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Yup, but one of college basketball's all time storied programs is at your place and you are posting this stuff. Begs the question.
No problem in your asking. I have the ability to multitask, ie watch the BC- Duke game ( or the Olympics or whatever ) in front of me on the TV, while simultaneously reading and posting on here via computer. Its not that difficult really, imo. I saw BC get smoked at home by Duke ( as I predicted here ), and didn't miss any of the game while reading and posting on here.
 
Kudos to you, CL82. You are correct. It was Adams. I stand corrected.

As far as the rest of your statement, well, what I said above holds; we will just have to agree to disagree; although I think you should pay attention to what SA is doing. BC just hauled in what many BC fans believe to be the best BC recruiting class in a long, long time (especially since most of these recruits pledged before the season when BC was coming off 2 wins!). This guy wants to be in New England and knows how to market the program. We see big things ahead.

Sure, you will probably disagree, but at least can we agree that the characterization of BC "sucking at everything, except hockey (for now)" is not borne out by the facts?
Addazio was a good pick up for you guys. But for some quirky timing, he might well have been our coach instead of Pasqualoni. Still I'm happy with Diaco, though it is still too early to know how he will do. I think we both understand that the poster you quoted was using hyperbole. I think you have to accept that if you come on to a UConn board.

The consensus here is that the move the ACC, while financially successful, has left the BC fans disconnected with their program and their sports programs diminished. Is that sucking? Well, only if you want your sports program to continue to trend upwards, or at least stay on the same plateau. My sense is that that is no longer the case at BC, but that may well be selective perception since I don't follow your program.
 
I can't speak for the one or two other BC fans that have replied to this thread topic re. the BC football schedule , but if you have been following the thread ( my guess you havn't been... not in my case anyway), then my answer to your inquiry ( as stated above a couple of times ) is that I'm a BC non alum fan living in Greater Boston that have familiy and friends that live in Connecticut and follow Uconn sports ( as well as BC) like I do. Also, I've read every comment on this thread so far by a BC football fan and have not detected a single case of ( your words ) a" HATE Uconn " type reply. Not one. Nor even any derogatory name calling either by any BC fan of a Uconn poster on this particular thread. However, if you'd like to point out where there was any BC " HATE Uconn " reply exhibited by a BC fan on this thread above, I would reconsider this assessment, to let it be known their reply tone was uncalled for in my opinion. But I have not observed this at all. Its been mostly a civil discourse on this thread, despite the quite obvious differences of opinion ( and occasional agreements and acknowledgements ) on events, behaviors, activities, motivations etc that have taken place between these 2 schools.

Yawkey Way, as a UConn Fan, I never supported the lawsuit Bluminthal started. I knew that it would create hard feelings amongst both schools' fans (and it did). I wish we could have part as friends, but Bluminthal saw it as a chance to politicized it. I just hope when we play hockey as rivals in the HE, both schools will get together and create a few OOC games -- and maybe BC could help us. (Having 3 FBS teams in New England will help High School FB...IMHO)

However, some of BC's fans (not you!!) do love to tell us that we aren't in a P5 conference. We know we aren't, but CR isn't done yet. Some of BC's fans hate UConn - and if it is due to the lawsuit, as I said I DID NOT support it. I would love to know why other BC fans troll here (and even Rutgers fans, too). Isn't the BC's sites as good as 'The-Boneyard'?
 
Yawkey Way, as a UConn Fan, I never supported the lawsuit Bluminthal started. I knew that it would create hard feelings amongst both schools' fans (and it did). I wish we could have part as friends, but Bluminthal saw it as a chance to politicized it. I just hope when we play hockey as rivals in the HE, both schools will get together and create a few OOC games -- and maybe BC could help us. (Having 3 FBS teams in New England will help High School FB...IMHO)

However, some of BC's fans (not you!!) do love to tell us that we aren't in a P5 conference. We know we aren't, but CR isn't done yet. Some of BC's fans hate UConn - and if it is due to the lawsuit, as I said I DID NOT support it. I would love to know why other BC fans troll here (and even Rutgers fans, too). Isn't the BC's sites as good as 'The-Boneyard'?

