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Still early but Andre Drummond leads the league in Defensive Win Share and defensive Box +/-, and is 8th in Defensive rating. There's more that goes into defense besides the opponents points.
He was also very high in some of those categories last year as well, yet he was a very mediocre defender. Not really sure how he was, those advanced metrics confuse me . But he has definitely been a better defender at this point in the season compared to years past.
 
He was also very high in some of those categories last year as well, yet he was a very mediocre defender. Not really sure how he was, those advanced metrics confuse me . But he has definitely been a better defender at this point in the season compared to years past.
Those stats (which are generally very good, but not perfect) over-value defensive rebounding, which is why Andre rated so well last year despite being – as you correctly put it – a lazy & mediocre defender.

However, I agree with your assessment from early this year: He's been much better. He's more active and engaged, and is using his athleticism better to cut down angles, especially when hedging. He was absolutely crucial in that win over the Dubs last night.

Anyway, it's great to have five Huskies playing great ball to start the year. Shabazz hasn't gotten as much love in this thread yet but he's shooting the lights out and has earned a nice role as Portland's 9th or 10th man. Dude's gonna have a decade-long NBA career and add real value – not a Kemba-type star by any stretch, but the type of guy who can help make a team better through the grind of the regular season.
 
Those stats (which are generally very good, but not perfect) over-value defensive rebounding, which is why Andre rated so well last year despite being – as you correctly put it – a lazy & mediocre defender.

However, I agree with your assessment from early this year: He's been much better. He's more active and engaged, and is using his athleticism better to cut down angles, especially when hedging. He was absolutely crucial in that win over the Dubs last night.

Anyway, it's great to have five Huskies playing great ball to start the year. Shabazz hasn't gotten as much love in this thread yet but he's shooting the lights out and has earned a nice role as Portland's 9th or 10th man. Dude's gonna have a decade-long NBA career and add real value – not a Kemba-type star by any stretch, but the type of guy who can help make a team better through the grind of the regular season.
Did you see KD put him on skates last night? hahaha. Glad he didn't fall though, but looked dangerously close to doing so
 
Shabazz hasn't gotten as much love in this thread yet . . . .
Let's take care of that right now:
Guy averaged 24 minutes per game as a crucial 2nd ball handler, allowing KW to play off ball and get breathers, and his personal set of Senhor's finest was critical to our 3rd Nattie. As a freshman.
Guy stayed through the ban year, where he was punished for behavior that had nothing to do with him.
Guy was a national voice for giving student athletes benefits beyond the basic food plan, which didn't take care of all food/nutritional needs, and took big s--- for it.
Guy made it a personal mission to show the country what happens when you ban us, then put the team on his shoulders and parlayed incomparable moxie and leadership into Natie 4, taking us from darn darn good to top shelf baby.
I know about foundational Huskies - the George Washingtons and Adams and so on. But Shabazz is the greatest Husky ever.
 
Let's take care of that right now:
Guy averaged 24 minutes per game as a crucial 2nd ball handler, allowing KW to play off ball and get breathers, and his personal set of Senhor's finest was critical to our 3rd Nattie. As a freshman.
Guy stayed through the ban year, where he was punished for behavior that had nothing to do with him.
Guy was a national voice for giving student athletes benefits beyond the basic food plan, which didn't take care of all food/nutritional needs, and took big s--- for it.
Guy made it a personal mission to show the country what happens when you ban us, then put the team on his shoulders and parlayed incomparable moxie and leadership into Natie 4, taking us from darn darn good to top shelf baby.
I know about foundational Huskies - the George Washingtons and Adams and so on. But Shabazz is the greatest Husky ever.
4th Nattie.

4>1!:cool:
 
He was also very high in some of those categories last year as well, yet he was a very mediocre defender. Not really sure how he was, those advanced metrics confuse me . But he has definitely been a better defender at this point in the season compared to years past.

Also leads the league in steals, is 3rd in steal %, 3rd in rebounds, and top 20 in blocks so it probably makes a little more sense this year.
 
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Hornets have taken out Orlando and Memphis in back to back nights. No big deal. Kemba is being Kemba, but Lamb has been playing solidly too as a starter this season.
 
Hornets have taken out Orlando and Memphis in back to back nights. No big deal. Kemba is being Kemba, but Lamb has been playing solidly too as a starter this season.

Tonight was big especially being down double digits in the 4th, Kemba willing his team with Conley guarding him I'm assuming ( I didnt see the game) Lamb also made some clutch shots.
 
Like old times...


Damn - Lamb's arms are actually muscular and well-proportioned - well beyond the twigs he sported at UConn! Well done young fella - always had the incredible touch and nose for the ball - great job controlling what you could control to make your game better. I was rail thin in H.S. and college - so I know - took a lot of really hard work on Jeremy's part to put on that muscle. Really impressed.
 
Kyrie playing really well keeping the Celtics in 1st despite the Hayward loss and Tatum looks great (14/7 48%fg and 50%3pt). Crowder doing nothing in CLe and IT hurt for who knows how long. Good thing Danny is running the show in Boston not @the Q
 
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Kemba is still underrated IMO. He has turned himself into one of the elite point guards and a star. Take him off that Charlotte team and they stink.
Without Kemba, Charlotte wouldn't win more than 20 games. With him, they're a 40-45 win team. Other than LeBron, he may be the most important player to their team in the league.
 
