Well, that's decision UCONN made when they terminated Kevin Ollie. I'm sure they contemplated this in their best case / worst case analysis and they clearly made a bad bet so here we are. Completely foreseeable.
Ollie Suing Glen Miller for Slander
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UConn clearly made the bad bet? I'll assume you made a slip and meant to say Ollie clearly made the bad bet. Walking away with no money and no future prospects in coaching is about as bad a bet as one can make.
A bad bet terminating Ollie? Wtf.
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The lawsuit? After Ollie's attorneys' earlier FOI request unintentionally enabled public access to unhelpful information, perhaps unintentionally enabling another batch of defense attorneys to subpoena potentially more unhelpful professional and possible personal information? Another filing symbolically testing the ability of pasta to stick on a wall? Some hybrid? I jest ...
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Meh. Foreseeable as in possible? I guess, but I doubt anyone would have thought KO would have as completely immolated his reputation and relationships as he has. It is a stunning meltdown and unpleasant to watch. Not so much for UConn but Kevin. He's burn the bulk of his personal capital with really nothing to show for it.
That said, once he cheated and repeatedly lied about it to UConn and the NCAA the only possible outcome was his dismissal for cause. He could have managed the departure better which would have had the result of his being able to create a better narrative (complex and confusing rules, just trying to develop his players, left once he felt it was in the University's best interest, etc.) and probably ended up with more money in his pocket. Instead, he chose to make the biggest mess he could in the hopes that UConn would pay him to go away. That resulted in no payoff and a narrative of KO as petulant child. He's toxic at this point.
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Bad bet as it relates to how the UCONN Administration thought this would play out with Ollie and his subsequent actions. UCONN went Nuclear, Ollie went Nuclear. This was foreseeable. That is all that I'm referring to here. Regarding the decision to move on they did what they had to do. The dispute is all about the disagreement with the process and how it was done but once one side goes Nuclear you can expect the other side to do the same. We all know that K.O. is not laying down or bending over for anyone.
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My point has been consistent. Everyone on the board is moving forward as if everything is final. It clearly is not. Plain and simple-When he got fired I immediately suspected there would be a claim of discrimination-many scoffed at the thought. Now I am suggesting if KO prevails against GM, that would lead to further lawsuits. Doesn't mean I think he wins or not-I have posted facts(nothing is settled)and opinions(he will sure the NCAA if he prevails against GM. All the posters who say he has no chance....Please tell me what a jury is going to do. Ask Rodney King, OJ, the USFL, etc, etc, etc.
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UConn's bet got them Dan Hurley as coach so I'd say they're pretty comfortable with the choice
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I don't see how firing Ollie is a bad bet for UCONN. Saving almost 11 million dollars is not a bad bet when you've got all the law on your side. The only bad thing about it is some negative PR for the university, but most institutions would favor that risk/reward scenario any time if it means saving almost 11 million bucks.
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There is no disagreement about K.O. having other or better strategies that could have been explored that would have mitigated the hit to his brand however once you get to a point where you feel you have nothing more to lose he is the type of guy that will go against the obvious path out of faith. We forget K.O. remains a man in faith so when you have someone that operates like that this worse case scenario was foreseeable. I still put the burden on the Administration to have found a way to avoid this worst case scenario we find ourselves in now. It was foreseeable so maybe the UCONN Administrations hands were tied or they exhausted their tool kit. Either way I believe the burden was on the Administration to make sure this scenario was avoided at all costs.
I look at this now as simply the cost of the decision. The character assassination of K.O. doesn't get us anywhere and distracts from the UCONN Administration's role in all of this; there responsibility in this and I'm simply not letting them off the hook. The burden is still on them to get this behind the University so we can move on.
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There's no jury in an arbitration proceeding.
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Clearly you didn't watch any games from his last two seasons as coach!
Sure, Hurley was a great bet given the tools at UCONN's disposal however we are all paying the cost so that is what I'm referring to. UCONN had other options early on even the year or two before firing K.O. I've always and continue to put the burden on UCONN to clean up this up this mess. It's convenient for people to character assassinate K.O. when UCONN and K.O. implemented nuclear options however the burden remains on our beloved university to clean this up.
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Presume less, e.g., "Everyone on the board is moving forward as if everything is final". This may be your opinion, but referencing "everyone" and "everything is final" are each clearly absolute statements. Instead, most reasonable adults with much life and professional experience are less likely to foolishly believe "everything is final".
This was a hurt wounded man fighting for his personal and professional life. He was navigating the backstabbing of the snake Glenn Miller among others, fighting for his marriage and trying to manage his damaged relationship with Calhoun. K.O. has lost a lot on all fronts. He's fighting now; that is the K.O. we know. I can care less if he wins or not but he is fighting and that what he is supposed to do.
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It was a bad bet if the assumption was made that K.O. would not go nuclear right back at UCONN and if they expected him to lay down and go off into the sunset with his tail between his legs. That is what I'm referring to. Sure if UCONN ultimately prevails without having to pay anything from the broken contract or additional sanctions and impact to our recruiting classes then sure I'll agree with you it was a bet worth taking.
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I was just making a joke about who KO might sue next given he's now battling on 2-3 fronts (vs UConn, vs NCAA, vs Miller). No other commentary intended.
But I'm on board with the method that UConn has chosen. I wish KO had accepted some money and went away, but per the vague contract he signed, he's not owed a dime. You appear to be on the other side of the fence from me. What's your take?
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He was an idiot for not taking the 2.5M offer. That is what other train wreck coaches do. They take the settlement and resign. Then he pulled the race card and threw Calhoun under the bus. No matter how much you say it or he says it, he is not a victim. He is a fool with more ego than wisdom. He is only a victim of his own poor judgement. UConn has made the right moves the whole time. Ollie has responded with one boneheaded decision after another, effectively burning his own life to the ground.
“Backstabbing of the snake?” You know Kevin Ollie fired Glen Miller unceremoniously just before his pension kicked in right?
To hire someone who is a horrible coach and an average at best recruiter...
Maybe so but we will see how this plays out. I've always and will continue to put the burden on the administration to get this cleaned up and resolved. This was foreseeable and could have been avoided even going back a year or so prior to his firing. There are people that get paid at UCONN to make sure the University doesn't end up in the position they are in now. Sure they've made some steps in the right direction to right the ship but they need to get this resolved. The burden is on them to do so.
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What should they have done a year before he got fired?
I'm sure he had his reasons. If you were running an organization and you found out that your right hand man, VP etc. was undermining what you were trying to do behind your back then what would you do? How would you handle that situation? How does Glenn the snake Miller not have any responsibility in his firing based on his actions of undermining the head coach of the UCONN basketball program? Does K.O. sit there and say..."Oh...that is O.K. I'll roll with this until he get's his pension because that is the right thing to do". I'm sure whatever he found out Glenn was doing was irreconcilable to their relationship and I'm sure Glenn knows this. It's a tough deal but how would you handle that kind of scenario?
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How closely related to KO are you? Direct relative or through marriage?
They did not have to renew or extend his contract in the first place. They could have fired him a year or so prior with the player defections for performance. There is no dispute about the need for the University to move on. It's more about the process and how it was done. The University has to take some responsibility in all of this and why we are here. The Hurley move was a good one however one with significant costs however maybe not as costly as passing on firing K.O. This has yet to be determined. The bottom line for me is that I place the burden on the UCONN Administration to get this cleaned up and resolved. I don't care how they get it done. Once you go Nuclear everything is on the table.
Lol what did KO tell you Glenn was doing?
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IIRC from some filing, allegation, related news report, etc., wasn't Miller 3 years away from potentially collecting a pension?
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