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OT: Heartbroken for UCF

Duke is going to get that call all day long, just the way things are. It sucks but unless he bulled him over they weren't calling a foul.
 
Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
What does their class look like coming in? Taylor and Tacko were there when Bazz played. I know it’s unpopular but I have no simpathy for the team with sideshow center, linebacker playing PG and Easter Island statue playing forward. They’ve been living a very charmed life as an athletic department. It’s ok to lose once in a while.
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What in the world is with you and UCF

Also, neither Tacko nor BJ Taylor were there when Bazz was here.
 
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Didn't realize Dawkins is a junior. That dude looked very NBA ready.
 
bazz&boujee said:
if you guys are screenshooting images and still can’t decide what was a foul and not how the heck are refs going to call it in real time :confused: umps call strikes a ball and zebras miss P.I. IT’S SPORTS
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But he froze and zoomed in on an above the hoop angle! How did the refs miss that??!?!?
 
Johnney Dawkins a class act and a very good coach, he will be coaching a P5 again soon, maybe even Dook after K retires.
 
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Jaker said:
Bottom line, even without the calls, UCF would have won if they finish the 2-1 break or the wide open put backs.
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Yup, no question. They had their chances, no doubt. And yet, this was not just a poorly unofficiated game at the end, it was all game long and went both ways. But obviously the calls at the very end get exaggerated because they literally decide the outcome of the game in very short order.

And on an overall basis, they have to STOP wth these endless reviews of inconsequential plays. It’s bad enough watching inconsistent and at best, poor, officiating......but to then stop the game for minutes at a time over minor things just ruins flow, continuity, and enjoyment. NCAA needs to do a much better job deciding and articulating what can and can’t be reviewed, and put a dam time limit on it. The endless reviews suck the enjoyment right out of the game.
 
It's incredible to think how UConn pretty consistently shut down Tacko even in our struggles the last couple years, yet against the supposed clear cut best team in the nation he was damn near dominant in the post. Only answer Duke really had for him was when he had to go to the bench with fouls (at least 2 of which were quite questionable...)
 
how is the outlook for UCF going forward? great performance this year.. but not sure this team will be back to this level, losing tacko, brown, taylor and likely a 24 year old dawkins to the pros and they aren’t pulling in stacked recruiting classes either. seems as good as it’ll get for the knights for the foreseeable fortune
 
dilznick said:
The gut wrenching mistakes they made at the end:

1. The missed ally-oop dunk
2. Letting Zion just make the lay up while up 3
3. No box out on the missed fee throw
4. Tap in doesn’t go down

If the execute just 1 of these they win the game...you never get over losses like this.
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That Alley Oop was the seal for Dook. Up 4 and missed that very easy slam which would of brought the house down nation wide. Dook returned immediately with a trey. Make that dunk, game over Dook goes home. I seriously thought Coach K was crying or about to cry at the end.
 
bazz&boujee said:
how is the outlook for UCF going forward? great performance this year.. but not sure this team will be back to this level, losing tacko, brown, taylor and likely a 24 year old dawkins to the pros and they aren’t pulling in stacked recruiting classes either. seems as good as it’ll get for the knights for the foreseeable fortune
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That's okay. Every year I make that game at UCF with son from Savannah. I can't remember when we won there. It would be nice to see a thrashing on UCF.
 
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Not a huge hoops fan and the end of the UCF-Duke game just reminded me of everything I dislike about college basketball. Football season can't come soon enough.
 
Who cares about UCF. I wanted to see Duke lose, UCF blew it. If you think UCF upsetting Duke in any way benefits the AAC or UCONN long term, you're wrong. We are still stuck in a perceived mid major conference, our TV deal is subpar compared to P5 and we haven't made the tournament for 3 years.
Upsets happen all the time in the tournament, I'm heartbroken UCON failed to make the tournament again. Screw Duke and UCF.
 