I think most people.. the ones paying attention to this suff anyway up in Boston... know that Blumenthal's lawsuit and his public grandstanding with it, has divided opinion now on whether or not it was the right strategy to employ at the time among the UCONN fanbase as they look back on it now in retrospect. You'll probably be happy to know as well however that with each passing day, my sense is that many in the BC fanbase think less and less of BC's AD Gene DeFilippo too. For one, his coaching hires were awful, and his public comments on the whole sorry saga terrible to say the least as well. Both BC and UCONN have had replacements at their schools that should benefit both schools in the long run, imo... as to why a handful or so of Rutgers and BC trolls come here, thats an easy one to answer. They like to make mischief and can't get that sort of perverse and fleeting satisfaction from their own fan message boards it seems to me. Every fan base has its crazies. I just chuckle, then pass them right on by without blinking an eye with that crowd.
 
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I think most people.. the ones paying attention to this suff anyway up in Boston... know that Blumenthal's lawsuit and his public grandstanding with it, has divided opinion now on whether or not it was the right strategy to employ at the time among the UCONN fanbase as they look back on it now in retrospect. You'll probably be happy to know as well however that with each passing day, my sense is that many in the BC fanbase think less and less of BC's AD Gene DeFilippo too. For one, his coaching hires were awful, and his public comments on the whole sorry saga terrible to say the least as well. Both BC and UCONN have had replacements at their schools that should benefit both schools in the long run, imo... as to why a handful or so of Rutgers and BC trolls come here, thats an easy one to answer. They like to make mischief and can't get that sort of perverse and fleeting satisfaction from their own fan message boards it seems to me. Every fan base has its crazies. I just chuckle, then pass them right on by without blinking an eye with that crowd.


I agree....every fan base has its crazies
 
From Dan Shaughnessy in the Globe this morning:

"Nobody enjoyed the Boston College-Holy Cross football rivalry more than myself, but putting the Crusaders on the field with the Eagles again is a bad idea."
 
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From Dan Shaughnessy in the Globe this morning:

"Nobody enjoyed the Boston College-Holy Cross football rivalry more than myself, but putting the Crusaders on the field with the Eagles again is a bad idea."

Its just his opinion, and like everyone else, he's entitled to it. Although it might be pointed out that Carrot Top here rarely covers BC football games anymore, no matter who they play. Its not his beat, Mike Vega handles that primarily at the Globe now that Blaudschun was let go at the Globe. Shaughnessy should stick to MLB, Yankees and Red Sox coverage. He knows baseball well.... NBA too. But College football ? I promise you... he couldn't tell you who the current football Coach is at Uconn, nor name a single player on last year's Uconn football team,. He's mostly out of the loop on College football , and especially that of New England College football.
 
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Its just his opinion, and like everyone else, he's entitled to it. Although it might be pointed out that Carrot Top here rarely covers BC football games anymore, no matter who they play. Its not his beat, Mike Vega handles that primarily at the Globe now that Blaudschun was let go at the Globe. Shaughnessy should stick to MLB, Yankees and Red Sox coverage. He knows baseball well. College football ? I promise you... he couldn't tell you who the current football Coach is at Uconn, nor name a single player on last year's Uconn football team,. He's mostly out of the loop on College football , and especially that of New England College football.

His point is that HC and BC went down different athletic paths years ago and playing again in football makes no sense as it is not a rivalry anymore, just an easy W for BC. What is the point of that? If you are going to play FCS teams, play the competitive ones like UNH, Villanova,...
 
His point is that HC and BC went down different athletic paths years ago and playing again in football makes no sense as it is not a rivalry anymore, just an easy W for BC. What is the point of that? If you are going to play FCS teams, play the competitive ones like UNH, Villanova,...

It is a win for BC and a payday for Holy Cross, a closely related Jesuit University and former rival. It provides a game that should be better attended than other FCS Schools because of past history. No more, no less.

By 2018, with Holy Cross giving a full complement of FCS Scholarships they may well be at the same level as a UNH or Villanova. By the way BC played Villanova last year.
 
His point is that HC and BC went down different athletic paths years ago and playing again in football makes no sense as it is not a rivalry anymore, just an easy W for BC. What is the point of that? If you are going to play FCS teams, play the competitive ones like UNH, Villanova,...

