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Following on the twitter thread that someone else posted, there was this gem:

 
The one thing I need to say as an unabashed Eli fan boy, is that it sucks having to drag him through the mud in wake of all of this. Yes, he's making $20M so I don't feel bad for him. Yes, he is a shell of his former self. Yes, they should have drafted Darnold last year.

With that said, what is he supposed to do? It's not his fault the organization is inept and keeps running him out there. Most fans I know were livid when he was benched for Geno Smith - not that he was benched in the first place. Eli isn't pulling the strings in the organization, he's just showing up and doing what he can at this point in his career.

I just hope as a long time Giant fan, that they release him before the roster bonus kicks in and hope he can latch on somewhere else, because as bad as its been, its going to get a lot more ugly.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
The one thing I need to say as an unabashed Eli fan boy, is that it sucks having to drag him through the mud in wake of all of this. Yes, he's making $20M so I don't feel bad for him. Yes, he is a shell of his former self. Yes, they should have drafted Darnold last year.

With that said, what is he supposed to do? It's not his fault the organization is inept and keeps running him out there. Most fans I know were livid when he was benched for Geno Smith - not that he was benched in the first place. Eli isn't pulling the strings in the organization, he's just showing up and doing what he can at this point in his career.

I just hope as a long time Giant fan, that they release him before the roster bonus kicks in and hope he can latch on somewhere else, because as bad as its been, its going to get a lot more ugly.
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Well said CHB, ;)
 
tcf15 said:
Until Eli Manning dies apparently
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I'm really interested to see what the roster looks like in August lol this is a Spartacus-show. Hopefully Lock is there at 17. I don't want Daniel Jones or Rosen
 
navery12 said:
The market isn't killed for OBJ they said. The Giants won't deal him for a terrible return they said.

It's like people haven't been paying attention to the same team
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Hey, compared to what the Steelers got for Brown, the Giants got everybody that went to Dallas in the Herschel Walker trade AND the guys that went to the Sox in the Heathcliff Slocumb trade.

Does that make me feel better? Not really.
 
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hmm, UConn men and the g men both get real, end the circus, and begin their return to excellance around the same time....noice. bye bye p.t. beckham, and
good riddance.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
The one thing I need to say as an unabashed Eli fan boy, is that it sucks having to drag him through the mud in wake of all of this. Yes, he's making $20M so I don't feel bad for him. Yes, he is a shell of his former self. Yes, they should have drafted Darnold last year.

With that said, what is he supposed to do? It's not his fault the organization is inept and keeps running him out there. Most fans I know were livid when he was benched for Geno Smith - not that he was benched in the first place. Eli isn't pulling the strings in the organization, he's just showing up and doing what he can at this point in his career.

I just hope as a long time Giant fan, that they release him before the roster bonus kicks in and hope he can latch on somewhere else, because as bad as its been, its going to get a lot more ugly.
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I think Eli's a nice guy, I appreciate the two SBs, and I've defended him when I think he's needed defending, but his feelings are pretty low down on my list of things I care about at this moment.
 
Didn't know Landry and Beckham both played at LSU together

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nomar said:
I think Eli's a nice guy, I appreciate the two SBs, and I've defended him when I think he's needed defending, but his feelings are pretty low down on my list of things I care about at this moment.
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Sorry, let me clarify, I'm not despondent over a professional athletes feelings. I just appreciate his legacy here.

Better?
 
Pmurph678 said:
Problem is the Giants don't agree with you. If they did they wouldn't have gave him the long term deal in the first place. Most of Beckham's craziness was pre-deal.

They didn't suddenly decide he was to much to handle, they were fine with it until they found out they had to rebuild.
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Guys. Don’t be such goobers. This wasn’t Gettleman. This was ownership not being able to handle him. They paid him $90 mil and then Mara had to say “more playing less talking.”

Gettleman didn’t convince Mara to trade Odell. Mara Told Gettleman to trade Odell.

The entire narrative about Gettleman and not getting equal value or bad cap management assumes this is the GM making football decisions.

This was the ownership sick of the player saying he would rather not have this guy on his team anymore.

So, I don’t care what Deangelo Williams or Josh Norman day about Gettleman. This wasn’t his decision.

The maras have always, ALWAYS, been involved in things like this.

It boggles my mind to see smart people in the media try and take a football take on this position.
 
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Ugh...


Seth WalderESPN Analytics
Quite the stat from ESPN Stats & Info and NFL Next Gen Stats: the Giants' two longest passing touchdowns last season in terms of air distance were both thrown by Odell Beckham Jr. - Week 13 vs Bears: 48.9 yards on a 49-yard TD to Russell Shepard - Week 5 at Panthers: 45.0 yards on a 57-yard TD to Saquon Barkley
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Impossible to deal with, per who? The out of touch owner, media, or the GM/HC who have accomplished what exactly? By all accounts he was well liked in the locker room - that's what should really count.

I think OBJ is nuts, but he's a generational talent. To me that's worth dealing with some "media" distractions for the on field play.
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Lol. The owner pays his salary.
 
