OT-Is Brady hurt?

[upstater]

Backup Tackle has to be a high priority. They can't let this happen again. Vollmer has proven injury prone as it is. Stork, Jackson and Mason should develop. The problem came because they had all young guys together in the middle of the line (even more so with Andrews). So a veteran guard would be a benefit while those guys improve.

RB will be interesting with Lewis. I like White as the 3rd down back. Bolden adds little, and Jackson isn't the answer. They need another young guy who can hit the hole fast and hard and break runs.

They don't need much, it's true. Chandler Jones contract will be interesting to watch.

Bolden will be back because of special teams. He just signed a decent contract.

 

[upstater]

This makes no sense given my comment? That simply means I give a crap. It's the same way when I'm watching the UCONN men. It's an excruciating experience.

And your statement is backed by nothing either.

Jerry has always been a hater. His posts in this thread just prove it.

 

[mauconnfan]

I thought you didn't watch the game?

By the way, you don't think it's a bad break that Gostkowski missed an XP? A guy who missed his second XP of his career? A guy who hasn't missed since 2006? A guy with an NFL record that will never ever be broken?

The odds of Gost missing yesterday were infinitesmal. That is a bad break.

Is it a bad break, or did he gag? Not sure but he did miss and great teams overcome it especially when in the first quarter and there were ton's of possessions there after right? Was it stupid by the Denver RB not to grab the ball and fall on the lateral? What if's are abundant throughout the game, the key is to be ahead at the end.

 

[upstater]

It is backed by attendance figures and years of living in Boston. I am not saying there are not great Pats fans, but they have the biggest fair weather fans I have ever encountered.

Back it with attendance figures then.

Go ahead.

When I went to Patriots games in the 1980s, they were always sold out. Granted this was after 1982.

In the 1990s when they went 1-15 under Rod Rust and Dick MacPherson, they had very poor attendance.

Since 1993, they have sold out and they have a season ticket waiting list.

Newsflash Jerry, the year is 2016. The Patriots have sold out the stadium for 23 years. Absurd to say fairweather fans when the stadium has sold out for 23 years. AND, it's also been sold out for all but 3 years since 1982. So 34 years have gone by, and they've had 3 years of poor attendance out of 34.

 

[intlzncster]

They may be able to afford those 3 based on the Hernandez money coming off next year, Wilfork's money, Mayo getting cut, Cannon getting cut (Cannon makes $4m!!), the cap going up, dead money from the retirements. At the very least, sign 2 and franchise the 3rd. Also, cut LaFell. He makes good coin.

I forgot about some of those guys money (Hernandez). We also save by not having a first round pick's contract! smh

Weird thing about Cannon. The Patriots view him as a starting caliber player; BB's said it multiple times and rewarded him with the requisite contract. I don't agree with their assessment. I think he's a very capable backup. I wouldn't cut him, just restructure that contract.

Def agree on LaFell cut. One thing I don't know is the structures of our contracts. Can we cut all of them and not incur additional cap charges--ie more than dead money?

Bolden will be back because of special teams. He just signed a decent contract.

Bolden is freaking awesome. Monster on all special teams units. Not sure why anyone thinks otherwise. He's dangerous on pass plays, both short and long, when covered by a linebacker. And He can effectively fill in as lead back in a pinch. He's one of those great versatile players who aren't just ST only players. While they are def necessary, you try to keep as few of those guys as possible.

 

[Jerry1714]

Jerry has always been a hater. His posts in this thread just prove it.

I know you do not like facts or anything anti pats, you are a fanboy.

 

[upstater]

Is it a bad break, or did he gag? Not sure but he did miss and great teams overcome it especially when in the first quarter and there were ton's of possessions there after right? Was it stupid by the Denver RB not to grab the ball and fall on the lateral? What if's are abundant throughout the game, the key is to be ahead at the end.

Did I say Denver didn't deserve to win? I can't understand your argument here. There is no what if. I am talking about strange things and breaks. Like Stork losing his head. Can't even remember the last time a Patriot did something like that. I am sure he will hear all about it.

As for Got gagging, he is clutch kicking game winning or late game field goals. Hard to believe anything psychological was at play in the very first quarter. He nailed kicks later on.

 

[intlzncster]

Is it a bad break, or did he gag? Not sure but he did miss and great teams overcome it especially when in the first quarter and there were ton's of possessions there after right? Was it stupid by the Denver RB not to grab the ball and fall on the lateral? What if's are abundant throughout the game, the key is to be ahead at the end.

