OT: How Bad Are the Giants?

[Improviser]

How he’s even still their QB is mind blowing.

They thought he would revert to his 2022 second half of the season performance or even his rookie year performance(neither were all pro performances). They thought a revamped OL
and a stud receiver would make a difference

Misplaced optimism for sure.

This quote below shows some reason for optimism, though.

Jones' contract also allows the Giants to move on from him in 2025 with relatively minor financial penalty. They'll carry just $11.1 million in dead cap if they choose to cut or trade him in a post-June 1 move next summer, clearing an avenue for general manager Joe Schoen to look elsewhere if he deems it necessary.

 

[JohnFSilver]

Shadeur Sanders hurt his draft standing this weekend. I don’t think Beck or Ewers are worthy of a top 3 pick either.

I don’t want any of them. Just go get a veteran. trevor Lawrence and Joe burrow will be on market soon. I would do a qb Coming off a rookie contract.

 

[FlippinCrazy!]

Exactly…it’s all on Mara. He makes the Fb decisions. Just because your dad knew how to run a Fb team, doesn’t mean you do

He won 2 super bowls with people his father put in place. His decisions have been utterly atrocious. I think every decision he made has been wrong…starting with firing Coughlin.

If he didn’t own the team he would never have any football related job.

I hate when owners play a huge part in the roster construction. It never works out. The angels owner and James Dolan come to mind. You spend a ton of money on smart GMs and executives, only to shrug them off to the side and sign who you want like it’s some fantasy team, I just don’t get it.

 

[FlippinCrazy!]

They thought he would revert to his 2022 second half of the season performance or even his rookie year performance(neither were all pro performances). They thought a revamped OL
and a stud receiver would make a difference

Misplaced optimism for sure.

This quote below shows some reason for optimism, though.

Jones' contract also allows the Giants to move on from him in 2025 with relatively minor financial penalty. They'll carry just $11.1 million in dead cap if they choose to cut or trade him in a post-June 1 move next summer, clearing an avenue for general manager Joe Schoen to look elsewhere if he deems it necessary.

I’m not a giants fan so really didn’t watch the majority of games, but I seem to remember his first two years being riddled with sacks and fumbles. I remember when there was a ton of hype around him those years, he had a relatively good td-int ratio but if you factored in the fumbles then not so much. Always thought he was way overrated, turns out I was actually right for a change…

 

[JohnFSilver]

They thought he would revert to his 2022 second half of the season performance or even his rookie year performance(neither were all pro performances). They thought a revamped OL
and a stud receiver would make a difference

Misplaced optimism for sure.

This quote below shows some reason for optimism, though.

Jones' contract also allows the Giants to move on from him in 2025 with relatively minor financial penalty. They'll carry just $11.1 million in dead cap if they choose to cut or trade him in a post-June 1 move next summer, clearing an avenue for general manager Joe Schoen to look elsewhere if he deems it necessary.

He was bad, and has to go but offense line still wasn’t good and they have the worst rb and tight ends in the nfl. Nabers is good, I think, but slayton, wandale and Hyatt are replacement level wrs.

he has no weapons, line isn’t good, he isn’t good and the coach sucks , again.

go Player by player, only Thomas definitely starts on the offense side When compared to eagles. That is an incredible lack of talent.

nabers is WR 3 on eagles. So, we gotta look eyes wide open here.

 

[uh-no]

They're gonna end up with the #1 pick in a year where there's not a single QB worth drafting. So that's something

not a QB in the world can polish that turd of an O-line.

 

[JohnFSilver]

Also. Mara owns the team. the family is never selling, ever. It is the family business. He is a good owner. Maybe too loyal, that’s it. Organizational issues stem from not getting rid of coughlin correctly and screwing up the jones development.

 

[TheHorde]

I don’t want any of them. Just go get a veteran. trevor Lawrence and Joe burrow will be on market soon. I would do a qb Coming off a rookie contract.

Neither of those two guys will be let go. Maybe Cousins could be had in a trade.

 

[NJHusky]

I hate when owners play a huge part in the roster construction. It never works out. The angels owner and James Dolan come to mind. You spend a ton of money on smart GMs and executives, only to shrug them off to the side and sign who you want like it’s some fantasy team, I just don’t get it.

It’s not his roster mgt, it’s his inability to hire executives. I had hope for Schoen, but that ship is sailing. Has Mara made even 1 good hire? I can’t think of one

 

[The Viking]

Surprised they didn't go to Cutlets in the second half. Jones showed nothing outside of probably holding onto the ball too long, not throwing an accurate ball, locking onto receivers too long.
But other than that.