Its a valid point that he makes too.. but he rarely covers N.E. College football in his Globe and 99% of his columns he writes each week don't cover anything thats happening in College football in New England anymore. So for someone like me in Greater Boston, his comment, while valid, is viewed in this context.. thats all that I am trying to say, UConnJim. ( and as pointed out , BC did play ' Nova last season .. and has Umass upcoming this season)
 
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Thats a bit of a snarky response. I'm more interested in providing information to people that regrettably apparently were under the misconception that Lew Perkins, the Uconn AD did not attempt to privately get UCONN into the ACC in 2003, while publicly taking the position of loyalty and fidelity to the BE at the time. John Swofford publicly stated that he did not take kindly to being a defendant in a lawsuit coming out of Connecticut AD's office when UCONN itself sought entry into his ACC league prior the launch of the lawsuit. Is it possible that Blumenthal himself was not aware of the private actions of Perkins at UCONN ?, or was Blumenthal aware but pro0ceeded with the lawsuit anyway ? Who knows. But its clear to all ( or should be by now ) that UCONN was attempting to privately secure entry into the ACC in 2003 after Miami left ( and something BC was attempting to do as well, but was being excoriated by the BE because their efforts to secure entry looked like a go for them in 2003 ). Its not my fault that I'm I'm reading for the first time that apparently a lot of UCONN football fans were not aware of UCONN's private contacts in 2003 to get into the ACC... As such, it does help me understand for the first time that many UCONN fans are bitter toward BC but its probably not their fault. Many are somehow unfamiliar with what both the ACC AND the BE top officials have acknowledged, but that many Uconn fans were not made aware of for one reason or another. until now ,it appears. This attempt at educating some UCONN fans with what appears to me to be new info for the vast majority of them on here is more satisfying for me than watching a BC lame duck basketball coach about to takes his charges out on a court to be smoked at home by Duke. But you're right, this is my personal choice.
My only question is: Did BC try to block UConn going into the ACC? This does not imply that if BC did not attempt to block UConn that UConn would have been admitted. However, it make just cause for the CT AG at that time to seek a vendetta against BC. Granted, this vendetta, should have been in threat only, as this would have made the point and not in action in my honest opinion. The action our CT AG made at that time actually cost more than what was settled. The only ones who made out were the lawyers as is usually the case. For this reason, more than any other I hate that this action took place. To me it was a joke - a bad joke, and worse a costly joke. But I do think that many fans feel that BC has gotten in the way of UConn far too often to just be coincidental.
 
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Yawkey I still don't buy this story about UConn trying to get into the ACC 10 years ago...I haven't really seen any write up about it from any writer in the NE or SE other than a throw away line in a blog article 8 or 9 years later.

How is it you have access to Swofford's testimony? I'd love to see it myself!

Although as you said, if the biggest fball team and the biggest local rival is leaving along with potentially Syracuse, I could see why he would want to see if he could get a ticket too - which by the way is different than what BC did which was to instigate the real beginning of this entire Conference Realigment mess.

A city tied to the Northeast in everyway possible going to a confederate conference proved that anything really could be possible with teams moving around. Everyone was flabbergasted once that happened. I still remember Dickie V saying what a joke it was for BC to leave the BE for the ACC.
 
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Yawkey I still don't buy this story about UConn trying to get into the ACC 10 years ago...I haven't really seen any write up about it from any writer in the NE or SE other than a throw away line in a blog article 8 or 9 years later.
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Its common knowledge up in Boston that follow this stuff that Uconn AD Lew Perkins tried in 2003 within days days of learning that Miami was bolting the ACC to determine the ACC's interest in UCONN in becoming a member, so he contacted Commissioner John Swofford himself personally ( and who could blame him for doing so ? ). Its been published in several articles of Perkins contact in 2003 with the ACC on behalf of UCONN. If you are looking for the latest confirmation of this, there is last summers article I cited above on this very thread for you and others, and this latest confirmation actually comes from BE offices itself. Ass't Commissioner for 2003 Tom McElroy confirms that Uconn tried to secure a ACC spot for themselves in 2003. This part is inarguable and indisputable it seems to me by now. What is in dispute however is that Mc Elroy is quoted as saying that " BC attempted to block Uconn's entry to the ACC in 2003". BC denies they attempted to do so in 2003, but McElroy says they did.. so its simply question of who is telling the truth, and my guess UCOON fans would be inclined to believe the BE that it was BC that attempted to block Uconn's quest to secure entry into the ACC after Miami left in 2003 and I 'll accept that . John Swofford, the ACC Commisioner also confirms in sworn depositions in the lawsuit as a Defendant that Perkins, the Uconn AD, contacted him in 2003 to determine the ACC's interest in Uconn. But I'd rather use the BE Ass't Commisioner McElroy on this UCONN board as a most recent ( summer 2013) source for this as he's not from BC, not from the ACC, but from the BE office itself, and as Ass't BE Commissioner, 2nd only to Michael Trangheese, Tom McElroy would know about this 2003 quest by Uconn than just about anyone else. Hope this helps fill in the blanks for you ( and others) Viking. Sometimes its not until years later that the truth, no matter how uncomfortable, eventually surfaces to bring closure to bad things that happen. De Fillipo was a jerk, and said and did a lot of things that were highly unprofessional. He'd say one thing in public, but do something else in private. But he sure as heck wasn't the only one doing this, as we've now learned over the years.

