OT: Boston Marathon Bombing Suspects

[BUHusky]

From the police scanner sounds like they just caught him, so I guess we'll find out soon enough...

I really hope they got him, but it wouldn't be the first time today they thought they captured a suspect who was somebody else. The now famous naked dude was an innocent bystander.

For obvious reasons the networks aren't moving on this "we got him" scanner call before they get confirmation.

 

[Danzz]

Thank you for being such an @zz but one of them happens to be half European descent.

The half Indian/half European man's family is getting hate messages. How come no one cares about the factory explosion in Texas?

Your welcome.I never said anything about religion Butchy and nothing has been confirmed.

 

[BUHusky]

The Associated Press[URL='https://twitter.com/AP']Verified account​

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BREAKING: AP sources: Boston bomb suspects from Russia region near Chechnya, lived in US at least 1 year. -SS

 

[BUHusky]

The Associated PressVerified account‏@AP​

BREAKING: AP: Surviving Boston bomb suspect identified as Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, of Cambridge, Mass. -SS

 

[Adios]

The Associated PressVerified account‏@AP​

BREAKING: AP: Surviving Boston bomb suspect identified as Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, of Cambridge, Mass. -SS

That appears to be the man in the white hat. I can't see where that Sunil figure comes in.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013...t-dead-massive-manhunt-for-white-hat-suspect/

 

[BUHusky]

That appears to be the man in the white hat. I can't see where that Sunil figure comes in.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013...t-dead-massive-manhunt-for-white-hat-suspect/

Ummm...the whole Sunil Tripathi association was premature and incorrect... Reddit started the association rumor and twitter spread it like wildfire. We've seen the both the best and worst twitter has to offer in the last 7 hours.

 

[Adios]

Ummm...the whole Sunil Tripathi association was premature and incorrect... Reddit started the association rumor and twitter spread it like wildfire. We've seen the both the best and worst twitter has to offer in the last 7 hours.

Only because people are so fascinated by murders, the media (and internet sleuths) goes on a wild witch hunt.

Looks like people on cyberspace are excited they are from around Chechnya and are claiming they are "Muzzies". Nice to see typical hatred once again. I personally take no part in all this BS and don't know anyone who does, but if all people had compassion for others, we wouldn't have this world be as messy as it is. Glad this is coming to an end.

WeirdReport @WeirdReport
IT'S OFFICIAL LIBERALS! THE MURDERING BOSTON MARATHON BOMBERS ARE MUSLIMS! TOUGH BREAK MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, and NBC.
37 minutes ago

Those of you who have issues with "Muzzies", learn some tolerance and try to understand. Most of us, by far, are not into war. Go to a mosque and see how many middle-aged and old men are there. Ever notice "Muzzie" terrorists are always young? As said before, Wahhabis also go after Muslims, too. The US is an ally of Saudi Arabia, the very kingdom who pushes this Wahhabi BS. According to Islam, the actions of both are punishable by death. Justice served.

 

[Danzz]

Only because people are so fascinated by murders, the media (and internet sleuths) goes on a wild witch hunt.

Looks like people on cyberspace are excited they are from around Chechnya and are claiming they are "Muzzies". Nice to see typical hatred once again. I personally take no part in all this BS and don't know anyone who does, but if all people had compassion for others, we wouldn't have this world be as messy as it is. Glad this is coming to an end.

WeirdReport @WeirdReport
IT'S OFFICIAL LIBERALS! THE MURDERING BOSTON MARATHON BOMBERS ARE MUSLIMS! TOUGH BREAK MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, and NBC.
37 minutes ago

Those of you who have issues with "Muzzies", learn some tolerance and try to understand. Most of us, by far, are not into war. Go to a mosque and see how many middle-aged and old men are there. Ever notice "Muzzie" terrorists are always young? As said before, Wahhabis also go after Muslims, too. The US is an ally of Saudi Arabia, the very kingdom who pushes this Wahhabi BS. According to Islam, the actions of both are punishable by death. Justice served.[/quote

I don't think anyone has a problem with people of the Muslim faith. Our problem is with Muslim fundamentalists who have twisted the Koran to justify terrorism. The latest reports are that the bombers are from Chechnya, a Muslim region of Russia with a long history of terrorism. It is likely that the bombers are not Protestant, Jews, Catholics, Hindu or atheisists. My bet still goes on Muslim fundamentalists.

 

[RS9999X]

Anything that challenges the conceit of Fortress America is unpopular Butchie. Muzzies are going to take it on the chin this weekend . I expect to be entertained all weekend by posters demanding Death to all Muzzies

 

[Adios]

I don't think anyone has a problem with people of the Muslim faith. Our problem is with Muslim fundamentalists who have twisted the Koran to justify terrorism. The latest reports are that the bombers are from Chechnya, a Muslim region of Russia with a long history of terrorism. It is likely that the bombers are not Protestant, Jews, Catholics, Hindu or atheisists. My bet still goes on Muslim fundamentalists.