Seth Greenberg did a nice job showing the 2 fouls on the FT Zion missed circling them both. Ref can't ignore one or the other. 15 hooked his guy so he couldn't get to the rebound and as soon as the UCF guy went to jump for the ball on the other Barrett 2 handed pushed him under the basket, just incredible BS. Problem though is they let that stuff happen too much during every gamer as it is. But in that case can't swallow that thing, especially after the Zion charge. And if you are going to make that call then be consistent and make the call on Trey Jones riding him OOB's on the other end as he beat him off the dribble.
 
Chin Diesel said:
My point is when you focus on the box out you set your feet and lower your CG to withstand a push in the back. You go for the ball and out all your momentum going up towards the rim and that same push in the back gets you what happened today.

I forget all the new rule changes but if Dawkins could have called a TO before Zion's FT I would gave used the last TO at that point. Settle your players down and focus on first things first.
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Partially right on the box out, but also your head has to be on a swivel and the FIRST thing you do is look at your man and make contact, typically put your forearm in his chest. UCF was ball watching, the guy who got hooked at least set himself better, the guy who lost the rebound:
1. Didn't initiate contact with the man he was supposed to box out
2. Ball watched
3. Set up too low and too upright
Boxing out isn't a wide stance under the rim - it is physically moving your man away from the rim FIRST and then going to get the ball. If both UCF guys initiate the contact in the split second while the shot is released then they are about to be the aggressors, can get away with some extra contact (like Duke did instead) and are not susceptible to getting hog tied or pushed under the hoop.
 
Dogdeacon said:
Partially right on the box out, but also your head has to be on a swivel and the FIRST thing you do is look at your man and make contact, typically put your forearm in his chest. UCF was ball watching, the guy who got hooked at least set himself better, the guy who lost the rebound:
1. Didn't initiate contact with the man he was supposed to box out
2. Ball watched
3. Set up too low and too upright
Boxing out isn't a wide stance under the rim - it is physically moving your man away from the rim FIRST and then going to get the ball. If both UCF guys initiate the contact in the split second while the shot is released then they are about to be the aggressors, can get away with some extra contact (like Duke did instead) and are not susceptible to getting hog tied or pushed under the hoop.
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True. All true. But he did get shoved in the back. There is no question and the ref missed a very basic call.
 
Hat's off to UCF.......small consolation but they played what will become an iconic NCAA game. The should have won but the ball does funny things sometimes as we all know. Not going Duke conspiracy they were just luckier than UCF.
 
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BlueDogs said:
True. All true. But he did get shoved in the back. There is no question and the ref missed a very basic call.
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Problem is if you box a guy out if he's allowed to lean on you in any way it doesn't matter if you boxed out perfectly, he can move you. Pretty simple to see it here, the UCF kid wasn't trying to jump under the basket to get the rebound, he was shoved. And #15 for Duke put his arm over the other UCF guy which may have been worst, again Greenberg pointed that out on ESPN this morning. He's usually a K guy so him pointing out those 2 fouls is all you need to know.
 
Dogdeacon said:
Partially right on the box out, but also your head has to be on a swivel and the FIRST thing you do is look at your man and make contact, typically put your forearm in his chest. UCF was ball watching, the guy who got hooked at least set himself better, the guy who lost the rebound:
1. Didn't initiate contact with the man he was supposed to box out
2. Ball watched
3. Set up too low and too upright
Boxing out isn't a wide stance under the rim - it is physically moving your man away from the rim FIRST and then going to get the ball. If both UCF guys initiate the contact in the split second while the shot is released then they are about to be the aggressors, can get away with some extra contact (like Duke did instead) and are not susceptible to getting hog tied or pushed under the hoop.
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I hate to beat a dead horse on this but my final thoughts:

1. Dawkins did get low and positioned in front of RJ. You can see his knees bent. What he didn't do, as I'll agree, is back into RJ enough. Neither did he spread his arms and angle RJ away from the center either. He got excited and thought ball first.
2. Watch Dawkin's back arched and reaching back over his head for the ball as he leaps. That is signs of a ample enough force behind him in his lower back. Dawkins left his feet and in the air was easier to propel forward. In that condition a small push is more detrimental. Without the push he gets a hand on the ball. Dawkins was 2' forward and under the hoop when RJ touched the ball. Completely unable to recoop and defend.
3. You're allowed to nudge from behind without extending the arms. RJ's forearms were extended more than anything closely allowed. RJ is not a dominant forceful pf that will win that ball all the time.
4. There's a reason why the defensive team almost always pulls down a free throw rebound that isn't a brick. RJ did not go around him nor out maneuver him.
5. Then there's the hook that I think without the guy definitely gets his left arm extended up and tips the ball. Hooks happen, but full clamps the extent of the action should not be close to tolerated. A tip from either one is all that was needed. Neither were even close.

Was it text book boxing out? No. Is it odd that the two offensive players were closest to the ball? Yes. Was that a coincidence? No. Duke does sneaky little stuff like that that they know won't get called in a big situation.

But its water under the bridge now. Duke moves on and I can't do anything but laugh when a reporter asks RJ if that is the best play he's made in his life. Boy did RJ bail out Zion with that push.

Dawkins had the game of his life but at the same time had two plays that he didn't do everything right and cost the game. I feel bad for him and hope the NBA calls make up for it.
 
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mauconnfan said:
Problem is if you box a guy out if he's allowed to lean on you in any way it doesn't matter if you boxed out perfectly, he can move you. Pretty simple to see it here, the UCF kid wasn't trying to jump under the basket to get the rebound, he was shoved. And #15 for Duke put his arm over the other UCF guy which may have been worst, again Greenberg pointed that out on ESPN this morning. He's usually a K guy so him pointing out those 2 fouls is all you need to know.
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First of all you can never blame the refs (but you can always bitch about them, W or L).
And I just think UCF has greater culpability because they boxed out the space (and one of them too close to hoop) rather than boxing out their man. You ALWAYS have that moment the shot is in the air to make aggressive contact, its the one moment in a basketball game where you are allowed contact and can often get away with overly aggressive contact.
And every small school & underdog knows (remember how long it took our Huskies to break thru the Big East juggernauts) you essentially need to 'win the game' multiple times to beat to the favorite.
 
Dogdeacon said:
First of all you can never blame the refs (but you can always bitch about them, W or L).
And I just think UCF has greater culpability because they boxed out the space (and one of them too close to hoop) rather than boxing out their man. You ALWAYS have that moment the shot is in the air to make aggressive contact, its the one moment in a basketball game where you are allowed contact and can often get away with overly aggressive contact.
And every small school & underdog knows (remember how long it took our Huskies to break thru the Big East juggernauts) you essentially need to 'win the game' multiple times to beat to the favorite.
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You can never blame the refs...
Watch "phantom foul" on YouTube
 
superjohn said:
You can never blame the refs...
Watch "phantom foul" on YouTube
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Saw that when it happened, was a big deal even at the time - but in a basketball game everyone makes mistakes, players, refs, coaches - got to play well enough to overcome all of it.
 
Dogdeacon said:
First of all you can never blame the refs (but you can always bitch about them, W or L).
And I just think UCF has greater culpability because they boxed out the space (and one of them too close to hoop) rather than boxing out their man. You ALWAYS have that moment the shot is in the air to make aggressive contact, its the one moment in a basketball game where you are allowed contact and can often get away with overly aggressive contact.
And every small school & underdog knows (remember how long it took our Huskies to break thru the Big East juggernauts) you essentially need to 'win the game' multiple times to beat to the favorite.
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We will agree to disagree. I've boxed out people who were stronger and taller over my career and won some and lost some depending on what was allowed, I get that part. But after you get that chance to aggressively box out you still need to jump to go get the ball if no one else is getting it so if you jump 3 feet forward to under the hoop that's not on the fact you weren't boxing out correctly or aggressively it's on the fact the guy behind you times the 2 hand push who you were most vulnerable. It was a foul and I'm not blaming anyone I'm just pointing out a fact, they missed it.
 
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