 

[NJHusky]

Also. Mara owns the team. the family is never selling, ever. It is the family business. He is a good owner. Maybe too loyal, that’s it. Organizational issues stem from not getting rid of coughlin correctly and screwing up the jones development.

Why is he a good owner?? He seems like a good person but he seems incompetent as an owner, since his top job is to hire the gm/coach. His record there is abysmal

 

[HooperScooper]

Exactly…it’s all on Mara. He makes the Fb decisions. Just because your dad knew how to run a Fb team, doesn’t mean you do

He won 2 super bowls with people his father put in place. His decisions have been utterly atrocious. I think every decision he made has been wrong…starting with firing Coughlin.

If he didn’t own the team he would never have any football related job.

Completely agree on this. I've been saying it for a few years. Terrible with hiring people in decision making positions. Ultimately that's an owner's biggest responsibility.

 

[NJHusky]

I don’t want any of them. Just go get a veteran. trevor Lawrence and Joe burrow will be on market soon. I would do a qb Coming off a rookie contract.

Maybe we can sign Darnold.

 

[HooperScooper]

Also. Mara owns the team. the family is never selling, ever. It is the family business. He is a good owner. Maybe too loyal, that’s it. Organizational issues stem from not getting rid of coughlin correctly and screwing up the jones development.

I'm not sure you understand what a sports franchise owner's job is. See my and @NJHusky's responses.

 

[JohnFSilver]

Neither of those two guys will be let go. Maybe Cousins could be had in a trade.

I disagree on burrow. I think it is getting bad down there. As far as Lawrence, he really hasn’t been good enough to warrant a huge deal. Can also maybe get cousins.

Could be worse. Jones better than Bryce Young. Yikes.

 

[TheHorde]

Was stupid to hold onto to Saquon when the Giants were 1-6 especially when you know he wasn’t coming back, it wouldn’t have been tanking persay but just moving on. It would’ve been craftily tanking I’d say and I did say it at the time.

Then you would’ve had Caleb Williams at least a top 3 pick. This isn’t much of a qb draft but you have to take one, sit the kid his rookie year and maybe have Drew Locke as a stop gap, ie a Jacoby Brissett type of stop gap. Knowing the Giants they draft the wrong qb and miss on a franchise qb.

I feel like Drake Maye can be at least a middle of the pack NFL starter, maybe even a top 10 starter one day. It’s a relief going into next year’s draft knowing the Pats can try to get a left tackle and wide receiver help and not have to worry about a quarterback.

 

[jdb50]

John Mara is on a run like when his Dad Wellington was making football decisions and traded Sam Huff and then oversaw the complete collapse of the team from 65 to 79. The dropoff in talent at the end of Elis career and the drafting of Daniel Jones and then the stupidity of doubling down on him when Gettleman left and Judge was fired and Schoen and Daboll were brought in. Bad coaching choice after bad coaching choice. George Young turned the Giants around for Wellington. Don't know if anyone can help John Mara.

 

[TheHorde]

I disagree on burrow. I think it is getting bad down there. As far as Lawrence, he really hasn’t been good enough to warrant a huge deal. Can also maybe get cousins.

Could be worse. Jones better than Bryce Young. Yikes.

Chase and Higgins have been the bigger distractions. The same reason Giants fans want him to be available is why he won’t be moved. The return wouldn’t be worth it especially in a very weak QB draft.

 

[JohnFSilver]

I'm not sure you understand what a sports franchise owner's job is. See my and @NJHusky's responses.

Meh. Mara family has been intimately involved in franchise and personnel for 100 years.
Chris Mara is in the org. John listens to executives, but he signs the checks and it is, literally, his team.

Always makes me laugh when people say owners shouldn’t mettle. Celtics owner mettle, Yankees owners need to mettle more…

They just have fallen short as an organization on the talent procurement angle. If Mara had more of a say Barkley is still in New York. They loved him.

 

[navery12]

I disagree on burrow. I think it is getting bad down there. As far as Lawrence, he really hasn’t been good enough to warrant a huge deal. Can also maybe get cousins.

Could be worse. Jones better than Bryce Young. Yikes.

