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intlzncster said:
Yes, I know. Let me see if I can find what I was talking about.

EDIT: ok, not from back then, but here's a sentiment:

Odell Beckham traded from Giants to Browns: Winners and losers | Will Eli Manning’s struggles get worse? Jabrill Peppers fresh start?

WINNER: GM Dave Gettleman​
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The Giants smartly negotiated Beckham’s five-year, $90 million contract extension so the dead cap hit on a trade is “only” $16 million, compared to $35.5 million if released. It tells you they were wary of the commitment then and there, even though Gettleman’s refrain had been, “We didn’t sign him to trade him.”​
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If they were so wary of commitment, they sure showed it in a very odd way.
 
This whole thing is ridiculous. Just get rid of Eli. Seriously, what are they doing keeping him around? So he won two Super Bowls for is over 10 years ago. Really awesome and will always be remembered for it but he's literally killing us. We had OBJ and Barkley last year and couldn't do crap. It's a joke. If there was no plan, draft a QB. I loved the Barkley pick but not so much now that they traded OBJ. I know hindsight is 20/20 but come on. You're telling me there's no other QB that could at least bridge the gap between now and when the rookie QB who they'll take is ready?
 
For a lot of guys, football is a way to cope with pre-existing social problems. I mean, it's literally a sport that normalizes violence and all sorts of other things that would be considered anti-social in most environments. The nature of the sport plus the comradery allows them to feel socially adjusted.

Odell's a little different. His social problems - quirks, if you want to call them that - directly threaten the culture of any football locker-room. Too early for me to say whether it will work in Cleveland but he's probably not the guy you want around a rebuilding team.
 
champs99and04 said:
For a lot of guys, football is a way to cope with pre-existing social problems. I mean, it's literally a sport that normalizes violence and all sorts of other things that would be considered anti-social in most environments. The nature of the sport plus the comradery allows them to feel socially adjusted.

Odell's a little different. His social problems - quirks, if you want to call them that - directly threaten the culture of any football locker-room. Too early for me to say whether it will work in Cleveland but he's probably not the guy you want around a rebuilding team.
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if you want to say Odell made an entire beard out of cocaine just say it.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
Looks like Manning's job secure at least for this weekend speculated because Lauletta is going to be spending the next few days explaining why he ignord a police officer's directions and then almost ran the guy over. I suspect I knwo which intersection this was and I know that there are cops directing traffic there during morning and evening rush nearly every week day.

Giants quarterback Kyle Lauletta charged with nearly hitting cop in traffic incident
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Hasn't he had multiple serious driving incidences?
 
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If it wasn't clear before what an idiotic mistake taking a RB at 2 was before, its crystal clear now.

I can't believe they won't cut Eli. I couldn't believe it before, I REALLY can't believe it now. What's the point keeping him.
 
What if they take a QB in the 1st round this year and that QB ends up as good or better than Darnold? And now they've gotten this new QB AND Barkley?
Barkley is already a stud. He's a RB and a WR rolled in one. It's not like the guy they took at 2 ended up being average or worse. That would have been a kick in the nuts.
 
21 and 13 gone. 10 must be next. no way Gettlemen is done. he can't be this bad at his job.
 
All the news outlets savaging the Giants on this. I'm not so sure. Peppers is a good player. They get a first and a third in a deep draft. They may have other moves lined up where that will help, like trading for Rosen. Let's see what the Giants do from here. They now have money to spend, not just this year with the dead cap hit, but for the next several.

I think there is skepticism because the Giants have been so inept. But this strikes me as a move for a team that realizes it needs a bigger rebuild. OBJ hasn't helped them win games. Receiver is currently what I'd call the most overvalued position in the NFL. Spreading the ball to several good receivers is better than over-targeting one great one. Pats and Rams both used that approach and so did Philly last year.

I do think it was good for the Browns. Mayfield is a stud. Their defense is already very good and adding OBJ turns them into a serious playoff team immediately.
 
intlzncster said:
Holy @#$%balls. That's insane.

@KembaStepback that's more than I reckoned it would be. Peppers really came on last year when he switched to playing in the box. Guess this was their Collins replacement.

The Browns are swinging for the fences. I'm not really sure what to think.
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It's hard to see OBJ go. Like Whaler said, I have no idea what the plan is. Peppers is solid. To me, I'd do one of 2 things.

