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Look up Turtleboy on YouTube for the best details on the case. The chicken parm Charlie video is funny.
 
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Happened to my friend in my hometown years ago. His house bordered a bar that could get rowdy. He was at the bar that night and was found dead in the little 2 inch stream between the bar and his house the next day. This was someone who was athletic and spent his entire life building houses, on top of slanted roofs and narrow beams all day. He had injuries like this guy and investigators immediately determined he must have been drunk and fell on the 150 yard walk home. There was no real investigation, it never sat well with me.
That's terrible.
 
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Lead investigator back on stand tomorrow. Defense on cross. Defense is gonna expose him in a way much worse than Mark Fuhrman ever was
 
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I have direct and indirect connections to people surrounding the case and I live close to Canton and play golf and socialize with a number of Canton residents. It is a very touchy subject to discuss with Canton people and it seems everyone has strong opinions about what happened including me. No matter who you think killed John O'Keefe, the way the case against Karen Read has been presented seems to point to reasonable doubt. Maybe we will find out the real story down the road after the Feds finish their investigation, but maybe not.
 
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I have direct and indirect connections to people surrounding the case and I live close to Canton and play golf and socialize with a number of Canton residents. It is a very touchy subject to discuss with Canton people and it seems everyone has strong opinions about what happened including me. No matter who you think killed John O'Keefe, the way the case against Karen Read has been presented seems to point to reasonable doubt. Maybe we will find out the real story down the road after the Feds finish their investigation, but maybe not.
Agreed. Ultimately it’s highly unlikely that there will be justice for John O’keefe’s murder and no peace for his family
 
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Police corruption you say?....Yawn... was driving into Nuevo Laredo MX a few weeks ago. Almost to Tejas. Was driving in traffic. With multiple other cars going the exact same speed as I. We may of been speeding a bit. But the standard 9-10 mph over the limit. I get selected out of the crowd. I assume its my US plates. Cop wants 2000 pesos cash. I only had 1000. He settled for that.

To be honest, even 2000 pesos is only around 100 dollars. Even at that price it would of been the cheapest speeding ticket of my life. So i guess what am i complaining about. The blatent bribery is just a bit unsettling. But its very common in MX.
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Police corruption you say?....Yawn... was driving into Nuevo Laredo MX a few weeks ago. Almost to Tejas. Was driving in traffic. With multiple other cars going the exact same speed as I. We may of been speeding a bit. But the standard 9-10 mph over the limit. I get selected out of the crowd. I assume its my US plates. Cop wants 2000 pesos cash. I only had 1000. He settled for that.

To be honest, even 2000 pesos is only around 100 dollars. Even at that price it would of been the cheapest speeding ticket of my life. So i guess what am i complaining about. The blatent bribery is just a bit unsettling. But its very common in MX.
La mordida(literally means bite), is a bribe common in Mexico. I saw it myself 30 years ago when my taxi driver saw a cop about to ticket his parked car while the taxi driver was showing me some sights while walking with me across the street from his parked taxi.

It worked and the driver never got a ticket.
 
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Police corruption you say?....Yawn... was driving into Nuevo Laredo MX a few weeks ago. Almost to Tejas. Was driving in traffic. With multiple other cars going the exact same speed as I. We may of been speeding a bit. But the standard 9-10 mph over the limit. I get selected out of the crowd. I assume its my US plates. Cop wants 2000 pesos cash. I only had 1000. He settled for that.

To be honest, even 2000 pesos is only around 100 dollars. Even at that price it would of been the cheapest speeding ticket of my life. So i guess what am i complaining about. The blatent bribery is just a bit unsettling. But its very common in MX.
We had a similar incident in Santo Domingo, DR, a few years ago. A contractor we know who had lived in the country for over 20 years told us when you get stopped you need to ask the cop to take you to the station because they've been given the OK to free lance stopping foreigners as a means of making money the city/country can't afford. But they won't do it at the station. He said that's not permitted.

He also said if you ever get in an accident just keep driving. Don't stop because you, as a foreigner, will automatically be at fault because if you hadn't been there the accident wouldn't have happened.

That was actually how it was when I was in Japan many years ago. If you injured someone in an accident you had to visit them at the hospital daily and pay them some cash as a way to show how much you care for them. Not sure about how that worked but I think it kept you from being charged by the police and helped the injured party.
 
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That’s why I walked to Tijuana after parking on the US side.
it got crazier when we were stopped at the border crossing to discover the neighborhood kids watching us pay our "fine" had taken the CA plates off the rental car. Fortunately had the rental contract so the Border Patrol eventually let us go.
 

