Ollie Discrimination Lawsuit

[BlueMAB]

"
a new spin maybe , "he said, she said"

No. It's literally a new development. An unsurprising one, but a new one.

Again, if you don't want to talk about it.

Why.
Are.
You.
Here?

 

[Jaker]

Has your life been so sheltered that you've never heard of the "court of public opinion"?

lol

 

[BlueDogs]

Disgraceful. KO was beloved until he screwed it up. I marvel how the those who supported, nurtured and gave him the keys to a great program, are now racists. Total unethical scum-bag.

 

[Purple Stein]

Holy gypsum we need a downvote button.

 

[superjohn]

Seriously, why are these threads still being created and posted??

Because this is a UConn basketball forum, did you get lost?

 

[UCDaveD]

*George Bluth* I have the worst bleeping attorneys

 

[Huskybass]

exactly, it's on espn, does it really need to be constantly regurgitated here with nothing factual added??

It gives us something entertaining to fight about between games. So there's that.

 

[Deadrody]

Gotta remember, very few of us wouldn’t do whatever it took to get those millions. It is a bad situation for KO. It isn’t easy to walk away from all that money. I am sure KO thinks he did a good job, even if we don’t. He also won a national title, that warrants some respect. I’d like them to settle and give him some money, but that’s just one man’s opinion.

Here's what you do to get those millions:
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YOUR F'in JOB

 

[Sportsfan71]

Sad just plain sad! It will extremely hard to come back from this one now. Years would have passed, he would have been welcomed back, but after this, not sure how you come back.. My guess is this was the final nail in Ollie’s coffin

 

[Deadrody]

And LOL at the idea he should keep Calhoun out if it. Calhoun employs the rat. But Ollie is supposed to play nice.

Ah, this BS again. Glenn Miller is a "rat" for reporting NCAA violations that he was CONTRACTUALLY and ETHICALLY required to report. Unreal.

 

[whaler11]

Ah, this BS again. Glenn Miller is a "rat" for reporting NCAA violations that he was CONTRACTUALLY and ETHICALLY required to report. Unreal.

Yes thank God for people like Glenn Miller. Ray Allen might have been on a speaker phone - a true ethical dilemma.

So if Glenn Miller is such an ethical standard why didn’t he take any of Calhoun’s violations to the NCAA?

Now please stop being an IDIOT.

 

[Deadrody]

Ah, I do love the media. Fact is, they likely would have little, if ANY reaction to it since it has just about zero effect on them in reality.

But let the media stick a microphone and camera in your face and what used to have no effect on your life suddenly does.

In all practical matters, how these guys react to something that is far removed from their lives is not news worthy in any way. But that certainly isn't going to stop SOME GUY from asking them or publically speculating that someone else should ask if he doesn't.

 

[Huskybass]

Sad just plain sad! It will extremely hard to come back from this one now. Years would have passed, he would have been welcomed back, but after this, not sure how you come back.. My guess is this was the final nail in Ollie’s coffin

I dont think anyone would have ever guessed that the Ollie era would go this badly. It led to us getting Coach Hurley, so its not awful long term, but just sad how ugly it has gotten. There was nothing remotely racial that transpired, but allegations along these lines are likely to create some settlement value on an otherwise very weak case. Perhaps both sides will see the value in a swift, reasonable resolution. One can hope anyway.

 

[Deadrody]

Wasn’t Miller already gone when he went rat?

I’m not so much defending Ollie - this is just what happens to a broke athletic department.

Everywhere else they just pay him to go away - hell they paid DIACO to go away.

Calhoun got away with worse and Diaco got paid.

Ollie they used a rat to try to fire him with cause - we know it’s because they have no money - but the white guys got treated differently - debating that just shows a bias.

Good lord, what a bunch of malarkey. Did Diaco violate NCAA rules ? If not, then the two situations are different. Did Calhoun have specific "zero tolerance" language in his contract about NCAA violations ? If not, then the two situations are different.

I mean, seriously, this is just idiotic, frankly. UConn didn't have anything by which to fire Diaco FOR CAUSE. That's the difference. Oh, and he's white. Irrelevant.

Calhoun was a hall of fame coach with 50 years of coaching success and three (and a half) national championships. No, they were not going to fire THAT GUY for NCAA violations that, regardless of the narrative of how severe they were, were under his purview, but not actually committed BY Calhoun himself. The violations under Ollie were, in some cases, committed BY Kevin Ollie himself, and then he turned around and lied to the NCAA about it.

Knowing that there are easily understood distinctions between cases precludes claiming, speciously, that the difference must be race. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

Pretending it isn't is intellectually dishonest, and that's being generous.