Anyway.. here's just the most recent source cite of UCONN's quest for ACC membership in 2003 ( and before the lawsuit was launced by Blumenthal ) ; Ass't BE Commish Tom McElroy under section " 2011 ACC expansion ": http://blog.syracuse.com/sports/2013/06/syracuse_acc_sports_change_con.html
 
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Ass;t Commissioner for 2003 McElroy confirms that Uconn tried to secure a ACC spot for themselves in 2003. This part is inarguable it seems to me by now.

Anyway.. here's just the most recent source cite of UCONN's quest for ACC membership in 2003 ( and before the lawsuit was launced by Blumenthal ) ; Ass't BE Commish Tom McElroy under section " 2011 ACC expansion ": http://blog.syracuse.com/sports/2013/06/syracuse_acc_sports_change_con.html

I'm promised myself I would just keep ignoring this thread but you're still making schlit up as you go along - I've read the "cite/source" Syracuse.com article many times and still don't see where you are pulling the Perkin's claim above from?? Show me/quote the statement you are referring to exactly? Exactly when did Perkins have this discussion w/ Swofford?

You keep ignoring the questions regarding Swofford's depo as well.
 
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I'm promised myself I would just keep ignoring this thread but you're still making schlit up as you go along - quote]

Response :...This is BE Ass't Big East Commissioner for 2003, Tom Mcelroy stating quite clearly in this 6/25/ 2013 printed newspaper article that ( quote )" Boston College blocked Connecticut the first time( to the ACC ) in 2003. They'd probably do it again ( after 2003 )." Surely you can understand that nothing can" be blocked " nor need to " be blocked " if there is not the quest to secure entry that would require an attempt at " a block ". While true that in this article that former BE Ass't Commissioner McElroy does not mention Lew Perkins by name in this article, it is undeniable that he is telling us unmistakably that UCONN sought entry in 2003, bu were being ( his words ) " being blocked " in 2003. Also, it would be a dereliction of the duties of the UCONN AD ( or Uconn School President ) NOT to have been in contact with the ACC ( despite their public posturing to the contrary ) in 2003 when the first dominos began to fall in the BE with the announcement that Miami was heading off to the ACC. Every other BE football schooli n 2003 was making inquiries after Miami left, so why wouldn't UCONN be expected too as well ? Heck, Virginia Tech, that was a party to Blumenthals lawsuit was suing as a plaintiff, while behind the scenes negotiating privately to get into the ACC.....and did, before the Defendant BC did. So of course, UCONN was in contact in 2003 with the ACC. I'd be disappointed as heck if I am a UCONN fan and found out that UCONN didn't try in 2003.. but its all mute, as McElroy confirms they did in 2003, but " were blocked ".
 
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I'm promised myself I would just keep ignoring this thread but you're still making schlit up as you go along - I've read the "cite/source" Syracuse.com article many times and still don't see where you are pulling the Perkin's claim above from?? Show me/quote the statement you are referring to exactly? Exactly when did Perkins have this discussion w/ Swofford?

You keep ignoring the questions regarding Swofford's depo as well.

Response :...This is BE Ass't Big East Commissioner for 2003, Tom Mcelroy stating quite clearly in this 6/25/ 2013 printed newspaper article that ( quote )" Boston College blocked Connecticut the first time( to the ACC ) in 2003. They'd probably do it again ( after 2003 )." Surely you can understand that nothing can" be blocked " nor need to " be blocked " if there is not the quest to secure entry that would require an attempt at " a block ". While true that in this article that former BE Ass't Commissioner McElroy does not mention Lew Perkins by name in this article, it is undeniable that he is telling us unmistakably that UCONN sought entry in 2003, bu were being ( his words ) " being blocked " in 2003. Also, it would be a dereliction of the duties of the UCONN AD ( or Uconn School President ) NOT to have been in contact with the ACC ( despite their public posturing to the contrary ) in 2003 when the first dominos began to fall in the BE with the announcement that Miami was heading off to the ACC. Every other BE football schooli n 2003 was making inquiries after Miami left, so why wouldn't UCONN be expected too as well ? Heck, Virginia Tech, that was a party to Blumenthals lawsuit was suing as a plaintiff, while behind the scenes negotiating privately to get into the ACC.....and did, before the Defendant BC did. So of course, UCONN was in contact in 2003 with the ACC. I'd be disappointed as heck if I am a UCONN fan and found out that UCONN didn't try in 2003.. but its all mute, as McElroy confirms they did in 2003, but " were blocked ".