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The fact that this case even went to trial should terrify everyone. This is a half ass attempt to frame an outsider for a fight between two cops that ended with one of them dead. There is a text thread between the people at the Albert party to get their story straight. That should have ended the case right there.

Instead, this woman is on trial for her freedom.
 

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When does Proctor get fired from state police?
Most likely while he’s on the stand these next few days
It takes a lot more than this level of misconduct and incompetence to get fired from the staties. Feds will probably have to find some clear evidence of a coverup.
 

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It's embarrassing for the state. I've listened to WAY too much of the case. The most likely scenario is she hit him, didn't notice or thought she didn't do much damage, and she drove home. She awoke the next day, realized he didn't come home, and freaked out. There is no way the cops and other goobers could keep a conspiracy this big together.
 

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The fact that this case even went to trial should terrify everyone. This is a half ass attempt to frame an outsider for a fight between two cops that ended with one of them dead. There is a text thread between the people at the Albert party to get their story straight. That should have ended the case right there.

Instead, this woman is on trial for her freedom.
I usually agree with your posts on here, but I have the exact opposite take on this case.
 
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It's embarrassing for the state. I've listened to WAY too much of the case. The most likely scenario is she hit him, didn't notice or thought she didn't do much damage, and she drove home. She awoke the next day, realized he didn't come home, and freaked out. There is no way the cops and other goobers could keep a conspiracy this big together.
This guy agrees with you...

 
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I do not know the standard for a motion for a directed verdict in a criminal case, but it certainly feels warranted. I haven't seen a shred of credible evidence yet.
 
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Think the most likely case is O’Keefe went into the Albert house drunk and pissed off that the ATF agent and KR were flirting.

Colin the punk and his uncle step in and a brawl ensues. Uncles police dog joins the fray and bites O’Keefe and someone clocks O’Keefe in the back of the head and he gets knocked out .

They panic and dump him in the front yard
 

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Think the most likely case is O’Keefe went into the Albert house drunk and pissed off that the ATF agent and KR were flirting.

Colin the punk and his uncle step in and a brawl ensues. Uncles police dog joins the fray and bites O’Keefe and someone clocks O’Keefe in the back of the head and he gets knocked out .

They panic and dump him in the front yard
They have shown his clothes now. He evidently had puncture wounds on his arms that look like dog bites and his hoodie shows holes in the same place.

For @BlueandOG maybe you are right, but the flaw is that you can't accidentally back into someone, in the snow, hard enough to kill them, unless you proceed to run them over. The prosecution says he was thrown many feet away from the impact point. So if they think she just tapped him by accident, which is possible when drunk in a snowstorm, why aren't they charging that? I think it's because that wouldn't have killed him, and yet something did.
 
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They have shown his clothes now. He evidently had puncture wounds on his arms that look like dog bites and his hoodie shows holes in the same place.

For @BlueandOG maybe you are right, but the flaw is that you can't accidentally back into someone, in the snow, hard enough to kill them, unless you proceed to run them over. The prosecution says he was thrown many feet away from the impact point. So if they think she just tapped him by accident, which is possible when drunk in a snowstorm, why aren't they charging that? I think it's because that wouldn't have killed him, and yet something did.

Wasn't his face all lumped up too like he'd been in a fight? I thought I remember reading that.
 
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Think the most likely case is O’Keefe went into the Albert house drunk and pissed off that the ATF agent and KR were flirting.

Colin the punk and his uncle step in and a brawl ensues. Uncles police dog joins the fray and bites O’Keefe and someone clocks O’Keefe in the back of the head and he gets knocked out .

They panic and dump him in the front yard
This is the sense I got based on my one day on the job
The attorney was going after Jennifer McCabe about her butt dialing over and over again trying to locate O'Keefe's phone and googling "how long does it take to die from cold" at 2:30 in the morning
I saw some evidence that based on gps, O'Keefe made it into the house up to the 3rd floor
One more thing, where exactly was the body found? I assume next to the road to make it look like Karen ran him over
If this is in fact a frame job, it's an awful attempt
 

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They have shown his clothes now. He evidently had puncture wounds on his arms that look like dog bites and his hoodie shows holes in the same place.

For @BlueandOG maybe you are right, but the flaw is that you can't accidentally back into someone, in the snow, hard enough to kill them, unless you proceed to run them over. The prosecution says he was thrown many feet away from the impact point. So if they think she just tapped him by accident, which is possible when drunk in a snowstorm, why aren't they charging that? I think it's because that wouldn't have killed him, and yet something did.

If she hit him hard enough to kill him, his body would be a mess. Reports are that the only injury he had below the neck was dog bites on his arm, but he did have a bashed up face.
 

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