Chechnya used to be heavily into "Sufi" Islam (the school of thought I follow) before Wahhabi money crept in and corrupted the youth with propaganda. There's a tload of people in the US who are not Muslims (neo-Nazis, patriots, apocalyptic Christians, etc) and waiting to cause damage. They certainly outnumber Wahhabis.

 

[Adios]

Anything that challenges the conceit of Fortress America is unpopular Butchie. Muzzies are going to take it on the chin this weekend . I expect to be entertained all weekend by posters demanding Death to all Muzzies

They obviously have not been paying attention to China. I never even heard a single Muslim come up with a nickname for Christians, which I know you are. We are taught to respect other religions. Too bad the anti-Muzzie Christians can't and want to think we're devil worshipers.

 

[Dove]

The 2nd suspect who has been caught is Mike Mulugeta. The one still on the loose is missing brown student, sunil tripathi

Wow, man. Swung on and missed.

 

[upstater]

I don't think anyone has a problem with people of the Muslim faith. Our problem is with Muslim fundamentalists who have twisted the Koran to justify terrorism. The latest reports are that the bombers are from Chechnya, a Muslim region of Russia with a long history of terrorism. It is likely that the bombers are not Protestant, Jews, Catholics, Hindu or atheisists. My bet still goes on Muslim fundamentalists.

It's so complicated that it would be near impossible to do any justice to this. Chechnya obviously was not a religious resistance. It was your prototypical liberation movement, just like Georgia/Abkazia directly to the east. You had a conflict there too that looked like Chechnya. These are post-Soviet liberation revolutions, and the religious makeup of the people (Christians in Georgia, Muslims in Chechnya) is only relevant after the fact (i.e. once the people become radicalized, only then is religion used as a recruitment tool). Just like Bosnia and Kosovo, strife created an opening for Muslim fundamentalists to recruit--but the Christian side was recruiting thugs there too. Religion simply seems to be a tool used for power in these countries, rather than the thing that creates differences in the first place. It's the same as Iraq. Sectarian strife, not religious strife.

 

[CL82]

Anything that challenges the conceit of Fortress America is unpopular Butchie. Muzzies are going to take it on the chin this weekend . I expect to be entertained all weekend by posters demanding Death to all Muzzies

This statement has no place on this site, not in the men's basketball, not in the cesspool, really not anywhere at all. We may well find out, quite probably today, whether or not fundementalist muslims are behind the attack. Even after that happens, you'd be out of line.

 

[upstater]

So, now they're not even Chechnyan. They are from Kyrgyzstan. That's much more Eastern than Chechnya. Essentially, it's a country buffering the ex-USSR from China. So, lots of Russians and Europeans (30%) and minority Central Asians (Uzebks and Ughurs who are the group challenging the Chinese in that region inside China), while the rest are ethnic Kyrghiz (Turkic people) comprising about 60-65%.

Muslims comprise 80% of the population, 17% Christian, but there is no radicalization of the kind you see in Georgia (Christian) or Chechnya (Muslim). Furthermore, Europeans have tended to emigrate from the country (mainly to Germany) while the country becomes increasingly Kyrghiz and Muslim. In other words, the people who leave the country for other countries tend to be European and Christian. If you see what most Kyrghiz people look like, they have Mongolian and Asian features, while the two bombers look European. That's a generalization of course, but that's how it breaks down.

 

[upstater]

High school classmates are speaking about the guy still at large, they've been in the USA for a long time, he had a lot of friends, was popular and nice.

So this gets screwed up even more.

 

[Danzz]

So, now they're not even Chechnyan. They are from Kyrgyzstan. That's much more Eastern than Chechnya. Essentially, it's a country buffering the ex-USSR from China. So, lots of Russians and Europeans (30%) and minority Central Asians (Uzebks and Ughurs who are the group challenging the Chinese in that region inside China), while the rest are ethnic Kyrghiz (Turkic people) comprising about 60-65%.

Muslims comprise 80% of the population, 17% Christian, but there is no radicalization of the kind you see in Georgia (Christian) or Chechnya (Muslim). Furthermore, Europeans have tended to emigrate from the country (mainly to Germany) while the country becomes increasingly Kyrghiz and Muslim. In other words, the people who leave the country for other countries tend to be European and Christian. If you see what most Kyrghiz people look like, they have Mongolian and Asian features, while the two bombers look European. That's a generalization of course, but that's how it breaks down.

It's so complicated that it would be near impossible to do any justice to this. Chechnya obviously was not a religious resistance. It was your prototypical liberation movement, just like Georgia/Abkazia directly to the east. You had a conflict there too that looked like Chechnya. These are post-Soviet liberation revolutions, and the religious makeup of the people (Christians in Georgia, Muslims in Chechnya) is only relevant after the fact (i.e. once the people become radicalized, only then is religion used as a recruitment tool). Just like Bosnia and Kosovo, strife created an opening for Muslim fundamentalists to recruit--but the Christian side was recruiting thugs there too. Religion simply seems to be a tool used for power in these countries, rather than the thing that creates differences in the first place. It's the same as Iraq. Sectarian strife, not religious strife.