 

[whaler11]

Good lord, what a bunch of malarkey. Did Diaco violate NCAA rules ? If not, then the two situations are different. Did Calhoun have specific "zero tolerance" language in his contract about NCAA violations ? If not, then the two situations are different.
I mean, seriously, this is just idiotic, frankly. UConn didn't have anything by which to fire Diaco FOR CAUSE. That's the difference. Oh, and he's white. Irrelevant.

Calhoun was a hall of fame coach with 50 years of coaching success and three (and a half) national championships. No, they were not going to fire THAT GUY for NCAA violations that, regardless of the narrative of how severe they were, were under his purview, but not actually committed BY Calhoun himself. The violations under Ollie were, in some cases, committed BY Kevin Ollie himself, and then he turned around and lied to the NCAA about it.

Knowing that there are known distinctions between cases precludes claiming, speciously, that the difference must be race. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

Pretending it isn't is intellectually dishonest, and that's being generous.

Of course Diaco violated some rule - there are a billion and they get violated accidentally every day.


So you admit that Calhoun violated NCAA rules, but for some reason you support Glenn ‘Rat’ Miller going to the NCAA against Ollie but not Calhoun? And then at the end you have the nerve to accuse anyone of being intellectually dishonest.

I have no idea if Ollie was discriminated against - I do know he was treated differently than Calhoun with respect to violations. I know that Diaco WAS WORSE THAN OLLIE and left with 5 million without any investigation into possible violations (that we are aware of).

If you want to support the rat because he helps your cause go for it - but do not try and claim some bogus moral superiority.

How deluded does one need to be to defend Calhoun’s violations while playing up a Ray Allen phone call? 99% of this board would have creamed their pants if they knew Ollie used Allen to recruit. Now they want it to be Mike Leach locking kids with concussions in sheds.

 

[Deadrody]

I remember the 60's and 70's when people said things like "there's some bad ones that spoil for everyone"....Somehow thought we were past that. And then people wonder why there actually is a race card.

Just stop.

Recognizing that "playing the race card" actually heightens the sense of risk that some generic entity might consider when making hiring decisions IS NOT the same as claiming that there is actually any truth or merit to the notion that said entity should not hire someone based on their race.

 

[Madmannsucks]

Just stop.

Recognizing that playing the race card actually heightens the sense of risk that some generic entity might consider when making hiring decisions IS NOT the same as claiming that there is actually any truth or merit to the notion that said entity should not hire someone based on their race.

Sorry, a bunch of white guys calling out the race card does not work for me. Again, that is exactly why we have and need a race card.

 

[KingAG]

Good lord, what a bunch of malarkey. Did Diaco violate NCAA rules ? If not, then the two situations are different. Did Calhoun have specific "zero tolerance" language in his contract about NCAA violations ? If not, then the two situations are different.

I mean, seriously, this is just idiotic, frankly. UConn didn't have anything by which to fire Diaco FOR CAUSE. That's the difference. Oh, and he's white. Irrelevant.

Calhoun was a hall of fame coach with 50 years of coaching success and three (and a half) national championships. No, they were not going to fire THAT GUY for NCAA violations that, regardless of the narrative of how severe they were, were under his purview, but not actually committed BY Calhoun himself. The violations under Ollie were, in some cases, committed BY Kevin Ollie himself, and then he turned around and lied to the NCAA about it.

Knowing that there are known distinctions between cases precludes claiming, speciously, that the difference must be race. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

Pretending it isn't is intellectually dishonest, and that's being generous.

Ethered

 

[joober jones]

This is pretty much the saddest way this whole thing could have ended. I don't know KO's legal team, but I imagine any one of us could pluck a better one out of an ant farm.

 

[Deadrody]

Yes thank God for people like Glenn Miller. Ray Allen might have been on a speaker phone - a true ethical dilemma.

So if Glenn Miller is such an ethical standard why didn’t he take any of Calhoun’s violations to the NCAA?

Now please stop being an IDIOT.

Yes, if Glenn Miller knew about violations under Calhoun, he SHOULD have reported them. As you say, "everybody does it". The difference is, when you violate the rules, you are supposed to SELF report them. That's the ethical thing to do and based on history and NCAA rules, that's how you minimize the impact of rules violations because - as you say - everyone does it. Any notion that rules violations, committed in the vicinity of 18-21 year olds, are not going to be discovered is both naïve and stupid.

I don't really give a damn about Miller's motivation for reporting them. As I said the last time this ridiculous argument came up, you follow the rules in life. Period. And when you don't, it's not Glenn Miller's fault for "being a rat" that it comes back on you for breaking the rules. That's a complete cop out.

Kevin Ollie broke the rules. Then he lied about it to UConn. Then he lied about it to the NCAA. Those facts realistically have ZERO to do with Glenn Miller.

