OT: Mayweather vs. McGregor

[aceboon]

With no way of calculating damage. Points are awarded for contact.

If Mayweather wasn't inflicting damage or if his punches didn't hurt, then his opponents would be opening up on him and walking him down, and that obviously hasn't been happening.

 

[intlzncster]

If Mayweather wasn't inflicting damage or if his punches didn't hurt, then his opponents would be opening up on him and walking him down, and that obviously hasn't been happening.

Is that true though? Not a boxing expert, but it seems to me that Mayweather's footwork, quickness and instincts prevent this from happening.

No comment on whether his punches are inflicting damage or not.

 

[intlzncster]

I REALLY don't want to pay for this fight. But I probably will. A slave to spectacle. Sad.

 

[superjohn]

How many barroom fights have the guys in this thread seen, up close and personal? I've seen about 100. Maybe 200. Part of owning a bar in a rough town, unfortunately.
Most barroom fights don't involve stand up fist throwing. One guy gets in the face of the other. The other talks smack. The one guy talks smack. Then, boom, they're on top of each other, on the floor. Number of bar fights that I've seen where guys are standing after 10 seconds - none.
I've got guys who come in who are 6/2, 220 and who don't feel any pain. In a crowded bar on a Friday night a tiny guy like Floyd wouldn't be able to run away. He sure as hell wouldn't be able to dance around and avoid some of the beasts who I see every weekend from grabbing him, which is when he's finished. Lot harder to punch a guy when he's got a handful of shirt in one hand, throwing punches with the other, and trying to chew your face off with the seven teeth he has left and he outweighs you by 70 pounds.

You guys are picturing a bar fight where the guys are standing up and moving and so on. That's not how it works, unless you're watching a Patrick Swazy movie.

Floyd is small and defensive and would get handled - easily. There's a reason there are weight classes.

And I'm not an "MMA fan," in the sense that I watch it religiously or I don't like boxing. Loved boxing for a lot of years. Grew up on Hagler/Hearns, tail end of Ali, early Tyson, saw Boom Boom Mancini. I lost interest in boxing after Tyson - the russians just aren't compelling, and with the Internet there's just more to do. Enjoy MMA from time to time, but I'm by no means a junkie or a fan boy.

That said, equivalent MMA vs. Boxers in a bar fight and the MMA guys have a huge advantage.

99% of the guys I separate during a fight are on the ground.

Welcome to the boneyard, sir.

 

[aceboon]

Is that true though? Not a boxing expert, but it seems to me that Mayweather's footwork, quickness and instincts prevent this from happening.

No comment on whether his punches are inflicting damage or not.

Mayweather was never the "runner" that some folks like to believe(not saying you're saying that, you spoke more on the footwork, but that's the running narrative), but he became even much more of a "in the pocket fighter" as he moved up in weight and age. The Canelo fight is a good example of Floyd fighting in the pocket, Canelo is a combination puncher and bigger than Floyd, yet he wasn't opening up because he didn't want to eat what was coming back.

 

[Fishy]

Is that true though? Not a boxing expert, but it seems to me that Mayweather's footwork, quickness and instincts prevent this from happening.

He's one of the best fighters of all-time.

The idea that he somehow can't punch and wins strictly on his defense is idiotic.

Guys don't want to walk him down because they'll spend an entire night with his fists bouncing off their faces from angles they can't predict or prevent.

 

[superjohn]

He's one of the best fighters of all-time.

The idea that he somehow can't punch and wins strictly on his defense is idiotic.

Guys don't want to walk him down because they'll spend an entire night with his fists bouncing off their faces from angles they can't predict or prevent.

As crazy as it sounds, he's actually somehow underrated.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Mayweather was never the "runner" that some folks like to believe(not saying you're saying that, you spoke more on the footwork, but that's the running narrative), but he became even much more of a "in the pocket fighter" as he moved up in weight and age. The Canelo fight is a good example of Floyd fighting in the pocket, Canelo is a combination puncher and bigger than Floyd, yet he wasn't opening up because he didn't want to eat what was coming back.

To me it's by far the most overblown talking point in sports today. The lack of respect his jab gets from a lot of boxing fans is ridiculous. There's a reason opponents rarely get up close enough to do damage to him and it's because that jab is lethal and will likely land.