Isn't it ironic that all religions teach moral conduct yet millions have been killed in the name of religion? Religion used as a tool for power goes back centuries.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Chechnya used to be heavily into "Sufi" Islam (the school of thought I follow) before Wahhabi money crept in and corrupted the youth with propaganda. There's a tload of people in the US who are not Muslims (neo-Nazis, patriots, apocalyptic Christians, etc) and waiting to cause damage. They certainly outnumber Wahhabis.

Butch, appreciate the open minded posts on this topic. Just curious on your view, as I have long believed that we need to do something to cause a shift in the Saudi Royal's continuing support for and funding of the Wahhabi movement. They fund schools in Germany (replacing those run by Turkish emigres for the most part) and everywhere else it seems. It's a bad cycle and it really seems to come from S.A., supposedly our best buddy in the region.

 

[Adios]

Screw the media. How about we pay homage to the at least 35 killed in the factory explosion? I hope they have it better now.

 

[Adios]

Butch, appreciate the open minded posts on this topic. Just curious on your view, as I have long believed that we need to do something to cause a shift in the Saudi Royal's continuing support for and funding of the Wahhabi movement. They fund schools in Germany (replacing those run by Turkish emigres for the most part) and everywhere else it seems. It's a bad cycle and it really seems to come from S.A., supposedly our best buddy in the region.

Eradication of the propaganda. There's no other solution. Muslims have been trying for so long to wake Wahhabis up but they are so caught up in an image of purity and self-righteousness.

 

[upstater]

OK, so, in my neck of the woods. Black Nissan with Mass. plates just pulled over near the Rainbow bridge crossing into Canada in Niagara Falls. They were all driving from MIT campus. 2 Russian Nationals arrested, 4 backpacks.

 

[SubbaBub]

Isn't it ironic that all religions teach moral conduct yet millions have been killed in the name of religion? Religion used as a tool for power goes back centuries.

Muslim extremists are to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity. I learned that while watching The West Wing.

So if you are a macho he-man looking to punch a muslim in the throat this weekend for no good reason, any christian would suffice as a substitute.

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[upstater]

Isn't it ironic that all religions teach moral conduct yet millions have been killed in the name of religion? Religion used as a tool for power goes back centuries.

Yes indeed.

 

[Adios]

People will always find a reason to kill. Root of all "evil" is love for the ego. And here we are on a site that praises egos. That's ironic, as well.

 

[CL82]

People will always find a reason to kill. Root of all "evil" is love for the ego. And here we are on a site that praises egos. That's ironic, as well.

Maybe Butch, but a sub group of one particular Muslim sect has chosen to kill innocents as part of its modus operandi. That is significant. In an effort to reasonable, assertions like "people have been using religion for power for centuries" and "people will always find a way to kill" though undoubtedly accurate, miss the mark. In my opinion. The point that I believe that needs to be made is that this isn't a Muslim issue, it is a narrow sect that has declared war on that country. They need to be found and brought to justice. In the meantime all of us ought to condemn them, especially the Muslim community. I wish that happened more, or at least more publicly. It would go a long way to clarifying that this a small subgroup and not a religion as a whole.

 

[upstater]

Maybe Butch, but a sub group of one particular Muslim sect has chosen to kill innocents as part of its modus operandi. That is significant. In an effort to reasonable, assertions like "people have been using religion for power for centuries" and "people will always find a way to kill" though undoubtedly accurate, miss the mark. In my opinion. The point that I believe that needs to be made is that this isn't a Muslim issue, it is a narrow sect that has declared war on that country. They need to be found and brought to justice. In the meantime all of us ought to condemn them, especially the Muslim community. I wish that happened more, or at least more publically. It would go a long way to clarifying that this a small subgroup and not a religion as a whole.

Isn't it premature to even bring religion into this?

 

[CL82]

Isn't it premature to even bring religion into this?

Have you been reading this thread?

 

[Adios]

In the meantime all of us ought to condemn them, especially the Muslim community. I wish that happened more, or at least more publically. It would go a long way to clarifying that this a small subgroup and not a religion as a whole.

We've done that plenty. You can find loads and loads of web sites doing that. But do you think the media caters to rational minds? It's all about sensationalizing. Gossip magazines sell very, very well. People watch stupid reality shows endlessly.

 

[upstater]

Have you been reading this thread?

I have. It's not certain at all that the bombers were Muslim. If they were, I suspect they were recent converts, and not born. I was looking up Kyrgyzstan where they were form, and they look entirely different from the Muslim population of that country. If you do a search with Google Image of "Kyrghyz people" you'll find what the dominant Muslim group looks like. The bombers look like the European Christian minority of that country. Plus, they've been in the USA for well more than a decade and have been through those Cambridge schools.

 

[CL82]

We've done that plenty. You can find loads and loads of web sites doing that. But do you think the media caters to rational minds? It's all about sensationalizing. Gossip magazines sell very, very well. People watch stupid reality shows endlessly.

I can tell you that's been my experience, especially early on after 9/11 when people were angry and unequivocal about condemning the action and saying "that's not who we (Muslims) are." I agree with you that the media could do a much better job of making publicizing that.