Both. It doesn't have to be either/or. Although I wouldn't call it a choke. Kickers miss. Ghost less than most, but it happens. The margin for error is generally so thin in the NFL. It's readily apparent, that a team needs a few breaks a long the way to win a championship. Every single team. Similar to NCAA tournament really. We got the break against Arizona in 2011 when that guy back rimmed his 3pter at the end.

I don't think it was as big a factor as upstater seems to think. But it was important. Brady's throw on the interception at his own 20 was the play of the game. imo

 

[upstater]

I know you do not like facts or anything anti pats, you are a fanboy.

A hater is someone who looks at someone's 16 year career for one dumb thing they said, when that person gives multiple interviews (by NFL rule) week-after-week. Brady has given about 500 of those interviews and said something dumb once (wsan't even dumb at the time given they had the best offense in NFL history; it was only dumb after the fact).

You are the textbook definition of a hater.

 

[upstater]

Both. It doesn't have to be either/or. Although I wouldn't call it a choke. Kickers miss. Ghost less than most, but it happens.

I don't think it was as big a factor as upstater seems to think. But it was important. Brady's throw on the interception at his own 20 was the play of the game. imo

I didn't even say it was a big factor. I actually just listed it as one of the weird things that went against the Patriots. An unexpected. Just like the Stork thing that really pissed me off.

 

[Jerry1714]

A hater is someone who looks at someone's 16 year career for one dumb thing they said, when that person gives multiple interviews (by NFL rule) week-after-week. Brady has given about 500 of those interviews and said something dumb once (wsan't even dumb at the time given they had the best offense in NFL history; it was only dumb after the fact).

You are the textbook definition of a hater.

And you are the textbook definition of a sad fanboy who cries anytime something anti pats is said and liters a thread with a millions posts about how amazing everything they do is, it is honestly cringe worthy the stuff you write about them. Open your eyes a little and look at thing objectively for the first time in your life.

I do not hate Brady, I do love that interview with him though because its funny, I respect the crap outta Brady.

 

[upstater]

2008 vs NYG: 29 of 48 (60%) for 266 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT and 14 pts (and 5 sacks)
2012 vs NYG: 27 of 41 (66%) for 276 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT and 17 pts (and 2 sacks)
2014 vs Balt: 33 of 50 (66%) for 367 yds, 3 TDs, 1 INT and 35 pts (and 2 sacks) - He was hit 6 times.
2015 vs Seat: 37 of 50 (74%) for 328 yds, 4 TDs, 2 INT and 28 pts (and 1 sack) - He was hit 11 times.

Other than the 2008 game against the Giants, it doesn't appear he was hit or sacked nearly as much as you insinuate in your post.

They did a whole special on the 2012 game in which they talked about how hard he was getting hit. What are the numbers?

Same as last year with Michael Bennett. 11 times is not nothing. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/08/26/michael-bennett-quarterbacks-tom-brady/

They did put the heat on Brady last year, and Brady was hit hard.

Just listen to Justin Tuck and Strahan on this issue: http://www.danpatrick.com/2013/12/0...-of-new-rules-bradys-toughness-rgiiis-issues/

Or look at 1:05 of this, it's not even a sack but just a hard hit, and it came at a time when the Patriots were struggling and Brady was throwing interceptions. When Brady was getting hit and the offense was going nowhere, Richard Sherman was celebrating victory on the sidelines.

 

[upstater]

And you are the textbook definition of a sad fanboy who cries anytime something anti pats is said and liters a thread with a millions posts about how amazing everything they do is, it is honestly cringe worthy the stuff you write about them. Open your eyes a little and look at thing objectively for the first time in your life.

I do not hate Brady, I do love that interview with him though because its funny, I respect the crap outta Brady.

Nothing I've written here is embarrassing in the least. You on the other hand make all sorts of claims you can't possibly defend, like attendance issues, and when you're called on it BY MULTIPLE posters you shrink away and pretend it never happened.

 

[Scoe]

 

[Jerry1714]

Nothing I've written here is embarrassing in the least. You on the other hand make all sorts of claims you can't possibly defend, like attendance issues, and when you're called on it BY MULTIPLE posters you shrink away and pretend it never happened.

Who called me out other than you? Did the Pats not have a 17 game blackout streak? That is 2+ seasons.

There is a freaking book written about their bandwagon fans and attendance issues until they started winning. Read it.

I am glad you are not embarrassed being a fanboy, you should be though.

 

[upstater]

Who called me out other than you? Did the Pats not have a 17 game blackout streak? That is 2+ seasons.