McElroy confirms nothing with that statement. You have supplied no evidence that Perkins contacted the ACC. Just how you interpret an article. The "BC blocking" could just have as easily been as a result of say NC, UVA and Duke attempting to bring UConn into the fold (without any alleged inquiry by Lew Perkins) and BC throwing a hissy fit. Makes just as much sense as your fable.

So in other words - it's your "undeniable" "unmistakable" assumptions and opinions that are not backed up by verifiable facts. Thought so all along...

How about you addressing the Swofford depo that you keep referencing as gospel and conveniently refuse to provide link to despite numerous requests by poster to do so...

You can continue weaving your tale - I thought I was missing something.
 
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Yeah at this point Yawkey is pretty clearly just making s** up. I had a feeling if we kept pressing him we would see what we're dealing with.
 
Yeah at this point Yawkey is pretty clearly just making s* up. I had a feeling if we kept pressing him we would see what we're dealing with.
what am I " making up " ? I come here with no hate, no vitriol, no name calling, no anger toward anyone here. I am seeking civil discussion. If that disinterests you , or you have a need to pick a fight for some reason with me, then I'm not interested in any of that, frankly, so maybe its best for yourself if you avoid my posts if they offend you in some manner. I have no interest in making people here upset, mad, angry or whatever. And people who are angry, profane, into name calling or whatever, do not interest me either. One easy read of my posts on this thread here should have one easily determine that I have been critical of BC, its AD, its actions and behaviors in the past. I have told posters on here that I support a BC- Uconn football game, and that I have family and friends in Connecticut that are disappointed in the state of affairs between UCONN and BC and would like to see a better relationship. I believe there are enough civil and respectful Uconn fans on here to learn some things from one another that can help bridge the discord.... that coincidentally, just might help UCONN get what they seek, ACC admittance, a game with BC and so forth. I believe all my posts here to be respectful of all posters on here , even when we might have disagreed on a point or two.But if I am wrong on this attempt to bridge the discord, then I will be happy to leave, and people can do as they please on here. It is afterall your Uconn fan website. You people decide if you want to discuss things only amongst yourselves ( which is fine if thats the choice too by the way ), or you would like to have civil and respectful discussions with people that are from New England that are not UCONN football fans, but are not hateful, nor disrespectful toward UCONN, nor its football fans, and if you want to hear what they think, know, observe.. and either accept their input or reject them, both acceptable choices too in my view.. It really is your choice should you decide to be dismissive and or disrespectful to a guest that I am on here... or to match the respect that I believe that I have so far shown to you ( and all others on here ) with respectful equanimity.
 
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what am I " making up " ? I come here with no hate, no vitriol, no name calling, no anger toward anyone here. I am seeking civil discussion. If that disinterests you , or you have a need to pick a fight for some reason with, then I'm not interested in any of that, frankly, so maybe its best for yourself if you avoid my posts if they offend you.
Your citing some blog with kind of an ambiguous line that doesn't say at all that Perkins contacted Swofford. I'm telling you, Tranghese stated on the Mike Francessa show when the C7, decided to seperate from the FB schools, that on one than more occassion UConn President Austin, saved the conference from imploding by bringing the football and basketball schools back to the table. The relationship between the two sides was at times acrimonious.
 
Your citing some blog with kind of an ambiguous line that doesn't say at all that Perkins contacted Swofford. I'm telling you, Tranghese stated on the Mike Francessa show when the C7, decided to seperate from the FB schools, that on one than more occassion UConn President Austin, saved the conference from imploding by bringing the football and basketball schools back to the table. The relationship between the two sides was at times acrimonious.
I will accept the belief that UCONN President Austin tried.. but unsuccessfully... to bring the BE football and BE Basketball schools back to the table. It sounds plausable and believable to me. However, you are asking me to cross a bridge to far to accept much of anything that Michael Tranghese says about anything. I think most UCONN fans know that Michael Tranghese was not very credible especially whenever he began to talk anything at all about BE football, BE football plans, Uconn football, etc and any of that.
 
