OT: Giants

[Rocktheworld]

The team was trying to win early in the season, and that's the problem. Eli stuff aside, an entire front office of people looked at a team with Ereck Flowers starting at tackle and thought they could compete for the playoffs/Super Bowl

Why are the Giants trying to lose the bid for #1 overall in the draft?

It’s been said that there are 10-12 or so programs who are actually serious about competing for championships and winning; the rest are little more than businesses who, if it all comes together one year great, but if not at the end of the day it’s all about equity.

The Giants, for better or worse in the short term, are absolutely the former. Don’t strike me as a franchise that would consider tanking.

 

[Robertelamin]

It’s been said that there are 10-12 or so programs who are actually serious about competing for championships and winning; the rest are little more than businesses who, if it all comes together one year great, but if not at the end of the day it’s all about equity.

The Giants, for better or worse in the short term, are absolutely the former. Don’t strike me as a franchise that would consider tanking.

No guaranteed contracts so the players have to give it their all for their best interests.

 

[minidarren]

Yeah, your right, teams start off trying to lose because that's a plan in every coach and players playbook
You should stop with this

The decision to go into the season with "whatever" Flowers is a sign that the team was not looking to win this year.

 

[jojipoji]

That’s absurd. At that point of time Flowers was their best shot at right tackle. There wasn’t a right tackle they could sign and fit under the cap that was a clear upgrade. In reality pro football focus had him playing better than wheeler especially with the run. I saw somewhere wheeler was the lowest rated tackle in all of football.

 

[superjohn]

That’s absurd. At that point of time Flowers was their best shot at right tackle. There wasn’t a right tackle they could sign and fit under the cap that was a clear upgrade. In reality pro football focus had him playing better than wheeler especially with the run. I saw somewhere wheeler was the lowest rated tackle in all of football.

A guy off the street was a clear upgrade to Flowers, he was the worst tackle in football.

 

[KembaStepback]

A guy off the street was a clear upgrade to Flowers, he was the worst tackle in football.

Flowers attitude was awful...but Wheeler is literally graded as 2nd worst Tackle in the NFL. Flowers is a better player. Omameh was also a train wreck. Jamon Brown has made a huge difference.

To the earlier point...were they giving 100% effort every play? No. Does that mean their goal wasnt to win? No. Shurmur wants to keep his job. Hes not trying to lose believe me.

 

[minidarren]

Draft Jake Fromm. Kids a stud.

 

[JMick]

Draft Jake Fromm. Kids a stud.

he's not eligible. 2020

 

[navery12]

he's not eligible. 2020

Another reason I think Herbert ultimately leaves this year. He's at least QB3 behind Tua and Fromm if he goes back

 

[FDNY99]

he's not eligible. 2020

They still may be in the running for the number 1 pick then..LOL..Gettleman got some POS roster from Reese.

 

[nomar]

I think this coaching staff and GM are awful. Run a whole training camp, somehow you evaluate Flowers to be a starter, 5 weeks later you are releasing him outright. Sign a washed up Jonathan Stewart for $6 million, trade a solid center in Brett Jones, decide Eli Apple is a starter then needs to go a few games later, let a solid backup like Andrew Adams go in favor of defensive backs who can't tackle, make Landon Collins less impactful by covering tight ends rather than using his instincts as free safety, letting Snacks Harrison go, throwing to Barkley on little flat footed routs behind the line of scrimmage rather than with momentum towards the line of scrimmage, the linebackers are all slow to react, don't resign Rogers-Cromartie, … (I did think Solder and Hernandez would help the offensive line). The fact that they turned over the whole line and are getting measurably worse pass protection is truly a reflection of bad coaching. How they have collected so many no-name lousy players in just 10 weeks must be some type of record on how to take a team with potential and blow it up.

Yeah but besides all that

As to the last sentence, see Raiders, Oakland

 

[minidarren]

he's not eligible. 2020

I'm not saying this year. I'm saying whenever the kid goes into the draft.

 

[mauconnfan]

Any of the unhappy we got Barkley fans thinking otherwise as this year continues? I dont ask so as to eliminate the QB situation but he’s really good and they would’ve lost just the same with Darnold maybe they still find a QB. But tough to think they didn’t do well getting this kid he’s so special.

 

[Huskyforlife]

Any of the unhappy we got Barkley fans thinking otherwise as this year continues? I dont ask so as to eliminate the QB situation but he’s really good and they would’ve lost just the same with Darnold maybe they still find a QB. But tough to think they didn’t do well getting this kid he’s so special.

We better get Herbert

 

[navery12]

Any of the unhappy we got Barkley fans thinking otherwise as this year continues? I dont ask so as to eliminate the QB situation but he’s really good and they would’ve lost just the same with Darnold maybe they still find a QB. But tough to think they didn’t do well getting this kid he’s so special.

I'm going to enjoy Barkley every second he's on the team. But no, I still hate the pick.

Side note, time to see what Lauletta has

 

[CardiacAndre7]

I'm going to enjoy Barkley every second he's on the team. But no, I still hate the pick.

