd is a demonstrably better boxer than McGregor.
and
2. The difference in boxing skill/talent between Floyd and McGregor was not nearly as great as most boxing fans believed and not nearly as close as most UFC fans believed.

I know that this thread is all boxing fan boys and UFC fan boys, so nobody is going to be reasonable, but I'd be curious to see an actual scientific study on punch power. I have no doubt that boxers would punch harder, on average. How much harder is the question.

You're a MMA fan boy. Your second point proves as much, if you believe that to be true then you're a fool.

Mayweather vs. McGregor: Full Punch Stats and Scorecard Results from Megafight

Mayweather vs. Pacquiao: Full Punch Stats and Scorecard Results from Megafight

 

[noeynox]

You would be very wrong. Not decent evidence. Terrible evidence.

And the original question was punching in UFC vs. in Boxing. Not Floyd vs. McG. So you're not even addressing the original question.
Evidence would be something that measures the force of punches thrown by UFC guys versus Boxers. Marks on face at end of fight don't show that. When the "Big Rig" fellow fought GSP, Big Rig looked like he came from a picnic. GSP looked like somebody had worked him over with a pipe. But that's not evidence that GSP doesn't punch hard.

Likewise, Floyd worked him over for 4 or 5 rounds after he was punched out/gassed.

What the fight showed was 2 things:
1. Floyd is a demonstrably better boxer than McGregor.
and
2. The difference in boxing skill/talent between Floyd and McGregor was not nearly as great as most boxing fans believed and not nearly as close as most UFC fans believed.

I know that this thread is all boxing fan boys and UFC fan boys, so nobody is going to be reasonable, but I'd be curious to see an actual scientific study on punch power. I have no doubt that boxers would punch harder, on average. How much harder is the question.

Where was Connors Ko artist ability against a guy 20lbs smaller who walked right through his punches. It's silly. Told you before boxers train in throwing punches and evading punches. It stands to reason they punch harder, since mma guys train so many more disciplines. When the UFC ko artist can't even give the boxer with no power even a bloody nose it should tell you who punched harder. A similar aged boxer with true power would have flat lined Conor. That's not a knock, I love mma, but their 2 different sports. Do you believe Miocic could hang with Anthony Joshua boxing because Miocic won golden gloves?