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OT is Brady trying to be a hero

uconngb said:
Objectively, who's better?
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Best QB now I have no doubt. The only thing about the QBs now is they are untouchable and treated like queens, the old timers weren't that fortunate. Having said that he still takes his hits and keeps ticking he's great he really is.

Jim Brown only from what I've read and heard has to be in the conversation. LT gave people more fits about preparing for him as an individual than anyone since I've watched the game. I'm sure others have thoughts but as Tom continues his success into an age which is beyond impressive that list of others will shrink but there will always be that Belechick assistance/system to me for him to be THE guy.
 
You can't cut the head coach any slack for recruiting this injury-prone star. The head coach is responsible for his players.

Oops, sorry. Wrong thread.
 
Wearing the gloves during practice and interviews does not make Tom a hero. Now if he gets into bed with Gisele with them on......
 
I think the key to the game is the Pats offensive line. If they can protect Brady well, I feel good about the Pats chances.

Also, Brady is the best football player of all time in my opinion. He has won 5 Super Bowls and been MVP in 4 of them. He is a 13 time Pro Bowl selection, and has led the league in touchdowns 4 times and is a two time league MVP. His record of 26-9 in the post season is also the highest win total for a QB. To put those 26 postseason wins in perspective, Joe Montana is second with 16, and Brady has more than Terry Bradshaw and Troy Aikman COMBINED. I just don't see anyone else with a total body of work that is that impressive.

Plenty of other great players out there like Jim Brown, Jerry Rice, LT x2..., but none who have accomplished as much as a man named Brady.
 
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UConnNick said:
Except when he plays against Eli Manning in the Super Bowl. ;)
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In one he was sucky, and in the other he broke the NFL record for consecutive completions, 21 straight.
 
Huskybass said:
I think the key to the game is the Pats offensive line. If they can protect Brady well, I feel good about the Pats chances.
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The key for me is stopping the Jaguars running game.

That will keep Brady and the Patriots off the field.

They will get yards in the passing game even with Bortles, but not as much time comes off the clock when you're passing the ball in bigger chunks.

Eventually Bortles will throw a pick.

But if the Jaguars are running the ball well and chewing clock, then it gets very dicey for the Patriots.

Pats DL vs. Jags OL is the game for me.
 
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mauconnfan said:
Best QB now I have no doubt. The only thing about the QBs now is they are untouchable and treated like queens, the old timers weren't that fortunate. Having said that he still takes his hits and keeps ticking he's great he really is.

Jim Brown only from what I've read and heard has to be in the conversation. LT gave people more fits about preparing for him as an individual than anyone since I've watched the game. I'm sure others have thoughts but as Tom continues his success into an age which is beyond impressive that list of others will shrink but there will always be that Belechick assistance/system to me for him to be THE guy.
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Wasn't Belichick Taylor's system coach? LOL.

The thing about this system is, they've been at it 17 years already and been to the championship game 12 times. You would think someone else would try this system at some point!!!
 
upstater said:
The amount of winning this guy does is unbelievable. 7 straight championship games? 12 overall in his 16 seasons? Ridiculous. He makes it to this game 75% of the time.
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Well, sure he does. The patty cake AFC east gives them an advantage towards a bye week and two home games to get to the Super Bowl. Of those 7 straight AFCC games, how many did they not get a bye and how many were played on the road?
 
Deepster said:
Well, sure he does. The patty cake AFC east gives them an advantage towards a bye week and two home games to get to the Super Bowl. Of those 7 straight AFCC games, how many did they not get a bye and how many were played on the road?
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Uh-huh. Yet the stats prove you wrong. Not only does the AFC East finish higher in the division rankings, but the Patriots have a better record against the rest of the NFL than they do the AFC East during the Brady era! This team regularly wins 75% of its games. It averages 1 or 2 losses a year to the AFCE, which is worse than what it does against the rest of the league.

