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Yes, let's put our rookie QB into a situation where he's almost certain to fail behind a horrid offensive line without a run game and no NFL caliber starting receivers aside from Engram.

Is Webb sees the field this season in any capacity aside from mop up duty, the Giants brass is dumber than I had originally thought.
 
Yes, let's put our rookie QB into a situation where he's almost certain to fail behind a horrid offensive line without a run game and no NFL caliber starting receivers aside from Engram.

Is Webb sees the field this season in any capacity aside from mop up duty, the Giants brass is dumber than I had originally thought.

Thanks CHB, not sure what people think. Add to that if the kid was going to be Eli's replacement Gino wouldn't be #2. This isn't the future, not sure where his replacement is but remember what happened post-Phil Simms? I mean all these Eli haters will be wishing he was their QB when David Brown, Danny Kannell and Kent Graham types are looking to be the next Eli.

Here's an idea, put together a solid OLine and let everyone get healthy and let Eli QB for 2-3 more years we'll be fine. Maybe that "next guy" is in this draft who knows but be careful what you wish for people.
 
Thanks CHB, not sure what people think. Add to that if the kid was going to be Eli's replacement Gino wouldn't be #2. This isn't the future, not sure where his replacement is but remember what happened post-Phil Simms? I mean all these Eli haters will be wishing he was their QB when David Brown, Danny Kannell and Kent Graham types are looking to be the next Eli.

Here's an idea, put together a solid OLine and let everyone get healthy and let Eli QB for 2-3 more years we'll be fine. Maybe that "next guy" is in this draft who knows but be careful what you wish for people.

That's my take as well. Regroup in the offseason, get healthy and fortify the line. Give it another go or two.

The Giants have sunk too much money into free agency for anyone to think think they will or should tank purposefully.
 
Eli isn't done yet, O-line obviously needs help , running game also which goes with the O-line improvement. Defence is solid. Head coach, GM ?????
 
Eli isn't done yet, O-line obviously needs help , running game also which goes with the O-line improvement. Defence is solid. Head coach, GM ?????

Head coach for sure. The OC may be calling the plays now but it's still coming from his philosophy and it sucks. So painful to watch from game 1 this year, and the reality is even at 11-5 the play calling was dreadful last year as the defense carried his butt. Needs to go and Reese, well look at the o-line and say no more. Think about the Sheppard and OBJ injuries, short quick patterns because they couldn't throw the ball down field so multiple tacklers in one area as the offense was so easy to figure.

Changes need to be made or it will be the same old.
 
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What do you guys think of Lamar Jackson?

I'm very much in the No Thanks camp on this one. Accuracy is not at all good - solid college kid but really inconsistent. Pocket passer please with a little mobility I'm fine. I'd be watching USC.
 
I'm very much in the No Thanks camp on this one. Accuracy is not at all good - solid college kid but really inconsistent. Pocket passer please with a little mobility I'm fine. I'd be watching USC.
I thought last year was a one off thing, but he has put up very good numbers behind a bad offensive line and on a bad team overall. Not saying he's my pick, just interesting.
 
When you average 3.4 yards per attempt while playing with ten other NFL players, that's not good. No matter how bad the offensive line or receivers look from inside the New York Giants bubble, Eli's stat line today looks like something a replacement level quarterback would muster in a similar circumstance. His performance can't be thrown out when he doesn't play well and then credited when he does. Otherwise, the same standard should be applied to his super bowls when he did have those other things. This isn't even an Eli thing so much as it is a fallacy perpetuated by QB bias in the media. Where there is a quarterback struggling, you can count on somebody blaming the offensive line or receivers. It's quite literally clockwork - the camera zooms in on the quarterback and you miss everything else going on, so it is presumed when he gets sacked or has nowhere to throw that he's the victim.

In saying all this, the situation in New York is really dire and I don't think even the biggest Eli critic - which isn't me - can reasonably expect him to turn things around. He's graded fairly highly on PFF and had strung together some good games in a row heading into this one. It's probably for the better that they lose and develop other options at receiver since this is a lost season.
Your fixation on Eli is really disturbing, especially since you are not even a Giants fan. Move on man, get over it. He has 2 more SBs than your organization ever will.
 
