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Nobody had a problem with BM last year, why not give him another season? Or at least the rest of this season to figure some things out?
The problem was his conduct leading up to the game and the crappy play calling and game management. Reese is the one who deserves to be canned for ignoring the OL issues.
 
The "experts"seem to think that rearranging the offensive line was responsible for this.
 
The "experts"seem to think that rearranging the offensive line was responsible for this.

Well is it is then that coach was 5 games too late so he should be fired anyway. They certainly ran it better no doubt, but once again as the Giants do so well they left the game open for the Bronco's to comeback and why? Because they ran the ball so well they never opened up the offense, which is what running the ball so well should lead to. Happy for the win but still crappy offensive focus.
 
Well is it is then that coach was 5 games too late so he should be fired anyway. They certainly ran it better no doubt, but once again as the Giants do so well they left the game open for the Bronco's to comeback and why? Because they ran the ball so well they never opened up the offense, which is what running the ball so well should lead to. Happy for the win but still crappy offensive focus.

Once the giants got the pick 6, there was no reason to open things up. They had a limited receiving corp against a very good secondary on the road. They had some success running, and it was apparent early on that the Broncos were not going to to mount a dangerous pass attack at all with Siemian.
 
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You know you're getting boned on a call when the ref announces the ruling on the field stands in the same tone Ted Allen uses to tell chefs they've been chopped.

At zero point, ever, does the guy have possession of the ball in the end zone. Never. Not even after he goes out of bounds multiple times while fighting to get it out of Collins hands.

That was a mind-numbingly stupid call. And after yesterday's disaster, I mean come on. I hope football dies a fiery death as a sport.
 
Eli, try to manage a game so your defense isn't playing 2/3rds of the game. He is just a mediocre player at this point.
 
Tell me how he played. 38 passes for 134 yards.

You tell me you were watching I assume? The playcalling is gross #1 that’s obvious, they rarely throw on first down and they hardly ever throw downfield because they can’t block and they have no receivers, the ones they have are never on the same page. I mean call it against all odds but how can we ask the guy to manage that game?
 
You tell me you were watching I assume? The playcalling is gross #1 that’s obvious, they rarely throw on first down and they hardly ever throw downfield because they can’t block and they have no receivers, the ones they have are never on the same page. I mean call it against all odds but how can we ask the guy to manage that game?
This game, even moreso than the rest, he missed open recievers. They aren't always incredible misses, but he always makes an easy pass harder, rarely right in the bread basket. He also doesn't do his line any good by sitting in the pocket and waiting for pressure to come, rather than step up or move around a bit. I think this was debatably his worst game this year.
 
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Been telling all y'all Eli sucks. He won 2 Super Bowls because Archie's been super busy conjuring up the spirits.
 
2 time Super Bowl winner and MVP doesn't spell suck,y'all
80% of the teams will take the results that this sucks QB has produced
He may be on the wrong side of his career but THANK YOU Eli for 2 Super Bowls
 
It's almost like playing against a good defense with a receiving core of Roger Lewis Jr, Tavarres King, Travis Rudolph, and Ed Eagan will lead to bad results. Eli is without a doubt on the back end of his career but I'm surprised he even did as much as he did today. Only so many times you can throw it to Engram
 
It's almost like playing against a good defense with a receiving core of Roger Lewis Jr, Tavarres King, Travis Rudolph, and Ed Eagan will lead to bad results. Eli is without a doubt on the back end of his career but I'm surprised he even did as much as he did today. Only so many times you can throw it to Engram
That has been my point about Eli for the last few years. For a guy to have one offensive option due to the well known o line, run game, and dropped balls, he is almost killing it. Think about it. If you are the oppositing defense you can always rush three and pressure and double the best offensive option. For Eli to have the numbers he has with one play everyone knows is actually pretty impressive. No he is not Rodgers Peyton or Tom. But he is at least Brett Favre without post season drama and let downs, crocs, 2 Super Bowls, no pain killer mvps.
 
This was another great day for the future of the New York Football Giants organization. Keep losing. One more loss closer to Reese losing his job, a new GM coming in and great draft picks to restore the talent on the team while Beckham and others get healthy for next year.

KEEP LOSING. DONT STOP LOSING. 1-15!!!!!!!!!!
 
This was another great day for the future of the New York Football Giants organization. Keep losing. One more loss closer to Reese losing his job, a new GM coming in and great draft picks to restore the talent on the team while Beckham and others get healthy for next year.

KEEP LOSING. DONT STOP LOSING. 1-15!!!!!!!!!!
This I agree with as well. If we can't win it please don't go anything better than 4-12. I will take another upset (even though Denver ain't looking so good) and a Dallas win. I'm good with that. Reese more than any draft position gots ta go!!!! A topn3 pick or a trade down 5-10 can load us up. I'm good with engrams getting play cause t would trade him for picks in e second. You get value for talent and youth, and rookie contracts.
 
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Well I'm glad I'm not a Falcons fan they have to be the softest and dumbest team I have ever seen, I do believe in Super Bowl defeats having a negative effect the following season.
 