 

[Deadrody]

Sorry, a bunch of white guys calling out the race card does not work for me. Again, that is exactly why we have and need a race card.

Yeah, ok, great.

 

[whaler11]

Yes, if Glenn Miller knew about violations under Calhoun, he SHOULD have reported them. As you say, "everybody does it". The difference is, when you violate the rules, you are supposed to SELF report them. I don't really give a damn about Miller's motivation for reporting them. As I said the last time this ridiculous argument came up, you follow the rules in life. Period. And when you don't, it's not Glenn Miller's fault for "being a rat" that it comes back on you for breaking the rules. That's a complete cop out.

Kevin Ollie broke the rules. Then he lied about it to UConn. Then he lied about it to the NCAA. Those facts realistically have ZERO to do with Glenn Miller.

I have to admit I’m having fun mocking you - there is zero logical sense in your arguments.

Let’s see... three posts ago you said of course UConn didn’t fire Calhoun for breaking the rules because he won. Now you are claiming that you must follow the rules in life.

If the rat is on your side and you want to cheer for him - go for it. Just stop pretending your position has even a shread of logic.

Why can’t people just admit they want UConn to beat Ollie and they don’t care how they do it? It’s bizarre that the ones who actually won’t admit this position are the most offended by Ollie trying to beat UConn by any means.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[svetbird]

so sad to see how things have turned out . Loved him and was so glad he didn't quit for the NBA coaching ranks. Now he is destroying his legacy and hurting his chances for future work, and his legacy at the school who always loved him.

 

[whaler11]

The most dishonest argument against Ollie is that it matters that he lied. If you are going to play the pedantic contact angle - the fact he lied doesn’t matter at all. Yet it is constantly harped on by our most pedantic.

 

[smoothcriminal]

Supported KO up until this point. Get your mad you were fired - suing because you are black is worse and without less base than the suit of injustice in firing him without pay

 

[svetbird]

Everything Kevin Ollie did his final two years was irrelevant. He nearly made the program irrelevant and would have if they kept him on for the remainder of the contract. The fact that he violated NCAA rules, got caught, then lied about it is actually a blessing in disguise.

This is the main point as far as I an tell. I feel for KO. We clearly wanted out of his bad contract and found a loophole to do it. Problem for him is that he violated his contract. He gave us an excuse to fire him and we took it. we never wanted to be rid of JC so his violations (even if they were serious enough to terminate his contract) were not acted on. It is the schools choice if they want to terminate. JC was a legend, KO was not. I wish we would have settled and given him something for the great job he did getting us a national championship but I don't see where he has a case.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

This is the main point as far as I an tell. I feel for KO. We clearly wanted out of his bad contract and found a loophole to do it. Problem for him is that he violated his contract. He gave us an excuse to fire him and we took it. we never wanted to be rid of JC so his violations (even if they were serious enough to terminate his contract) were not acted on. It is the schools choice if they want to terminate. JC was a legend, KO was not. I wish we would have settled and given him something for the great job he did getting us a national championship but I don't see where he has a case.

Total agreement here. The mental gymnastics some here will play to justify the termination for cause are pretty funny though.

I didn't want KO to be the coach for longer than most, but UConn treated him differently than Calhoun. That's where the difference ends in my opinion. Has nothing to do with race. KO was a favorite son at UConn until he stopped giving a damn and got himself run out of town.

 

[Walker11]

Yes, if Glenn Miller knew about violations under Calhoun, he SHOULD have reported them. As you say, "everybody does it". The difference is, when you violate the rules, you are supposed to SELF report them. That's the ethical thing to do and based on history and NCAA rules, that's how you minimize the impact of rules violations because - as you say - everyone does it. Any notion that rules violations, committed in the vicinity of 18-21 year olds, are not going to be discovered is both naïve and stupid.

I don't really give a damn about Miller's motivation for reporting them. As I said the last time this ridiculous argument came up, you follow the rules in life. Period. And when you don't, it's not Glenn Miller's fault for "being a rat" that it comes back on you for breaking the rules. That's a complete cop out.

Kevin Ollie broke the rules. Then he lied about it to UConn. Then he lied about it to the NCAA. Those facts realistically have ZERO to do with Glenn Miller.

This is unbelievably naive. Do you hold it against Tom Moore that he not only failed to report the Nate Miles incident, but was actually implicated in it? Of course not. It was a petty violation that we got railroaded by the NCAA for. KO got railroaded for his petty violations by his own school. KO sucked towards the end and his life was spiraling out of control. Just fire him for that.

 

[Scrutineer]

Sorry, a bunch of white guys calling out the race card does not work for me. Again, that is exactly why we have and need a race card.

Ollie's contract likely had much more stringent language regarding violations as a result of Calhoun's violations. The language would have been just as stringent if Johnny Winter had been hired.