What do you guys think of Lamar Jackson?
I'd be fine taking him in the 2nd round, but he's definitely below the top tier of Rosen/Darnold/Allen. He's right there with Mason Rudolph as a guy I'd take a chance on if they fall to far down to get a top QB this year
 
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I'd be fine taking him in the 2nd round, but he's definitely below the top tier of Rosen/Darnold/Allen. He's right there with Mason Rudolph as a guy I'd take a chance on if they fall to far down to get a top QB this year

No OL in the 2nd round or LBer much more important than Jackson, wouldn't take him with any pick.
 
Well they do lead the league in offensive interference flags right so the refs are getting something right finally. I believe Gronk and Graham were brought up didn't single out the human push off now did I yell? LOL
I'm a Gmen fan BUT the Gronk thing goes both ways. The guy is so big and so strong that many times he gets beaten up and there is no call. As far as the Offensive Interference goes , even Engram pushes off - a lot - and surprisingly doesn't get the call against him and he is a rookie
All I can say about Gronk - I wish he wore a Giants uniform
 
No OL in the 2nd round or LBer much more important than Jackson, wouldn't take him with any pick.
Well you've filled one of those holes in the 1st round. And at some point you have to take your QB of the future.

But I also realize I'm higher on Jackson than most. I see the same things happening to him as with Teddy Bridgewater, people talking themselves out of him when in reality he's a good player
 
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At this point there's no reason to keep McAdoo past tomorrow. Let Spags finish the season and hire a new coach next year
 
At this point there's no reason to keep McAdoo past tomorrow. Let Spags finish the season and hire a new coach next year
yep
Collins is going from all-pro to mushroom cap. Thats coaching and desperation.
 
"Long-suffering" Giants fans are funny.

Must be fun for Pats fans who are "football just started in 2000 fans" huh? F off...you want funny the fact you think you guys are "fans" is funny. Couldn't even find a tee shirt or hat for 30 years until then LOL
 
He has lost a team like no other 11-5 previous year coach, time move on NOW. He's proven last year was more the reality than this year he's gross. Next..
 
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Must be fun for Pats fans who are "football just started in 2000 fans" huh? F off...you want funny the fact you think you guys are "fans" is funny. Couldn't even find a tee shirt or hat for 30 years until then LOL

Every time my uncle says "we" in reference to the Pats, I remind him that in the 80s and 90s, "we" meant the Niners. "I just liked Joe Montana a lot." Right!

I mean, there certainly always have been die-hard Pats fans, but football was never that important in Boston until Brady and Belichick arrived.

Jets fans are real football fans. They follow a terrible, terrible franchise but they're passionate about their consistently awful team. They're masochists, but you gotta tip your cap.
 
Reese and McAdoo need to be gone come the end of the season.

We'll have a high pick and if a QB is available that the new front office deems worthy of that selection, you take them.

Try to revamp the line as much as we can and give it a final shot with Eli in 2018.

Come 2019 the new QB and Davis Webb will have to win the job with Eli gone.

I must say I was willfully blind and bought into the McAdoo and Giant hype coming into this season.

I hate tanking as I think it's toxic to the culture of the organization but if we finish 1-15 so be it.

P.S. lord help them if they take a running back with a top 5 pick. QB or OL.
 
Every time my uncle says "we" in reference to the Pats, I remind him that in the 80s and 90s, "we" meant the Niners. "I just liked Joe Montana a lot." Right!

I mean, there certainly always have been die-hard Pats fans, but football was never that important in Boston until Brady and Belichick arrived.

Jets fans are real football fans. They follow a terrible, terrible franchise but they're passionate about their consistently awful team. They're masochists, but you gotta tip your cap.
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There are fans like that for every successful team. But the Patriots has plenty of fans in the Grogan, Eason, and Bledsoe eras. And quite a bit of success too. Every coach back to Chuck Fairbanks (1973) was over .500 except Rod Rust (1 season) and Dick McPherson (2 seasons). I became a fan around 1976.

QB stability has been impressive. Except around 1988-92, they have only had 5 QBs (ignoring injury starts). Plunkett, Grogan, Eason, Bledsoe, Brady
 
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