As for being on the road, best record gets you home games and byes, that's what being great during the regular season gets you. But they went on the road twice for the AFCE to Pittsburgh, and they won it both times.
 
intlzncster said:
I agree. I don't think it's a great match up at all. I think the Pats will shut down the run for the most part, and Blake will have to beat them on a few plays. But it seems to me that he's been able to do that over the course of the year. At times.

The Jags are weird. Some days they look unbeatable, and then others it's like, what?

The key for the Pats is going to be Deion Lewis, James White, and Rex Burkhead. Those short/intermediate plays out of the backfield might very well dictate the tenor of this game. It's going to be impossible to go outside. Middle of the field and screens/draws are it.

This is one of those games I feel like it should be really low scoring. That means it'll probably be 42-35.
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Jags were the only team in the AFC I didn’t want to see. Great defense, good running game and a very mobile QB. People can knock Bortles but he is playing well and can kill you with his legs. Best yards per rush at QB since Vick I believe. Given the horrible LB situation for the Pats I’d rather face a thrower than a runner at QB.
 
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temery said:
You mean like what they did with Brady in case Bledsoe got hurt?
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Brady was the 3rd stringer before the year Bledsoe got hurt. He only first moved to second string that summer. He certainly wasn’t in demand and nobody would have traded for him.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Jags were the only team in the AFC I didn’t want to see. Great defense, good running game and a very mobile QB. People can knock Bortles but he is playing well and can kill you with his legs. Best yards per rush at QB since Vick I believe. Given the horrible LB situation for the Pats I’d rather face a thrower than a runner at QB.
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Mariota is just as good on the run.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Brady was the 3rd stringer before the year Bledsoe got hurt. He only first moved to second string that summer. He certainly wasn’t in demand and nobody would have traded for him.
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4th string! They had Michael Bishop at 3rd.
 
Actually the best I ever saw was Gayle Sayers. Unbelievable quickness and balance. But Brady has to be in the discussion. It’s not just Super Bowls. Every year since he took over for Bledsoe they are in the end of season conversation.
 
upstater said:
Uh-huh. Yet the stats prove you wrong. Not only does the AFC East finish higher in the division rankings, but the Patriots have a better record against the rest of the NFL than they do the AFC East during the Brady era! This team regularly wins 75% of its games. It averages 1 or 2 losses a year to the AFCE, which is worse than what it does against the rest of the league.

As for being on the road, best record gets you home games and byes, that's what being great during the regular season gets you. But they went on the road twice for the AFCE to Pittsburgh, and they won it both times.
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You’re dodging the question.

How many wins do they get every year in division? 4 or 5? Gives them a leg up on the divisison title, a playoff entry, no wild card. That’s a huge advantage.

And they’ve been home 4 of the last 6 winning all 4 at home, losing the 2 on the road. And haven’t won a road AFCC game since 2004.

Their division gives them a leg up on everyone else.
 
Deepster said:
You’re dodging the question.

How many wins do they get every year in division? 4 or 5? Gives them a leg up on the divisison title, a playoff entry, no wild card. That’s a huge advantage.

And they’ve been home 4 of the last 6 winning all 4 at home, losing the 2 on the road. And haven’t won a road AFCC game since 2004.

Their division gives them a leg up on everyone else.
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You're dodging the obvious. They do better against teams NOT in the AFCE.

You're blaming them for doing WORSE against the AFCE. Makes no sense. Every top team gets 4 or 5 wins against their division. EVERY single one.
 
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upstater said:
Wasn't Belichick Taylor's system coach? LOL.

The thing about this system is, they've been at it 17 years already and been to the championship game 12 times. You would think someone else would try this system at some point!!!
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It’s a copycat league, except for whatever offensive system the Patriots run. No one ever tries to copy that. :rolleyes:
 
Deepster said:
You’re dodging the question.

How many wins do they get every year in division? 4 or 5? Gives them a leg up on the divisison title, a playoff entry, no wild card. That’s a huge advantage.

And they’ve been home 4 of the last 6 winning all 4 at home, losing the 2 on the road. And haven’t won a road AFCC game since 2004.