Yawkey, in one of your 70+ posts I thought you stated that you read a quote from Swofford saying Perkins reached out to the ACC in 2003. I have no idea if he did or didn't, but I think that's the quote people have been asking and waiting for you to post.

As for the SU blog, that's about as valid as the boneyard or bc interruption (translation, not valid at all).
 
My only question is: Did BC try to block UConn going into the ACC? .

It appears so, Stray_ Dog,... and as far back as 2003, BC tried to block Uconn to the ACC, if BE Ass't Commisioner McElroy anyway is to be believed.

BC's former AD Gene DeFilippo is on record as attempting to block Uconn to the ACC as recently as 2011, 2012, 2013 as well. So this much seems clear anyway. I disliked the guy, never trusted him, and he has a vengeful personality in my view. So all the accusations made about him certainly fit the profile of the guy that I've met on a few occasions. I'm glad he's gone. His hires of Coaches were awful in my view..... All that said, I've never seen him with the power and influence in the ACC that a few in some quarters seem to think he had. The belief that he could single handedly keep Uconn out of the ACC always seemed silly to me. My belief is that if ACC Commish John Swofford, the ACC Board, and the other ACC School Presidents wanted UCONN in the ACC, they wern't going to stop this because of BC's DeFilippo... whether it was in 2003, or 2013, or any other year for that matter. That never seemed plausable to me. To think so, would mean that BC was chock full of power and influence down in Tobacco Road on decisions made there by the entire ACC, but really now... how likely is that ?
 
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You keep referring to an incredibly vague line in a Cuse blog that doesn't specifically say or expand on the idea that UConn was trying to get into the ACC at the time you say they were and you're using that as your crutch, along with your comments that only you apparently know of during Swofford's testimony.

Maybe you can understand why you're getting some artillery back at you.

And IF you are correct anyway, I won't put Perkins in the same boat as BC as Perkins was merely reacting to defections rather than being the school that really opened the door to the idea that geography didn't matter in conference realignment.
 
And IF you are correct anyway, I won't put Perkins in the same boat as BC as Perkins was merely reacting to defections rather than being the school that really opened the door to the idea that geography didn't matter in conference realignment.

I don't think much of either Perkins or DeFilippo, as neither was very credible,in my view. DeFilippo we are already familiar with on here, and Perkins left Uconn rather abruptly after it was clear that Uconn would not being going to the ACC under his watch. He went to the Big12 Kansas, but as I'm sure you are aware, he was made to resign under a cloud of scandal and corruption in his Athletic office there that he supervised.. Perkins is originally from Chelsea Ma. He is cut from the same cloth as De Filippo. I'm met them both... 'wouldn't trust either one of them frankly. I told you about Perkins contacting Swofford immediately after Miami lefti n 2003. It was told to me by someone with intimate knowledge of the Court documents afidavits, depositions, sworn testimony under oath. It is in the Court filed records. I have no desire to go get the documents under the Freedom of Information Act at this juncture, but they are there for others to secure to read and verify for themselves. Since I'm not motivated now to seek those documents, and have not really established my credibility here, I'm prepared to accept that UCONN fans will not be prepared to accept what I am telling them on this, and forfeit my right to be believed on this point. That said, the BE Ass't Commissioner did make it clear in the cited source, provided here that Uconn was blocked in their quest to secure an ACC invite in 2003. If his word is also not persuadable, then thats unfortunate, as its pretty clear that he is saying that UCONN quest in 2003 " was blocked ". Also, common sense would add weight to this even without my words or the BE Ass't Commish words, as why wouldn't Uconn make an inquiry with the ACC on behalf of their school, as just about every other BE football school was in contact with the ACC in 2003 immediately after Miami left, despite their public posturing to the contrary ? Any UCONN school official that did not contact the ACC immediately after Miami left would not be serving their school in its best interests. They would owe it to their school and their fans. And they did. Lew Perkins did do his due diligence. He did try his best to personally determine the ACC's interest in Uconn immediately after Miami left. And the Ass't BE Commish acknowledges that " UCONN was blocked by BC in 2003 ". I don't blame Perkins one bit... nor his keeping it silent, once it was made clear to him by Swofford that the ACC was not prepared to offer Uconn an invite in 2003. Nor do I take issue with Perkins taking a public posuture of fidelity and loyalty to the BE, despite what was taking place in private.(but later revealed ) I have no knowledge if Blumenthal was made aware of Perkins contact with Swofford, but its clear this info came out in testimony and that Blumenthal and Perkins were not happy with one another, but by that time, Perkins had moved about as far away as he could from it all.. the N. E. born and raised guy went abruptly all the way out to Kansas. So thats the chronology.. and I can understand if some on here are not prepared to accept all of this, some of this, or frankly none of this. Its ok, no matter what. I'm just sharing what I know, and citing the BE Ass't Commish Tom McElroy as a backup source, but its not my place to determine for others what they read. learn, know, etc and come to accept or reject.
 
