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Odell to Cleveland

Pmurph678 said:
Giants thought they could win last year that is why they signed him to a long term deal.

They came back to reality last season, realize a rebuild is inevitable, and Odell and his salary weren't going to be a part of it.

I think this is less about off the field issues and more about dumping salary and getting picks on a 2-3 year rebuild.
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They thought they could win with Eli and that makeshift line. That should tell you everything about how insanely stupid they are and that they have no plan.
 
Pmurph678 said:
They traded away Vernon to get the guard, not sure what the net was but I bet he was getting paid pretty well.
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The net is slightly favorable for the Giants, I believe. But a team with a true rebuilding plan wouldn't spend that much money on a guard.
 
Pmurph678 said:
Beckham probably was a pain in the ass, but they could care less if they were a contender, now they are rebuilding and using it as an excuse to dump their best player.

Fan bases don't like seeing their stars get traded away as the team goes full on tank, they're saving some face here.
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Beckham would have been manageable if the Giants had been successful drafting OL the past 5 years. 5 years of busts have meant 5 years of miserable play on offense.

Beckham was poised to become completely unmanageable and so their hand was forced.
 
Waquoit said:
The net is slightly favorable for the Giants, I believe. But a team with a true rebuilding plan wouldn't spend that much money on a guard.
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Unless you think the market for guards is just going to continue to rise
 
Waquoit said:
The net is slightly favorable for the Giants, I believe. But a team with a true rebuilding plan wouldn't spend that much money on a guard.
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Do you believe the Giants are not rebuilding or just doing a bad job at it?
 
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JMick said:
I don't mind getting rid of OBJ. I just think it was handled poorly and that they didn't get a good enough return for him. If that 3rd was a 2nd or if we got a future first instead if peppers and a third, I would've been happier with the trade.
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But Peppers was a first rounder....and is only 23
 
Exit 4 said:
I think Gettleman and ownership became smitten with the idea of Beckham, Engram, Barkley and Sheppard on the field together as a means to salvage the pieces already in place. It failed hard right out of the gate with a 1-7 start resulting in Odell reverting to his usual "me" persona. There was a plan last year and it failed. Now Gettleman has moved to plan B.....blow up the team....which pretty much started with the Eli Apple trade last fall.
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Another bad move as they didn’t even entertain bridgewater
 
Exit 4 said:
He wanted the 49ers or Dallas, but Cleveland would due because its on the upswing. Odell has never said he didn't want to be traded. You have to face up that Odell wanted this....wanted it bad.

He will be 27 in November... and looking at last year's list of top receivers is pretty clear there is a drop off after age 29. Those still productive after 30 is a short list; Edelman, Desean Jackson, Antonio Brown.

I think its 50/50 Beckham is productive after age 30 because he is fragile with a history of hamstring and knee issues...but that does give Cleveland four years.

2018 NFL Receiving | Pro-Football-Reference.com
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He never said he didn't want to be traded, ergo he badly wanted to be traded. Nice logic.
 
Walker11 said:
He never said he didn't want to be traded, ergo he badly wanted to be traded. Nice logic.
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You dont think its odd Odell himself never tried to shutdown the trade rumors? Yeah - he didn't because he wanted it...he was doing what he could do to push it through Jay Glazer.

Odell wants to get to the next level (props to that) and he wasn't going to sit here and wait any longer for the Giants to figure it out. Its pretty damn obvious.
 
Who would want to play with Eli. That guy SUCKS and the entire organization acts like he still living in 2011.
 
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whaler11 said:
Who would want to play with Eli. That guy SUCKS and the entire organization acts like he still living in 2011.
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Yep and thats what this boils down too. OBJ wasn't going to take another year of this.
 
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NJHusky said:
A lot of the reason is the prior GM stockpiling draft picks with trades that Dorsey was able to use
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Sam Hinke method. But still, without the new GM, they wouldn't have made the turnaround. Prior regime was all kinds of inept.
 
Exit 4 said:
I think Gettleman and ownership became smitten with the idea of Beckham, Engram, Barkley and Sheppard on the field together as a means to salvage the pieces already in place. It failed hard right out of the gate with a 1-7 start resulting in Odell reverting to his usual "me" persona. There was a plan last year and it failed. Now Gettleman has moved to plan B.....blow up the team....which pretty much started with the Eli Apple trade last fall.
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Well then they're totally stupid not to see that Eli has been effectively done for a couple years now. If you were paying him 8m, then OK, fine role with it while you develop a guy, but they weren't
 
Tank for Tua
 
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ConnHuskBask said:
Since we can't change the past, I would do the following:
1) Trade the 2nd round pick for Rosen. I pretty much think most young QBs are a toss up, but we need to hitch our wagon to one of them. Sticking with Eli just delays the inevitable.
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What makes everyone thing Arizona is gonna give up on Rosen so easily? Assuming they draft Murray, why not keep both guys on low cap contracts for the time being and see who pans out?

3) Go crazy with the 1829 picks we have and take primarily defensive players.
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Definitely should trade some of those picks for pipeline picks in the coming years. If you are in a multi year rebuild, it gives you more flexibility.

Taking a bunch of guys at one time just gets you into cap problems in the future if a bunch pan out. Too unbalanced imo. Better to stock pile picks every year so you have room to move (and trade).

If you are going to be developing a ton of rookies in one year, might as well have a bunch that are UDF as well.
 
RJScootin said:
A & B was a reaction to them thinking they could win last year. One more ride with Eli.
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Well, then they should have just kept OBJ on what was his current contract and see what happens.
 
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whaler11 said:
fire this idiot
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Maybe Gettleman is throwing misdirection here to throw people off his hunt for a Rosen trade or Haskins with the 6th pick. Afterall, OBJ wasn't signed so he could be traded.


But if we are really becoming a run, run and run team....yikes.
 
JMick said:
If they made this move without the owners, GM and HC on board then we're screwed forever
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Given how he handled his time in Carolina, what about Gettleman makes you think he cares what the coaches think?
 
Exit 4 said:
Because we haven't successfully drafted a guard in 10 years....and because the free agent market sucks for guards and because we want to bolster Barkley's chances to dominate.
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But it's not if they can't draft them successfully. They just flat out haven't drafted any guards at all. 3 in the last 10 yrs (one 7th rd). 4 in the last 15.
 
I think they saw what happened with AB in Pittsburgh and decided they didn't want that hassle going forward.
I would have liked a the earlier 3rd or a 2nd better but with the 4th coming back from the earlier trade it is not a horrible trade.
This is a complete tear down and start over with Barkley the face of the franchise as Eli heads out the door. I would expect Jenkins to be traded this year for a pick for 2020 mid round like a 4th or 5th.
 
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