Kyrie playing really well keeping the Celtics in 1st despite the Hayward loss and Tatum looks great (14/7 48%fg and 50%3pt). Crowder doing nothing in CLe and IT hurt for who knows how long. Good thing Danny is running the show in Boston not @the Q

Still right that Danny overpaid.

Espn even did an article about it. And the Bledsoe trade will confirm it.
 
Kyrie playing really well keeping the Celtics in 1st despite the Hayward loss and Tatum looks great (14/7 48%fg and 50%3pt). Crowder doing nothing in CLe and IT hurt for who knows how long. Good thing Danny is running the show in Boston not @the Q
Jaylen Brown's much improved as well.

I don't know how the Bledsoe trade will confirm that Ainge overpaid, either. On the one hand, we're in the season and they shut down Bledsoe (diminishing his trade value even further than the Kyrie situation), and on the other, Bledsoe hasn't proven to be in Kyrie's league basketball-wise.
 
Still right that Danny overpaid.

Espn even did an article about it. And the Bledsoe trade will confirm it.
No you are not. And the fact that you think you are is scary.
 
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Jaylen Brown's much improved as well.

I don't know how the Bledsoe trade will confirm that Ainge overpaid, either. On the one hand, we're in the season and they shut down Bledsoe (diminishing his trade value even further than the Kyrie situation), and on the other, Bledsoe hasn't proven to be in Kyrie's league basketball-wise.

not true.

last year they had the exact same VORP. And they were comparable in 2015-2016, although both were hit pretty hard by injuries that year.

Same contract length.

Bledsoe is a bit cheaper.
 
No you are not. And the fact that you think you are is scary.

you don't understand the concept of opportunity cost, do you?
 
you don't understand the concept of opportunity cost, do you?
I do, but you think you are Chad Ford and that Tatum is not good and should have been included over the Nets pick. Wrong. The nets pick will fall outside the top 5 probably, so please tell me more Knox or Walker or Sexton being better than Kyrie and Tatum.
 
not true.

last year they had the exact same VORP. And they were comparable in 2015-2016, although both were hit pretty hard by injuries that year.

Same contract length.

Bledsoe is a bit cheaper.
I think Bledsoe is a very good player, but I'm picking Kyrie every time. And it wouldn't be close for me. But you're picking one stat here, and we all know advanced basketball stats aren't as strong as baseball ones. We need a wider picture.

Kyrie had a higher PER, higher TS%, lower TO% (Bledsoe had higher A%). He shoots the 3 better by a lot (40% to 33.5% last year), and in general (47% to 43%). Kyrie's younger by almost 3 years, and has 2 inches on Bledsoe. Kyrie's weakness is defense, but his defensive rating was identical to Bledsoe's last year. In their years in the league (and Bledsoe has had more), Bledsoe has had a VORP of 3 or more once (3.3), and had 2.9 last year. Every other year was sub-2. Irving had a VORP higher than 3 twice (3.7 and 3.3), and just below it twice (2.9 and 2.8). Bledsoe rebounds at a better rate (8 to 5 TRB%), and assists slightly better rate (31.1 to 29.7 AST%).
 
I think Bledsoe is a very good player, but I'm picking Kyrie every time. And it wouldn't be close for me. But you're picking one stat here, and we all know advanced basketball stats aren't as strong as baseball ones. We need a wider picture.

Kyrie had a higher PER, higher TS%, lower TO% (Bledsoe had higher A%). He shoots the 3 better by a lot (40% to 33.5% last year), and in general (47% to 43%). Kyrie's younger by almost 3 years, and has 2 inches on Bledsoe. Kyrie's weakness is defense, but his defensive rating was identical to Bledsoe's last year. In their years in the league (and Bledsoe has had more), Bledsoe has had a VORP of 3 or more once (3.3), and had 2.9 last year. Every other year was sub-2. Irving had a VORP higher than 3 twice (3.7 and 3.3), and just below it twice (2.9 and 2.8). Bledsoe rebounds at a better rate (8 to 5 TRB%), and assists slightly better rate (31.1 to 29.7 AST%).

No doubt. All fair Points. Just saying their value the last 2 years has been close. But the biggest difference now is one guy has a HOF coach, and the other was in Phoenix.

It’s closer than most think. Which is why I want to see what this ends up looking like.
 
Call me crazy but lamb fits very nicely in the starting line up... we will if he can keep this up .
He does but I think he would be fine off the bench as well as long as Clifford doesn't get wacky with his minutes. No reason why Lamb can't continue to get 25 minutes at the minimum off the bench backing up Batum/MKG, or playing alongside either of them if they slide up a position. He would be the featured scorer and secondary(and at times primary ballhandler, Clifford has been raving about his playmaking abilities) with the bench unit, plenty of opportunity to score in bunches.
 
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Do wall and beal get more love than they deserve?
 
Wow. 14 made free throws is a career high. His previous career high, 13, came on 36 attempts.

Id be curious to kno what he did for training this summer. Anyone see any articles out there?

Ive heard of him using special shootinf sleeves and coaches before, but nothing recently.
 
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