JohnFSilver said:
Guys. Don’t be such goobers. This wasn’t Gettleman. This was ownership not being able to handle him. They paid him $90 mil and then Mara had to say “more playing less talking.”

Gettleman didn’t convince Mara to trade Odell. Mara Told Gettleman to trade Odell.

The entire narrative about Gettleman and not getting equal value or bad cap management assumes this is the GM making football decisions.

This was the ownership sick of the player saying he would rather not have this guy on his team anymore.

So, I don’t care what Deangelo Williams or Josh Norman day about Gettleman. This wasn’t his decision.

The maras have always, ALWAYS, been involved in things like this.

It boggles my mind to see smart people in the media try and take a football take on this position.
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Mara/Gettleman same page Tisch/Shurmur disagreed. Gettleman brought this to management and won. You can disagree all you want but I’m believing the people in the know unless of course your source is better? And many questioned the hiring of Gettleman because of his history so this isn’t something new many thought the Giants could’ve done a ton better. Now we know that’s true.
 
Exit 4 said:
Because we haven't successfully drafted a guard in 10 years....and because the free agent market sucks for guards and because we want to bolster Barkley's chances to dominate.
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Barkley will be nullified by week 4 unless another field stretcher is brought in that can catch. Mileage is the killer of running backs.
 
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JohnFSilver said:
Guys. Don’t be such goobers. This wasn’t Gettleman. This was ownership not being able to handle him. They paid him $90 mil and then Mara had to say “more playing less talking.”

Gettleman didn’t convince Mara to trade Odell. Mara Told Gettleman to trade Odell.

The entire narrative about Gettleman and not getting equal value or bad cap management assumes this is the GM making football decisions.

This was the ownership sick of the player saying he would rather not have this guy on his team anymore.

So, I don’t care what Deangelo Williams or Josh Norman day about Gettleman. This wasn’t his decision.

The maras have always, ALWAYS, been involved in things like this.

It boggles my mind to see smart people in the media try and take a football take on this position.
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How many star players does Gettleman have to drive away as a GM before he stops getting a pass? We're at at least 4 already, does he need to get to 5?
 
JohnFSilver said:
Guys. Don’t be such goobers. This wasn’t Gettleman. This was ownership not being able to handle him. They paid him $90 mil and then Mara had to say “more playing less talking.”

Gettleman didn’t convince Mara to trade Odell. Mara Told Gettleman to trade Odell.

The entire narrative about Gettleman and not getting equal value or bad cap management assumes this is the GM making football decisions.

This was the ownership sick of the player saying he would rather not have this guy on his team anymore.

So, I don’t care what Deangelo Williams or Josh Norman day about Gettleman. This wasn’t his decision.

The maras have always, ALWAYS, been involved in things like this.

It boggles my mind to see smart people in the media try and take a football take on this position.
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If this is the case, the Giants are more screwed than I thought. An owner messing in personnel decision in professional sports, especially in today's NFL, is a recipe for perennial failure. Exhibit A: the redskins will forever blow until Dan Snider sells, or learns that lesson.

Job as an owner is to put professional football people in place to make all decisions. Sell/promote the team, sign the checks, build stadiums and that's it.
 
intlzncster said:
If this is the case, the Giants are more screwed than I thought. An owner messing in personnel decision in professional sports, especially in today's NFL, is a recipe for perennial failure. Exhibit A: the redskins will forever blow until Dan Snider sells, or learns that lesson.

Job as an owner is to put professional football people in place to make all decisions. Sell/promote the team, sign the checks, build stadiums and that's it.
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It’s a lot more common than you think. At least according to Danny Ainge and Brian Cashman
 
the Q said:
It’s a lot more common than you think. At least according to Danny Ainge and Brian Cashman
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The idea that owners dont touch stuff is unrealistic. I think there are far more owners that get involved in some meaningful level on the big and little pieces of personnel decisions than we are ever clued into. You want to like your own star players and you would prefer they actually liked you too.
 
intlzncster said:
If this is the case, the Giants are more screwed than I thought. An owner messing in personnel decision in professional sports, especially in today's NFL, is a recipe for perennial failure. Exhibit A: the redskins will forever blow until Dan Snider sells, or learns that lesson.

Job as an owner is to put professional football people in place to make all decisions. Sell/promote the team, sign the checks, build stadiums and that's it.
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I get that’s what people think, but no ceo is ever going to act like that. Owners are always involved. And as far as Giants, the Mara’s know football and only started the giants in the 1920s.

Think about how crazy this situation is. After 95 years of football, people are taking the side of a wide receiver over the owner.
 
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Exit 4 said:
The idea that owners dont touch stuff is unrealistic. I think there are far more owners that get involved in some meaningful level on the big and little pieces of personnel decisions than we are ever clued into. You want to like your own star players and you would prefer they actually liked you too.
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It's a weird strategy when you think about it. You're basically trusting your own sports knowledge over guys who you pay millions to because of their expertise.

Owners know as much or less about the game than many on this board. They're great at making money, and that gives you a false sense of confidence on making decisions.