If you can't tell when people ask you to support your attendance claims, that means you can't read. It's in the thread. But as usual, you can't read.

 

[StoweD210]

Who called me out other than you? Did the Pats not have a 17 game blackout streak? That is 2+ seasons.

There is a freaking book written about their bandwagon fans and attendance issues until they started winning. Read it.

I am glad you are not embarrassed being a fanboy, you should be though.

You actually spent money on that book??? The one written by a bandwagon Vikings fan? That is funny stuff.

Did you complete the word search and connect the dots at the end of the book?

 

[Jerry1714]

If you can't tell when people ask you to support your attendance claims, that means you can't read. It's in the thread. But as usual, you can't read.

jesus you are lost, ignore the blackout streak, ignore it all, just keep being a fanboy. How about the 89 season where opening game they had 57k, by the end of the losing year their final game had 27k. 49k went a game in 84, 86 they got good 59k went a game, late 80s and early 90s the attendance was pathetc. 45k in 93, 38k in 92, so on and so on. The numbers are pitiful.

ill make it easy for you, the pats are the best, they do no wrong, their attendance has always been great, hernadez was framed, they rule. i dont want you to be upset so there you go.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Bolden is freaking awesome. Monster on all special teams units. Not sure why anyone thinks otherwise. He's dangerous on pass plays, both short and long, when covered by a linebacker. And He can effectively fill in as lead back in a pinch. He's one of those great versatile players who aren't just ST only players. While they are def necessary, you try to keep as few of those guys as possible.

I mentioned Bolden as an RB. He's a nice depth player on special teams. He can't be allowed to become, as he briefly was, your lead RB. With Lewis returning from injury, Blount unlikely to return they need a new, young, lead back who can move the chains on 3rd and 2.

 

[HuskyHawk]

jesus you are lost, ignore the blackout streak, ignore it all, just keep being a fanboy. How about the 89 season where opening game they had 57k, by the end of the losing year their final game had 27k. 49k went a game in 84, 86 they got good 59k went a game, late 80s and early 90s the attendance was pathetc. 45k in 93, 38k in 92, so on and so on. The numbers are pitiful.

ill make it easy for you, the pats are the best, they do no wrong, their attendance has always been great, hernadez was framed, they rule. i dont want you to be upset so there you go.

It hasn't always been great. But for the last 30+ years, which is not a short period of time, it has been superb. Several teams haven't even existed that long. That's a lifetime for some fans and many people on the board. There is no team, none, that is unaffected by fielding truly awful teams (including the UConn Huskies). Not the Red Sox, not the Yankees, Redskins nobody. Even the Cubs...who know losing better than most.

Saying that the Patriots have fair-weather fans based on 1989 is absurd. That stadium was so freaking miserable that having anyone show up in mid-winter to watch a bad team is pretty good. They don't have fair weather fans now.

Using the magic of Google, we see that the Giants (predictably) have the largest waiting list for season tickets, followed (predictably) by the Packers. Next are the Saints, Patriots and Denver (over 60,000). Half the teams have no waiting list. Many have a very small one.

 

[Jerry1714]

It hasn't always been great. But for the last 30+ years, which is not a short period of time, it has been superb. Several teams haven't even existed that long. That's a lifetime for some fans and many people on the board. There is no team, none, that is unaffected by fielding truly awful teams (including the UConn Huskies). Not the Red Sox, not the Yankees, Redskins nobody. Even the Cubs...who know losing better than most.

Saying that the Patriots have fair-weather fans based on 1989 is absurd. That stadium was so freaking miserable that having anyone show up in mid-winter to watch a bad team is pretty good. They don't have fair weather fans now.

Using the magic of Google, we see that the Giants (predictably) have the largest waiting list for season tickets, followed (predictably) by the Packers. Next are the Saints, Patriots and Denver (over 60,000). Half the teams have no waiting list. Many have a very small one.

I completely disagree, but only time will tell on that.

 

[superjohn]

It hasn't always been great. But for the last 30+ years, which is not a short period of time, it has been superb. Several teams haven't even existed that long. That's a lifetime for some fans and many people on the board. There is no team, none, that is unaffected by fielding truly awful teams (including the UConn Huskies). Not the Red Sox, not the Yankees, Redskins nobody. Even the Cubs...who know losing better than most.

Saying that the Patriots have fair-weather fans based on 1989 is absurd. That stadium was so freaking miserable that having anyone show up in mid-winter to watch a bad team is pretty good. They don't have fair weather fans now.