 

[intlzncster]

Mayweather was never the "runner" that some folks like to believe(not saying you're saying that, you spoke more on the footwork, but that's the running narrative), but he became even much more of a "in the pocket fighter" as he moved up in weight and age. The Canelo fight is a good example of Floyd fighting in the pocket, Canelo is a combination puncher and bigger than Floyd, yet he wasn't opening up because he didn't want to eat what was coming back.

Yeah, I wasn't claiming to have any real insight (hence my 'not an expert' and 'no comment on damage' caveats). Was an honest question.

As a casual fan, my comment is what public perception more generally is, if anything. Because that's where I get any 'insight' from.

 

[uconndoit]

Coincidentally I'll be in Dublin for one night and it happens to be Aug 26. The fight is on at 4-5am though - not sure what that will mean for a public viewing since the pubs close at around 2-3am.

 

[MadDogRevival]

Coincidentally I'll be in Dublin for one night and it happens to be Aug 26. The fight is on at 4-5am though - not sure what that will mean for a public viewing since the pubs close at around 2-3am.

Yes. "Officially," they close at 2-3 am.

 

[MadDogRevival]

As a casual fan, . . .

Hello! Somebody get Chief00 in here right away. Boys, we got us a "casual fan."

 

[uconndoit]

Yes. "Officially," they close at 2-3 am.

Therein lies my only hope...

 

[NielsisGood]

Is that true though? Not a boxing expert, but it seems to me that Mayweather's footwork, quickness and instincts prevent this from happening.

No comment on whether his punches are inflicting damage or not.

Yes and no. Mosley rocked Floyd with probably the best shot anyone had ever hit him with, and then 2-3 rounds later had eaten enough counter straight rights that he pretty much just gave up from that point. If Floyd were completely feather fisted then Mosley would likely have been a lot more aggressive in trying to pursue him in that fight.

 

[MadDogRevival]

In his last 14 fights and in the last 11.5 years the guy has knocked out 2 guys. One KO was in the 10th round.
Two of the wins were by MD and one by split.
Oh yeah, clearly this guy has dynamite in his hands.
You boxing guys make fun of the MMA guys (with good cause!), but you should do some introspection.
I saw Floyds last 4 fights, including the Manny fight. Maybe he was different back in the day. Now, he doesn't avoid getting hit because other guys don't want to get in front of him. He avoids getting hit because he runs away from the other guy constantly and then picks his moment to hit. Because boxing scoring doesn't give any weight to ring control or aggression, this is a great technique for getting points and wins, which is great for a guy like FM, who hasn't had KO power, or has chosen not to use it much, in over a decade.

 

[NielsisGood]

Mayweather was never the "runner" that some folks like to believe(not saying you're saying that, you spoke more on the footwork, but that's the running narrative), but he became even much more of a "in the pocket fighter" as he moved up in weight and age. The Canelo fight is a good example of Floyd fighting in the pocket, Canelo is a combination puncher and bigger than Floyd, yet he wasn't opening up because he didn't want to eat what was coming back.

Yeah, Floyd's hip and shoulder movement have more to do with him being hard to hit than his footwork does tbh. If Floyd fought a different style he'd easily have more KO's, but he definitely seems to be aware of the potential long term ramifications of sacrificing some defense for offense. Floyd has also had some hand issues throughout his career, so that's probably attributed somewhat as well.

 

[MadDogRevival]

Therein lies my only hope...

Find a local dive bar, buy a couple of rounds, profess your undying love for CM, Guiness, St. Patrick, and all things Irish, and it twill be done.

 

[MadDogRevival]

If Floyd fought a different style he'd easily have more KO's,

Sounds like a weird way of saying, "if he didn't run, and fought more, he'd knock more guys out." How about that. We agree.

 

[NielsisGood]

In his last 14 fights and in the last 11.5 years the guy has knocked out 2 guys. One KO was in the 10th round.
Two of the wins were by MD and one by split.
Oh yeah, clearly this guy has dynamite in his hands.
You boxing guys make fun of the MMA guys (with good cause!), but you should do some introspection.
I saw Floyds last 4 fights, including the Manny fight. Maybe he was different back in the day. Now, he doesn't avoid getting hit because other guys don't want to get in front of him. He avoids getting hit because he runs away from the other guy constantly and then picks his moment to hit. Because boxing scoring doesn't give any weight to ring control or aggression, this is a great technique for getting points and wins, which is great for a guy like FM, who hasn't had KO power, or has chosen not to use it much, in over a decade.

