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The texts from the investigator yesterday were not exactly a surprising revelation given the perception of the police right now, but still just an abhorrent display of the type of people we give power and authority to.


America's police departments need a complete do-over.
Yeah, we tried that and we now have a police hiring crisis and the standards have been lowered bringing in bad/less qualified cops. The whole criminal justice system needs an overhaul and there's certainly bad cops but I would probably put our police officers at the bottom of the list in terms of what's most problematic.
 
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This is the first I'm learning of this case so thank you for providing me another outlet/distraction.

In this day and age how is there no video of the front yard. Never mind a Ring camera. I would think a cop would have some state-of-the-art surveillance equipment at his house.

I think of "The Departed." What a cast.
 
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Police corruption you say?....Yawn... was driving into Nuevo Laredo MX a few weeks ago. Almost to Tejas. Was driving in traffic. With multiple other cars going the exact same speed as I. We may of been speeding a bit. But the standard 9-10 mph over the limit. I get selected out of the crowd. I assume its my US plates. Cop wants 2000 pesos cash. I only had 1000. He settled for that.

To be honest, even 2000 pesos is only around 100 dollars. Even at that price it would of been the cheapest speeding ticket of my life. So i guess what am i complaining about. The blatent bribery is just a bit unsettling. But its very common in MX.
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Anyone following this sordid mess of a trial?

Investigation so corrupt by Mass Staties that the FBI has already started its inquiry of MSP and Canton MA PD and sharing evidence with defense and prosecution for this trial before their inquiry is even done.

Lead investigator reading his texts (provided by the Feds) out loud while on the stand yesterday. Texts to buddies and co-workers about K Read was friggin outrageous. Not sure how this ever went to trial.
The interesting thing from my perspective is that I only have heard the name Karen Read because someone mentioned the case in my BBQ cookout on Memorial Day at my place.

Even though I live in Boston, I don't know anything about the case because I don't watch the local news at all and I don't read the Boston Globe or Boston Herald. I can tell you what sports are valued the most in the Boston area based on me taking cursory glances of the sports page of the Boston Globe, which my father in law paid for to have it sent to us, and on local sports radio coverage when I am driving.

I guess I will have to read more about this trial since it seems like it has gotten national attention.
 

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Doesn't the defense typically make a motion to dismiss after the prosecution presents its case? If I was the judge on this case, I would accept it. If I was the State DA, I would plead for the judge to accept it. The state must want this case over as quickly as possible. Every single person convicted as a result of the actions of anyone connected to this trainwreck that has seen this story has probably contacted their lawyers about appealing or challenging their verdict.

Absolutely nothing good for the Massachusetts justice department will come out of the defense wailing on this half-baked coverup when they present their own case.
 

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I'm with you, I read a bunch of articles about it a while ago. Seemed like she just him accidentally?
In reverse? In the snow? Hard enough to kill him? With no noise, no blood on the car? There's no evidence he was "run over" and yes, her Lexus SUV would squash him like a pumpkin, but those aren't his wounds. So if he was hit, in reverse, the car didn't proceed to back over him, and yet he died. Full throttle, maybe, maybe you could pull that off. But then you'd have marks of the tires and car sliding in the lawn as she braked. And wouldn't someone notice that at 2-3 AM? Wouldn't a guy being hit by a call scream in pain?

The prosecution theory is so ridiculous I can't believe it went to trial, except via some fairly widespread concocted theory, and hence the defense approach.
 

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Doesn't the defense typically make a motion to dismiss after the prosecution presents its case? If I was the judge on this case, I would accept it. If I was the State DA, I would plead for the judge to accept it. The state must want this case over as quickly as possible. Every single person convicted as a result of the actions of anyone connected to this trainwreck that has seen this story has probably contacted their lawyers about appealing or challenging their verdict.

Absolutely nothing good for the Massachusetts justice department will come out of the defense wailing on this half-baked coverup when they present their own case.
Motion for directed verdict. They will probably do that here. Prosecution's case is falling apart just from their own witnesses.
 