Using the magic of Google, we see that the Giants (predictably) have the largest waiting list for season tickets, followed (predictably) by the Packers. Next are the Saints, Patriots and Denver (over 60,000). Half the teams have no waiting list. Many have a very small one.

The Patriots don't have fair weather fans now? You can honestly say that with a straight face? I've met people from Boston who no longer root for the Patriots because they are so disgusted with the pink hats.

 

[intlzncster]

The Patriots don't have fair weather fans now? You can honestly say that with a straight face? I've met people from Boston who no longer root for the Patriots because they are so disgusted with the pink hats.

Yeah, but those people are crap fans too. You either support your team, or you don't. Can't worry about other people and what they do.

That's like stopping to enjoy your favorite band, because a bunch of dbags decided to like them. But they still make great music. Nonsensical.

And let's face it, every successful team has fair weather fans. Every single one.

 

[intlzncster]

 

[HuskyHawk]

The Patriots don't have fair weather fans now? You can honestly say that with a straight face? I've met people from Boston who no longer root for the Patriots because they are so disgusted with the pink hats.

All I know is that here in the Boston suburbs the fans are quite vocal and strong. Anectdotes about some people from Boston are absurd when a team has a 60,000 person waiting list. I don't see any "pink hat" types at Gillette. Red Sox games...hell yes. I love the team, but I don't go anymore. Nobody is even paying attention. Patriots games couldn't be more different. I went to a couple of 49er games in the 90's when I lived out there...now those are some pink hat wearing, marinated mushroom eating fair-weather fans. I think the move to Santa Clara will help them. Football fans have long come from the suburbs, not the city.

 

[Devland]

The Patriots don't have fair weather fans now? You can honestly say that with a straight face? I've met people from Boston who no longer root for the Patriots because they are so disgusted with the pink hats.

Every team, including UConn, has fair weather fans. I can remember being at the Rent last year in the pouring rain with a handful of other fans watching UConn upset UCF. It was one of the best times I've had at any UConn sporting event. Then going home and reading complaints about the crowd on the Boneyard. Most likely from people sitting at home watching on TV.

 

[tzznandrew]

All I know is that here in the Boston suburbs the fans are quite vocal and strong. Anectdotes about some people from Boston are absurd when a team has a 60,000 person waiting list. I don't see any "pink hat" types at Gillette. Red Sox games...hell yes. I love the team, but I don't go anymore. Nobody is even paying attention. Patriots games couldn't be more different. I went to a couple of 49er games in the 90's when I lived out there...now those are some pink hat wearing, marinated mushroom eating fair-weather fans. I think the move to Santa Clara will help them. Football fans have long come from the suburbs, not the city.

Seriously, as someone who lives in the city and doesn't root for the team, their sustained success has really built up a fanbase I suspect will whether any upcoming down stretch.

 

[Rocktheworld]

This is what it's like to be a Pats fan. And people wonder why we have what they think is a persecution complex. Every single 'Pats Hater' (for lack of a better term--hate the word 'hater') loves to pile on ad nauseum at their slightest misstep. You can tell these guys instantly from the tone of their posts. They share so many tendencies of Syracuse fans, its laugh out loud funny.

I don't think you are seeing many Pats fans being irrational about the game.

Nah. We rib you Pats fans because you're so easily riled and are so quick to become so defensive. The joke is on you. And it isn't a persecution thing. Y'all are just super insecure for some odd reason. The sounds I invariably hear in Boston from Pats fans when I tell them I'm a Giants fan tells the whole story.

 

[intlzncster]

Nah. We rib you Pats fans because you're so easily riled and are so quick to become so defensive. The joke is on you. And it isn't a persecution thing. Y'all are just super insecure for some odd reason. The sounds I invariably hear in Boston from Pats fans when I tell them I'm a Giants fan tells the whole story.

You are in the minority then. Most people I meet in bars enjoy seeing the Pats lose more than anything outside their own team winning. And the amount of BS spread around the Net about the Pats borders on JFK conspiracy levels.

You expect Patriots fans to be happy you are Giants fan? For some younger fans, I imagine it's the most heartbreaking loss in their lives. I personally could care less whoever someone's fan of, but I expect you to be able to talk football without resorting to smoke and dagger BS.

 

[auggie22]

Who called me out other than you? Did the Pats not have a 17 game blackout streak? That is 2+ seasons.

There is a freaking book written about their bandwagon fans and attendance issues until they started winning. Read it.

I am glad you are not embarrassed being a fanboy, you should be though.

Consider this me calling you out for avoiding the question.