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Its common knowledge up in Boston that follow this stuff that Uconn AD Lew Perkins tried in 2003 within days days of learning that Miami was bolting the ACC to determine the ACC's interest in UCONN in becoming a member, so he contacted Commissioner John Swofford himself personally ( and who could blame him for doing so ? ).

LOL! I mean honest to god, whatever pops into some folk's head just comes out their mouth or onto their keyboard.
 
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You keep referring to an incredibly vague line in a Cuse blog that doesn't specifically say or expand on the idea that UConn was trying to get into the ACC at the time you say they were and you're using that as your crutch, along with your comments that only you apparently know of during Swofford's testimony.

Maybe you can understand why you're getting some artillery back at you.

And IF you are correct anyway, I won't put Perkins in the same boat as BC as Perkins was merely reacting to defections rather than being the school that really opened the door to the idea that geography didn't matter in conference realignment.

Since I am stuck at home after a snow storm I finally read this thread. Some interesting points on both sides. One point of correction however. The idea that geography did not matter was not as a result of anything BC did, it was the BE taking Miami years before that established that precedent. Not only did geography not matter in that move, but it also, in my opinion, set up the eventual fall of the BE.
 
Since I am stuck at home after a snow storm I finally read this thread. Some interesting points on both sides. One point of correction however. The idea that geography did not matter was not as a result of anything BC did, it was the BE taking Miami years before that established that precedent. Not only did geography not matter in that move, but it also, in my opinion, set up the eventual fall of the BE.

Why are you so obsessed with posting stuff about BC?
 
Since I am stuck at home after a snow storm I finally read this thread. Some interesting points on both sides. One point of correction however. The idea that geography did not matter was not as a result of anything BC did, it was the BE taking Miami years before that established that precedent. Not only did geography not matter in that move, but it also, in my opinion, set up the eventual fall of the BE.
What Miami did was ensure itself a steady revenue stream in down years when it moved to the ACC. Miami had the original sweetheart deal with BE. They received a larger % of the FB revenue pie because of their football success. They were the marquee program. If they made the BCS, they got to keep a lot of that revenue. It was the same in BB with better schools keeping NCAA credits (part of the argument of not splitting from the BB schools when this whole thing started). When they left with VT, the BE revenue formula changed, I believe, to a more even distribution of the FB pie and I think they changed BB too.

Did Miami know they were going to become irrelevant relative to the NC in FB when they moved? Who knows, but they may have sensed there was the distinct possibility of sanctions because when they were successful they always played close to the edge as far as recruiting and maintaining player eligibility. In any event, the move to the ACC did give them revenue stability and a chance to come thru a period of really sucking. I think Golden will have them in the ACC CG next season and they will be strong for a number of years going forward once again.

It is somewhat apparent to me that Uconn made an overture to the ACC right after BC was turned down the first time and again when the NCAA said an 11 team league could not have a championship game. Go back and read the Calhoun quotes about Uconn being the best fit. Add in some of ACC BB coaches comments and you can deduce that it was going on. No public statements were ever made about teams and expansion after the first ACC expansion until it was after the fact and Perkins certainly was not dumb enough to open his mouth on the record.

Geography was always a secondary consideration after cash even for the BE. The BE also showed that when they added FB only schools or when they booted Temple. In many respects, the BE through its actions and expansion over its history did really set the stage for what has happened over the last decade. They added, and booted, schools solely to strengthen the league without caring about what it did to other conferences. They offered schools a step up in the major sports. Not much different than what has happened in the last 10 years. Not that the business strategy is wrong, it was just being done in a hybrid league that was destined to fail.
 
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