OT: How Bad Are the Giants?
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Shadeur Sanders hurt his draft standing this weekend. I don’t think Beck or Ewers are worthy of a top 3 pick either.
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Been a Giant fan since the 50's also. Saw many games in the old old Yankee Stadium. I was overseas in the early 70s and missed the Yale Bowl Giants but my parents had seasons tickets. Jones is pathetic. He had a 44.3 QB rating today. He has no ability to improvise. He is one dimensional. He looks in one direction for the play. The interception in the end zone was actually four man coverage. On his pic 6 he did not see the linebacker Van Ginkel. He thinks he has great speed but he is not illusive or evasive. When he runs in the open it always "Feets don't fail me now!" Remember the 96 yd non-touchdown? The team looked slow, out of pace. Too many delays of game. The uniforms look horrible. The pants looked like paper bags which are an appropriate stylistic encore to the upcoming wearing of bags over the patrons heads. I can see it now. "In the first selection of the 2025 NFL Draft, the NY Giants select ??. Can't wait for Natty Three-peat!
Exactly…it’s all on Mara. He makes the Fb decisions. Just because your dad knew how to run a Fb team, doesn’t mean you do
He won 2 super bowls with people his father put in place. His decisions have been utterly atrocious. I think every decision he made has been wrong…starting with firing Coughlin.
If he didn’t own the team he would never have any football related job.
Was stupid to hold onto to Saquon when the Giants were 1-6 especially when you know he wasn’t coming back, it wouldn’t have been tanking persay but just moving on. It would’ve been craftily tanking I’d say and I did say it at the time.
Then you would’ve had Caleb Williams at least a top 3 pick. This isn’t much of a qb draft but you have to take one, sit the kid his rookie year and maybe have Drew Locke as a stop gap, ie a Jacoby Brissett type of stop gap. Knowing the Giants they draft the wrong qb and miss on a franchise qb.
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They thought he would revert to his 2022 second half of the season performance or even his rookie year performance(neither were all pro performances). They thought a revamped OL
and a stud receiver would make a difference
Misplaced optimism for sure.
This quote below shows some reason for optimism, though.
Jones' contract also allows the Giants to move on from him in 2025 with relatively minor financial penalty. They'll carry just $11.1 million in dead cap if they choose to cut or trade him in a post-June 1 move next summer, clearing an avenue for general manager Joe Schoen to look elsewhere if he deems it necessary.
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I don’t want any of them. Just go get a veteran. trevor Lawrence and Joe burrow will be on market soon. I would do a qb Coming off a rookie contract.
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I hate when owners play a huge part in the roster construction. It never works out. The angels owner and James Dolan come to mind. You spend a ton of money on smart GMs and executives, only to shrug them off to the side and sign who you want like it’s some fantasy team, I just don’t get it.
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I’m not a giants fan so really didn’t watch the majority of games, but I seem to remember his first two years being riddled with sacks and fumbles. I remember when there was a ton of hype around him those years, he had a relatively good td-int ratio but if you factored in the fumbles then not so much. Always thought he was way overrated, turns out I was actually right for a change…
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He was bad, and has to go but offense line still wasn’t good and they have the worst rb and tight ends in the nfl. Nabers is good, I think, but slayton, wandale and Hyatt are replacement level wrs.
he has no weapons, line isn’t good, he isn’t good and the coach sucks , again.
go Player by player, only Thomas definitely starts on the offense side When compared to eagles. That is an incredible lack of talent.
nabers is WR 3 on eagles. So, we gotta look eyes wide open here.
not a QB in the world can polish that turd of an O-line.
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Also. Mara owns the team. the family is never selling, ever. It is the family business. He is a good owner. Maybe too loyal, that’s it. Organizational issues stem from not getting rid of coughlin correctly and screwing up the jones development.
Neither of those two guys will be let go. Maybe Cousins could be had in a trade.
It’s not his roster mgt, it’s his inability to hire executives. I had hope for Schoen, but that ship is sailing. Has Mara made even 1 good hire? I can’t think of one
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Surprised they didn't go to Cutlets in the second half. Jones showed nothing outside of probably holding onto the ball too long, not throwing an accurate ball, locking onto receivers too long.
But other than that.
But other than that.
Why is he a good owner?? He seems like a good person but he seems incompetent as an owner, since his top job is to hire the gm/coach. His record there is abysmal
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Completely agree on this. I've been saying it for a few years. Terrible with hiring people in decision making positions. Ultimately that's an owner's biggest responsibility.
Maybe we can sign Darnold.
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I'm not sure you understand what a sports franchise owner's job is. See my and @NJHusky's responses.
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I disagree on burrow. I think it is getting bad down there. As far as Lawrence, he really hasn’t been good enough to warrant a huge deal. Can also maybe get cousins.
Could be worse. Jones better than Bryce Young. Yikes.
I feel like Drake Maye can be at least a middle of the pack NFL starter, maybe even a top 10 starter one day. It’s a relief going into next year’s draft knowing the Pats can try to get a left tackle and wide receiver help and not have to worry about a quarterback.
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John Mara is on a run like when his Dad Wellington was making football decisions and traded Sam Huff and then oversaw the complete collapse of the team from 65 to 79. The dropoff in talent at the end of Elis career and the drafting of Daniel Jones and then the stupidity of doubling down on him when Gettleman left and Judge was fired and Schoen and Daboll were brought in. Bad coaching choice after bad coaching choice. George Young turned the Giants around for Wellington. Don't know if anyone can help John Mara.
Chase and Higgins have been the bigger distractions. The same reason Giants fans want him to be available is why he won’t be moved. The return wouldn’t be worth it especially in a very weak QB draft.
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Meh. Mara family has been intimately involved in franchise and personnel for 100 years.
Chris Mara is in the org. John listens to executives, but he signs the checks and it is, literally, his team.
Always makes me laugh when people say owners shouldn’t mettle. Celtics owner mettle, Yankees owners need to mettle more…
They just have fallen short as an organization on the talent procurement angle. If Mara had more of a say Barkley is still in New York. They loved him.