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100% a cover up/frame job -- there's no way a jury can convict her beyond a reasonable doubt. Sadly, I don't think the real killer will ever come to justice. Corruption at its core.
I knew one of the lead investigators in the Peter Reilly case in Litchfield. He was kind of a jerk. He always said the cops “know” who the killer is within minutes. By which he meant they decided who they thought did it. They then put all their effort into proving that no matter what other evidence shows up. Unless they get really pressed they ignore data that doesn’t fit their initial gut feelings. Unlike tv cops teal ones never look for other possibilities.
 
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Motion for directed verdict. They will probably do that here. Prosecution's case is falling apart just from their own witnesses.
I agree. Massachusetts has DAs elected by county but very minimal county government outside the justice system. Back in the day someone in the political system, governor, party boss etc would have told the DA to make this go away. Instead everyone is looking foolish. Maybe she did hit him. Maybe not. But when the lead investigator attended the wedding of one of the other possible perpetrators, and the local cops give misleading answers on the stand and the medical examiner says the cause of death is undetermined and failed his certification on top of that, and the FBI is investigating everybody, I can’t see how you can believe them. Let’s face it. Turtleboy has more credibility than the prosecution and the police.
 
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Police corruption you say?....Yawn... was driving into Nuevo Laredo MX a few weeks ago. Almost to Tejas. Was driving in traffic. With multiple other cars going the exact same speed as I. We may of been speeding a bit. But the standard 9-10 mph over the limit. I get selected out of the crowd. I assume its my US plates. Cop wants 2000 pesos cash. I only had 1000. He settled for that.

To be honest, even 2000 pesos is only around 100 dollars. Even at that price it would of been the cheapest speeding ticket of my life. So i guess what am i complaining about. The blatent bribery is just a bit unsettling. But its very common in MX.
beats even a night in a Mexican jail. Quickly "paid a fine" when stopped in Tijuana years ago
 
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I knew one of the lead investigators in the Peter Reilly case in Litchfield. He was kind of a jerk. He always said the cops “know” who the killer is within minutes. By which he meant they decided who they thought did it. They then put all their effort into proving that no matter what other evidence shows up. Unless they get really pressed they ignore data that doesn’t fit their initial gut feelings. Unlike tv cops teal ones never look for other possibilities.
People in Falls Village/Salisbury have always known who the murderer is. It was one of the Parmalee brothers.

Your last sentence is a blanket statement. Every profession has people who are great at their jobs, terrible at their jobs, and everything in between.
 
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Our family friends live in Canton a couple streets down in the neighborhood where this all occurred. Wild stuff.
 

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Motion for directed verdict. They will probably do that here. Prosecution's case is falling apart just from their own witnesses.
And yet sometimes there is a conviction anyway.
 
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Police corruption you say?....Yawn... was driving into Nuevo Laredo MX a few weeks ago. Almost to Tejas. Was driving in traffic. With multiple other cars going the exact same speed as I. We may of been speeding a bit. But the standard 9-10 mph over the limit. I get selected out of the crowd. I assume its my US plates. Cop wants 2000 pesos cash. I only had 1000. He settled for that.

To be honest, even 2000 pesos is only around 100 dollars. Even at that price it would of been the cheapest speeding ticket of my life. So i guess what am i complaining about. The blatent bribery is just a bit unsettling. But its very common in MX.
Yeah man get those plates changed asap.
 
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I live in Boston and have been seeing this on TVs since I moved here but it’s always on mute at the gym.

Had no idea that what I’ve read ITT is what was revealed in the case. Wow.
 
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You almost have to wonder if a crime was actually committed here. Maybe drunky pants cop fell down and hit his head?

It feels like the characters in Good Will Hunting 25 years on.
Happened to my friend in my hometown years ago. His house bordered a bar that could get rowdy. He was at the bar that night and was found dead in the little 2 inch stream between the bar and his house the next day. This was someone who was athletic and spent his entire life building houses, on top of slanted roofs and narrow beams all day. He had injuries like this guy and investigators immediately determined he must have been drunk and fell on the 150 yard walk home. There was no real investigation, it never sat well with me.
 

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