Their division gives them a leg up on everyone else.
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The division is certainly not the worst in football during their period of dominance. It sure as hell wasnt this year either. The other teams are disadvantaged by having to play the Patriots twice.
 
upstater said:
You're dodging the obvious. They do better against teams NOT in the AFCE.

You're blaming them for doing WORSE against the AFCE. Makes no sense. Every top team gets 4 or 5 wins against their division. EVERY single one.
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Pittsburgh, Cindy and Baltimore have always beaten each other up good. Dallas, NY, Philly and Washington do too. In the last 15 years, no AFC east team has made it hard on the Pats give for maybe a fluke Jets or Dolphins year once or twice. That’s irrefutable.
 
Deepster said:
Pittsburgh, Cindy and Baltimore have always beaten each other up good. Dallas, NY, Philly and Washington do too. In the last 15 years, no AFC east team has made it hard on the Pats give for maybe a fluke Jets or Dolphins year once or twice. That’s irrefutable.
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Nonsense. Washington and Philly have hardly been impressive. Miami or Buffalo would do just as well in those divisions. The problem is that they have to play New England. You saw an example this year in the NFC east when you had a dominant team in the Eagles. Everybody else looked bad.
 
Deepster said:
Pittsburgh, Cindy and Baltimore have always beaten each other up good. Dallas, NY, Philly and Washington do too. In the last 15 years, no AFC east team has made it hard on the Pats give for maybe a fluke Jets or Dolphins year once or twice. That’s irrefutable.
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Cincy, Pitt and Baltimore start the season with 2 wins per year: CLEVELAND.

If Baltimore, Cincy and Pittsburgh are so tough, why are the Patriots 9-3, 7-2, 11-3 against them since Brady joined the team? 27-8!

I mean, the Patriots are better against Baltimore, Cincy and Pittsburgh than they are against the Jets, 27-11, and Miami, 23-13.

Winning % against top teams of the AFCN: 27-8 = 77%
Winning % against top teams of the AFCE: 50-24 = 67%

These numbers show how far out of their way people will go to make excuses about the Patriots winning.
 
upstater said:
Cincy, Pitt and Baltimore start the season with 2 wins per year: CLEVELAND.

If Baltimore, Cincy and Pittsburgh are so tough, why are the Patriots 9-3, 7-2, 11-3 against them since Brady joined the team? 27-8!

I mean, the Patriots are better against Baltimore, Cincy and Pittsburgh than they are against the Jets, 27-11, and Miami, 23-13.

Winning % against top teams of the AFCN: 27-8 = 77%
Winning % against top teams of the AFCE: 50-24 = 67%

These numbers show how far out of their way people will go to make excuses about the Patriots winning.
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Really?

This isn’t about if the Patriots are better than those teams. It’s that the Patriots road to the Super Bowl is smooth and easy from their advanatage of a division.

Aside from how they may or may not do against ANYONE ELSE, their division pads them and provides no resistance for them. For over a decade.
 
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Deepster said:
Really?

This isn’t about if the Patriots are better than those teams. It’s that the Patriots road to the Super Bowl is smooth and easy from their advanatage of a division.

Aside from how they may or may not do against ANYONE ELSE, their division pads them and provides no resistance for them. For over a decade.
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Sigh.

They would have had an even easier path in the AFC Central.

That's what the stats show.

I mean, how can you argue with wins and losses?

You're actually arguing against New England's record against the AFC Central.

The AFC Central is easier. The wins and losses back it up.
 
upstater said:
Sigh.

They would have had an even easier path in the AFC Central.

That's what the stats show.

I mean, how can you argue with wins and losses?

You're actually arguing against New England's record against the AFC Central.

The AFC Central is easier. The wins and losses back it up.
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Let’s just hope the unseasonably warm weather doesn’t impact the air pressure in the footballs today.
 
upstater said:
Sigh.

They would have had an even easier path in the AFC Central.

That's what the stats show.

I mean, how can you argue with wins and losses?

You're actually arguing against New England's record against the AFC Central.

The AFC Central is easier. The wins and losses back it up.
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Are you guys like 15 years in the past. There is no AFC Central nor has there been for a long time.
 
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