Side note, time to see what Lauletta has

The quarterbacks have turned out to be pretty bad thus far. I’m willing to take the chance on Teddy/Justin Herbert/other if it meant taking a once in a generation prospect.

 

[navery12]

The quarterbacks have turned out to be pretty bad thus far. I’m willing to take the chance on Teddy/Justin Herbert/other if it meant taking a once in a generation prospect.

If we get Herbert that's a different story, but they're making sure that doesn't happen with all these wins. But no, these rookie QBs are not all bad, the fact you're willing to make that call before their rookie season is even over is crazy.

 

[jojipoji]

None of the teams drafting before nyg need a qb except maybe Oakland. Gmen will get their franchise qb next draft. In hindsight the Barkley draft was great

 

[navery12]

None of the teams drafting before nyg need a qb except maybe Oakland. Gmen will get their franchise qb next draft. In hindsight the Barkley draft was great

Oakland and Jacksonville are both ahead of the Giants and need a QB. And it's really only Herbert, unless you believe in Dwayne Haskins who I'd want no part of in the top 10

 

[intlzncster]

The quarterbacks have turned out to be pretty bad thus far. I’m willing to take the chance on Teddy/Justin Herbert/other if it meant taking a once in a generation prospect.

He'll be tough to resign. At any kind of reasonable money.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

If we get Herbert that's a different story, but they're making sure that doesn't happen with all these wins. But no, these rookie QBs are not all bad, the fact you're willing to make that call before their rookie season is even over is crazy.

Notice I said thus far. The fact that Saquon is running rampid behind this makeshift O-Line speaks to his talent, imagine behind a top-10 line.

 

[navery12]

Notice I said thus far. The fact that Saquon is running rampid behind this makeshift O-Line speaks to his talent, imagine behind a top-10 line.

No knock on Saquon, he's great. I just would have preferred any of the QBs and Chubb/Kerryon/Freeman round 2. Especially given the state of QBs in this upcoming class. If last year's QBs are bad, this year's QBs are 5 steps below

 

[mauconnfan]

No knock on Saquon, he's great. I just would have preferred any of the QBs and Chubb/Kerryon/Freeman round 2. Especially given the state of QBs in this upcoming class. If last year's QBs are bad, this year's QBs are 5 steps below

Imagine being 5-8 or potentially much worst with a rookie QB who had no time to throw and no RB earlier on to help him? Imagine if Barkley was on a 6-6 team and running for even more and catching for more with another team wondering why we didn't take him? That's what potentially would be happening right now and I'm very happy we took this kid and none of the QBs not worth it. They did good from what I see but I get your thinking it's solid.

 

[Huskyforlife]

We won't know which QBs are good until after next season.

 

[navery12]

Imagine being 5-8 or potentially much worst with a rookie QB who had no time to throw and no RB earlier on to help him? Imagine if Barkley was on a 6-6 team and running for even more and catching for more with another team wondering why we didn't take him? That's what potentially would be happening right now and I'm very happy we took this kid and none of the QBs not worth it. They did good from what I see but I get your thinking it's solid.

I would feel significantly better about the Giants future right now if this season had played out exactly the same and we were 5-8 with Sam Darnold.

I get the Giants logic in trying to emulate the Rams with taking Gurley before Goff, and it's been very successful for them. I'm just not convinced Gettleman is going to be able to get that next franchise QB. Hope I'm dead wrong on that though

 

[jojipoji]

The point is, the giants weren’t convinced of any of the qbs being that good. They all had their question marks and still do. If Sam darnold never wins a super bowl, or even makes an afc championship game would that make him still a better pick Barkley?

 

[Yardigan]

Notice I said thus far. The fact that Saquon is running rampid behind this makeshift O-Line speaks to his talent, imagine behind a top-10 line.

Doesn't PETA have a thing against running rampids?

 

[gtcam]

All indications, barring injury, Barkley is a very rare running back - like EE on the Cowboys
As with any unique player, these guys don't grow on trees
QBs can be had via draft or trade - I would much rather go the trade route and get someone with some experience.
The only QB in college that excites me is the Ohio State kid - he was my pick for Heisman. The kid is a brute and to me more valuable than Tua who is looking to be injury prone. Murray might just take the millions that the major league baseball is sure to give him
I would have been pissed if the GMenn took Darnold over Barkley

 

[AdamaNation]

All indications, barring injury, Barkley is a very rare running back - like EE on the Cowboys
As with any unique player, these guys don't grow on trees
QBs can be had via draft or trade - I would much rather go the trade route and get someone with some experience.
The only QB in college that excites me is the Ohio State kid - he was my pick for Heisman. The kid is a brute and to me more valuable than Tua who is looking to be injury prone. Murray might just take the millions that the major league baseball is sure to give him
I would have been pissed if the GMenn took Darnold over Barkley

Trees is correct. If we actually completed the Eli Apple trade correctly we would have had our next franchise qb with bridgewater.

 

[NJHusky]

Trees is correct. If we actually completed the Eli Apple trade correctly we would have had our next franchise qb with bridgewater.

Bridgeater is a FA after the season. If u trade for him he could walk anyway since u won’t franchise him. If u want him then sign him this offseason