His last 4 fights include both Maidana fights. What you described is not what happened in either fight. Clearly you didn't see those 2 fights.

 

[aceboon]

In his last 14 fights and in the last 11.5 years the guy has knocked out 2 guys. One KO was in the 10th round.
Two of the wins were by MD and one by split.
Oh yeah, clearly this guy has dynamite in his hands.
You boxing guys make fun of the MMA guys (with good cause!), but you should do some introspection.
I saw Floyds last 4 fights, including the Manny fight. Maybe he was different back in the day. Now, he doesn't avoid getting hit because other guys don't want to get in front of him. He avoids getting hit because he runs away from the other guy constantly and then picks his moment to hit. Because boxing scoring doesn't give any weight to ring control or aggression, this is a great technique for getting points and wins, which is great for a guy like FM, who hasn't had KO power, or has chosen not to use it much, in over a decade.

What? Thats part of the criteria judges use to score pro boxing. Words from veteran, licensed judge Steve Weisfeld, who also works as the unofficial judge for HBO when Harold Lederman isn't on duty, I only highlighted those two areas, the rest are in the link.

Veteran boxing judge Steve Weisfeld offers tips on how to score a fight

Effective aggression: In the extremely rare case of a judge scoring a round otherwise even, the judge might side with the boxer who was the aggressor on the theory that he is trying to make the fight. However, the key is whether or not the aggression is "effective.” Is the boxer landing or just coming forward?

Ring generalship: This term describes a boxer who is generally controlling the action and putting himself into position to land clean punches, or employing a strategy to make his opponent fight his fight. Sometimes, however, the other boxer is forced to fight his opponent's fight and comes out on top.

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

http://nypost.com/2017/08/22/las-vegas-books-staring-down-mayweather-mcgregor-disaster/

 

[superjohn]

In his last 14 fights and in the last 11.5 years the guy has knocked out 2 guys. One KO was in the 10th round.
Two of the wins were by MD and one by split.
Oh yeah, clearly this guy has dynamite in his hands.
You boxing guys make fun of the MMA guys (with good cause!), but you should do some introspection.
I saw Floyds last 4 fights, including the Manny fight. Maybe he was different back in the day. Now, he doesn't avoid getting hit because other guys don't want to get in front of him. He avoids getting hit because he runs away from the other guy constantly and then picks his moment to hit. Because boxing scoring doesn't give any weight to ring control or aggression, this is a great technique for getting points and wins, which is great for a guy like FM, who hasn't had KO power, or has chosen not to use it much, in over a decade.

Yikes, you have no understanding of boxing. Wade Garrett would be disappointed in you.

 

[Chin Diesel]

I'll go to a bar to watch.

Mayweather picks the round he wants to end it.

At weigh in it was clear Mayweather is much thicker through the chest and shoulders. Power from the core.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

To me it's by far the most overblown talking point in sports today. The lack of respect his jab gets from a lot of boxing fans is ridiculous. There's a reason opponents rarely get up close enough to do damage to him and it's because that jab is lethal and will likely land.

People also fail to mention Floyd has hand issues and he throws fewer full power shot to preserve his hands. He isn't a runner. Like you said he uses his jab and shoulder rolls to keep opponents at bay. Hell, he hit Manny about 150 times. He had to standing still at some point.

His jab and, more importantly, his lead straight right are highly disrespected by casual fans.

 

[NielsisGood]

People also fail to mention Floyd has hand issues and he throws fewer full power shot to preserve his hands. He isn't a runner. Like you said he uses his jab and shoulder rolls to keep opponents at bay. Hell, he hit Manny about 150 times. He had to standing still at some point.

His jab and, more importantly, his lead straight right are highly disrespected by casual fans.

Yeah, Floyd's hip and shoulder movement have more to do with him being hard to hit than his footwork does tbh. If Floyd fought a different style he'd easily have more KO's, but he definitely seems to be aware of the potential long term ramifications of sacrificing some defense for offense. Floyd has also had some hand issues throughout his career, so that's probably attributed somewhat as well.

At least cite me ☺