The Giants are never getting any of those guys. There's living in fantasy land and then there's thinking you're getting a Joe Burrow or Trevor Lawrence in FA

 

[JohnFSilver]

Chase and Higgins have been the bigger distractions. The same reason Giants fans want him to be available is why he won’t be moved. The return wouldn’t be worth it especially in a very weak QB draft.

it would have to go so bad. But Stafford, Carr. Mayfield, they change teams. I am fine with that caliber of qb.

 

[TheHorde]

Meh. Mara family has been intimately involved in franchise and personnel for 100 years.
Chris Mara is in the org. John listens to executives, but he signs the checks and it is, literally, his team.

Always makes me laugh when people say owners shouldn’t mettle. Celtics owner mettle, Yankees owners need to mettle more…

They just have fallen short as an organization on the talent procurement angle. If Mara had more of a say Barkley is still in New York. They loved him.

It’s about hiring the right people and staying out of their way. George Steinbrenner meddled a lot with mixed results. Ironically, the late ‘90s/early 2000s dynasty was born when George was suspended and couldn’t meddle. Gene Michael drafted and developed the likes of Jeter, Pettitte, Posada, and Rivera.

 

[navery12]

They just have fallen short as an organization on the talent procurement angle. If Mara had more of a say Barkley is still in New York. They loved him.

And this is exactly why the Mara's need to stop meddling. Let the football people make decisions. They should have traded Barkley 2 years ago. You're unintentionally arriving at the issue with Giants ownership here

 

[NJHusky]

And this is exactly why the Mara's need to stop meddling. Let the football people make decisions. They should have traded Barkley 2 years ago. You're unintentionally arriving at the issue with Giants ownership here

It’s not meddling…as someone else said Mara wanted to kept saywuon but he listened to schoen. The issue is he hires incompetent people AND listens to them

 

[HooperScooper]

Always makes me laugh when people say owners shouldn’t mettle. Celtics owner mettle, Yankees owners need to mettle more…

Depends what you define as "mettle". I happen to have very inside information on the Celtics' ownership. They are very involved, as they should be, but ultimately they let the people they hire make the decisions. They've hired pretty good people in decision making positions, pay them well, ask the right questions of their decision makers, but then let those people do their jobs. Ultimately that's what I think a good owner should do. I can promise you that the Celtics' owners aren't making player personnel decisions, but they do challenge their decision makers and make them answer why they want to do things. I don't think 99% of owners should do what Jerry Jones does.

 

[TheHorde]

Question for Giants fans—-knowing what you know now, would you rather have drafted McCarthy at pick 6 last spring? I know McCarthy is hurt now. This question assumes that the change of scenery means different circumstances and no resulting injury.

 

[Scoe]

Meh. Mara family has been intimately involved in franchise and personnel for 100 years.
Chris Mara is in the org. John listens to executives, but he signs the checks and it is, literally, his team.

Always makes me laugh when people say owners shouldn’t mettle. Celtics owner mettle, Yankees owners need to mettle more…

They just have fallen short as an organization on the talent procurement angle. If Mara had more of a say Barkley is still in New York. They loved him.

They were drafting Daniel Jones all along no matter what the red flags were because of the relationship the Manning family had with David Cutcliffe.

They viewed Daniel Jones as being exactly like Eli, they wanted a qb who does things the quote on quote "Giant way", just unfair expectations to put on a qb. Jones is a good guy who won't get trouble or won't say anything stupid no doubt he works hard and probably is a good leader and has a good heart but he doesn't have it between the ears like Eli did. The Giants ownership took Eli's durability and moxie for granted.

 

[navery12]

It’s not meddling…as someone else said Mara wanted to kept saywuon but he listened to schoen. The issue is he hires incompetent people AND listens to them

It's meddling, it's all been very public what they've been doing. Chris Mara literally failed his way up the ladder in the Giants front office. The Saquon situation is a good sign that they're turning a new leaf and will hopefully let Schoen run the team

 

[navery12]

Question for Giants fans—-knowing what you know now, would you rather have drafted McCarthy at pick 6 last spring? I know McCarthy is hurt now. This question assumes that the change of scenery means different circumstances and no resulting injury.

Absolutely not. McCarthy is no better than whoever they'd end up taking this year, and now that QB will have Malik Nabers to throw to

 

[TheHorde]

Absolutely not. McCarthy is no better than whoever they'd end up taking this year, and now that QB will have Malik Nabers to throw to

I’m not sold on McCarthy myself. I laughed at the Falcons taking Penix that high after paying Cousins, but maybe it was actually a smart move.