The best owners are generally hands off. If your owner is instructing who to draft, you're dead.


JohnFSilver said:
I get that’s what people think, but no ceo is ever going to act like that. Owners are always involved. And as far as Giants, the Mara’s know football and only started the giants in the 1920s.

Think about how crazy this situation is. After 95 years of football, people are taking the side of a wide receiver over the owner.
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CEOs know a lot about business. And they are running a business. An NFL team is a business as well, but it's totally different. The owner can obviously make money making decisions and what not, but if he is making on the field calls (whether who to play, play calling, drafting, personnel whatever), he's meddling completely outside his expertise.

CEOs are generally put in place because of their skills. Owners buy an established business, that deals in a very specific product, and take the reigns.

It's like a really rich kid who buys and engineering firm and then starts to tell people how to design their product. Maybe it'll work, but the odds say no.
 
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intlzncster said:
It's a weird strategy when you think about it. You're basically trusting your own sports knowledge over guys who you pay millions to because of their expertise.

Owners know as much or less about the game than many on this board. They're great at making money, and that gives you a false sense of confidence on making decisions.

The best owners are generally hands off. If your owner is instructing who to draft, you're dead.




CEOs know a lot about business. And they are running a business. An NFL team is a business as well, but it's totally different. The owner can obviously make money making decisions and what not, but if he is making on the field calls (whether who to play, play calling, drafting, personnel whatever), he's meddling completely outside his expertise.

CEOs are generally put in place because of their skills. Owners buy an established business, that deals in a very specific product, and take the reigns.

It's like a really rich kid who buys and engineering firm and then starts to tell people how to design their product. Maybe it'll work, but the odds say no.
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And then factor in that the Giants actually have two owners and it's probably that much more complicated.
 
mauconnfan said:
Mara/Gettleman same page Tisch/Shurmur disagreed. Gettleman brought this to management and won. You can disagree all you want but I’m believing the people in the know unless of course your source is better? And many questioned the hiring of Gettleman because of his history so this isn’t something new many thought the Giants could’ve done a ton better. Now we know that’s true.
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I don’t have sources. I am just being a message board savage. But, tell me who wrote that and I will tell you if it is bullshit or not. When it was written is an issue too.

Obviously, we all know Tisch family likes the marketing of Odell etc. it’s the Mara’s that are the football people.

Odell is legitimately great. I love the talent. Hard to give that up. But old Giants fans like me have seen them win 4 Super Bowls and plenty of playoff appearances.

People act like Odell was their best talent. I think Barkley is best talent, and best back I saw in college since Barry Sanders. So, that might be just me jumping on the bandwagon.

They had LT and Strahan and plaxico and a young Eli. They have had plenty of superstars.

They will have stars again. Beckham is 5 years left in his career at this level. I think the giants will survive.

Get a QB, a pass rusher and I would like an OT that starts at RT and moves to LT when we cut Solder.
 
intlzncster said:
It's a weird strategy when you think about it. You're basically trusting your own sports knowledge over guys who you pay millions to because of their expertise.

Owners know as much or less about the game than many on this board. They're great at making money, and that gives you a false sense of confidence on making decisions.

The best owners are generally hands off. If your owner is instructing who to draft, you're dead.




CEOs know a lot about business. And they are running a business. An NFL team is a business as well, but it's totally different. The owner can obviously make money making decisions and what not, but if he is making on the field calls (whether who to play, play calling, drafting, personnel whatever), he's meddling completely outside his expertise.

CEOs are generally put in place because of their skills. Owners buy an established business, that deals in a very specific product, and take the reigns.

It's like a really rich kid who buys and engineering firm and then starts to tell people how to design their product. Maybe it'll work, but the odds say no.
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Football isn’t rocket science. I will go to bat with anyone who thinks it is.

Maras are deeply involved in player scouting. Chris Mara is one of their top scouts.

It really isn’t that hard to figure out, learn, watch film. Soap Box: The biggest mirage going to today in college Athletics is the god status of football coaches.

Give me a break. Stop punting on fourth and 1 from the 50. Lol.
 
JohnFSilver said:
Football isn’t rocket science. I will go to bat with anyone who thinks it is.
Maras are deeply involved in player scouting. Chris Mara is one of their top scouts.
It really isn’t that hard to figure out, learn, watch film. Soap Box: The biggest mirage going to today in college Athletics is the god status of football coaches.
Give me a break. Stop punting on fourth and 1 from the 50. Lol.
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Then why bother paying all these people if it's so easy?

Fact is, some guys are better at it than others, and that edge is what it takes to win in the NFL, because the margins are so small.

So your job, as an owner, is to hire the best guy--a guy who's better than you--and let them do their thing.

It's a really weird take to justify owners making personnel decisions ESPECIALLY in the the salary cap era. Figuring out how to manage the cap going forward, while replenishing/stocking piling talent, picks etc, is a science in and of itself.
 
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Can’t believe they are going to pay Eli his roster bonus. They need to release him and take the cap hit this year. Win 2 games and draft Tua or Fromm.
 
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