1)Trade for Rosen and cut Eli.
2) Roll with Eli and draft 2 defensive players in Round 1 and OL in Round 2. Then draft a guy like Tua, Fromm or Herbert next yr.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
I think there is skepticism because the Giants have been so inept. But this strikes me as a move for a team that realizes it needs a bigger rebuild. OBJ hasn't helped them win games. Receiver is currently what I'd call the most overvalued position in the NFL. Spreading the ball to several good receivers is better than over-targeting one great one. Pats and Rams both used that approach and so did Philly last year.

I do think it was good for the Browns. Mayfield is a stud. Their defense is already very good and adding OBJ turns them into a serious playoff team immediately.
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There is skepticism because until 2 days ago, they were not acting like a team wanting to tear things down and rebuild. Now, suddenly they are, without any plan as to what to do with the QB position as part of that supposed rebuild.
 
Excalibur said:
There is skepticism because until 2 days ago, they were not acting like a team wanting to tear things down and rebuild. Now, suddenly they are, without any plan as to what to do with the QB position as part of that supposed rebuild.
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Maybe Trevor is the plan.
 
Excalibur said:
There is skepticism because until 2 days ago, they were not acting like a team wanting to tear things down and rebuild. Now, suddenly they are, without any plan as to what to do with the QB position as part of that supposed rebuild.
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They needed a rebuild. If QB isn't addressed in the draft or via trade for Rosen they are inept. Mocks I see show them taking Haskins. That would be a solid move. With the picks they have and what they did last year they should be a solid team again pretty quickly.
 
KembaStepback said:
It's hard to see OBJ go. Like Whaler said, I have no idea what the plan is. Peppers is solid. To me, I'd do one of 2 things.

1)Trade for Rosen and cut Eli.
2) Roll with Eli and draft 2 defensive players in Round 1 and OL in Round 2. Then draft a guy like Tua, Fromm or Herbert next yr.
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Absolutly have to get a qb this year I mean a real star potential one not a project qb, whether thats Rosen or Haskins, wouldnt necessarily stop you from getting a qb next year either. If you were to have 2 young qbs in back to back years you could trade one of them for more assets, gotta stop drafting project qbs like Nassib, Laulette or Webb lol.
 
Scoe said:
Absolutly have to get a qb this year I mean a real star potential one not a project qb, whether thats Rosen or Haskins, wouldnt necessarily stop you from getting a qb next year either. If you were to have 2 young qbs in back to back years you could trade one of them for more assets, gotta stop drafting project qbs like Nassib, Laulette or Webb lol.
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Who is to say Rosen or Haskins are star potential guys? Maybe the scouts don't like them. If the Giants think Tua/Fromm/Herbert/Eason are better than Rosen/Haskins it might make sense to wait.
 
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KembaStepback said:
Who is to say Rosen or Haskins are star potential guys? Maybe the scouts don't like them. If the Giants think Tua/Fromm/Herbert/Eason are better than Rosen/Haskins it might make sense to wait.
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Thats if they dont believe they are franchise qbs just saying if they believe their franchise qbs then you gotta take them. Go with the Accorsi method if your not 100 percent sure hes the next qb then you dont draft him, you dont just draft a qb for the sake of taking a qb. Would be great to trade the 3rd rounder for Rosen if you do that you are basically doing what alot of people thought you should have done last year (drafting a qb instead of Barkley) and you could go crazy with defense and oline in the draft.
 
Scoe said:
Thats if they dont believe they are franchise qbs just saying if they believe their franchise qbs then you gotta take them. Go with the Accorsi method if your not 100 percent sure hes the next qb then you dont draft him, you dont just draft a qb for the sake of taking a qb. Would be great to trade the 3rd rounder for Rosen if you do that you are basically doing what alot of people thought you should have done last year (drafting a qb instead of Barkley) and you could go crazy with defense and oline in the draft.
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Agree 1000%
 
I just read a good point. Gettleman came in to repair the team, not rebuild the team. Is he the guy you want for a rebuild?
 
There are disastrous press calls and then there's whatever the hell this idiot just conducted. A few choice cuts.

 
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He's not rebuilding, he's playing for now. Maybe Eli does have a late-career renaissance in him without the yoke of OBJ.
 
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Gettleman is insane and needs to go post haste. It’s surreal watching this clown show
 
whaler11 said:
Gettleman is insane and needs to go post haste. It’s surreal watching this clown show
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All the teams around here are clown shows except Geno’s program and those damn Patriots.
 
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