Syracuse right now has better receivers than the Giants, so I don’t want to hear about Eli.

The offensive line is horrific, the running backs are merely bad and the receivers are CFL players.

Tom Brady couldn’t right that ship.
 
When you average 3.4 yards per attempt while playing with ten other NFL players, that's not good. No matter how bad the offensive line or receivers look from inside the New York Giants bubble, Eli's stat line today looks like something a replacement level quarterback would muster in a similar circumstance. His performance can't be thrown out when he doesn't play well and then credited when he does. Otherwise, the same standard should be applied to his super bowls when he did have those other things. This isn't even an Eli thing so much as it is a fallacy perpetuated by QB bias in the media. Where there is a quarterback struggling, you can count on somebody blaming the offensive line or receivers. It's quite literally clockwork - the camera zooms in on the quarterback and you miss everything else going on, so it is presumed when he gets sacked or has nowhere to throw that he's the victim.

In saying all this, the situation in New York is really dire and I don't think even the biggest Eli critic - which isn't me - can reasonably expect him to turn things around. He's graded fairly highly on PFF and had strung together some good games in a row heading into this one. It's probably for the better that they lose and develop other options at receiver since this is a lost season.
 
This isn’t about Eli, everyone knows it although watching Wilson turn every 3rd down into a sure thing highlights Eli’s shortcomings. Can’t convert 3rd and a half yard as usual. Seattle had how many opportunities to score in the red zone in the first half. How long can you leave the Giants D on the field? Totally tanked by the 4th quarter. Eli throwing to practice squad players but I’m psyched about Engram.
 
At zero point, ever, does the guy have possession of the ball in the end zone. Never. Not even after he goes out of bounds multiple times while fighting to get it out of Collins hands.

That was a mind-numbingly stupid call. And after yesterday's disaster, I mean come on. I hope football dies a fiery death as a sport.
By rule that was 100% Seattle TD. Shared possession goes to the WR. Once Richardson hit the ground with 2 hands on the ball it was a TD. It was the proper call.
 
Ever heard of tavaris king or travis rudolph? That's Eli's number 2 and 3 WRs, his number 1 is Roger Lewis, you morons think any QB could put up 200 yards on seattle with these guys? The Eli hate is real...
 
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By rule that was 100% Seattle TD. Shared possession goes to the WR. Once Richardson hit the ground with 2 hands on the ball it was a TD. It was the proper call.

As they hit the ground he had about 3 fingers on it while Collins had almost 2 hands on then they rolled around he went OOB's and shouldn't even be able to catch it at that time. It's a horrible call that the same guy who made the Jets call made sure they didn't change, it's really simple. Refs suck now, NFL wide awful. Something needs to be done because they're making a mockery of the game. I could care less about the call, GMen suck but it's the wrong one again, and again, and again that's the issue not just that one.

They finally got Gronk for offensive interference twice yesterday but he has a twin, Jimmy Graham. Once in the end zone Apple made the play despite and the other he just pushed the DBack away made the play. What's that guy looking at right in front of him? By the way I also saw Kennard take a TE down in the middle on a play that was so obvious it was incredible they missed it and Crockett too so this isn't a one way b-session. But they will throw a flag every punt no matter what happens! LOL
 
Ever heard of tavaris king or travis rudolph? That's Eli's number 2 and 3 WRs, his number 1 is Roger Lewis, you morons think any QB could put up 200 yards on seattle with these guys? The Eli hate is real...

People that don't get they can't run and they have, as Fishy said, CFL receivers just prefer to make it easy and blame Eli. Not Brady, not anyone would've scored more than 7. Add to it the unGodly play calling and you have the recipe for 1-6.
 
As they hit the ground he had about 3 fingers on it while Collins had almost 2 hands on then they rolled around he went OOB's and shouldn't even be able to catch it at that time. It's a horrible call that the same guy who made the Jets call made sure they didn't change, it's really simple. Refs suck now, NFL wide awful. Something needs to be done because they're making a mockery of the game. I could care less about the call, GMen suck but it's the wrong one again, and again, and again that's the issue not just that one.

They finally got Gronk for offensive interference twice yesterday but he has a twin, Jimmy Graham. Once in the end zone Apple made the play despite and the other he just pushed the DBack away made the play. What's that guy looking at right in front of him? By the way I also saw Kennard take a TE down in the middle on a play that was so obvious it was incredible they missed it and Crockett too so this isn't a one way b-session. But they will throw a flag every punt no matter what happens! LOL
I agree on the Gronk thing. I think all WR/TE get away with too much of that. Graham def gave a shove on both endzone plays. That Jet call was just a joke! But its the Pats so whats new.
 
Giants have to play Webb some so we know who to draft. Watching Wilson move around vs Eli stuck in sand was not good. Love Eli but.......
 
The patriots seem to find there way into every giant thread. Interesting Lol.

Well they do lead the league in offensive interference flags right so the refs are getting something right finally. I believe Gronk and Graham were brought up didn't single out the human push off now did I yell? LOL
 
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