November: Other NCAAB Games

[DogMania]

The play out of the timeout that scheyer drew up for Flagg was unbelievably bad. Like comically bad. Flagg iso and the rest of the team just run in a circle?!

You mean dribbling to the corner of the court and losing it out of bounds isn't the perfectly drawn out play?

 

[DogMania]

Duke 4/22 from 3, 18%. Flagg 3 turnovers in the game, 2 in the final minute.

And now a missed block out on the FT for Flagg. Tragic

I was happy to see Dook lose, but felt a little bad for Flagg. He made so many good plays for his team but then when it counted most, he made back to back to back mistakes. I think the blame falls mainly on the coach, for putting it all on his freshman star. That type of ending can certainly spark the beginning of a lot of resentment from the rest of the team and a lack of confidence in their coach.

It clearly looked like Cooper was shell shocked after his back to back turnovers where his head was not in the game resulting in him not boxing out for that missed free throw. He was completely under the basket when that ball was coming off the rim.

 

[connVA]

Flagg went full Trajan Langdon at the end of that one. You hate to see it

 

[CTBasketball]

Two biggest possessions of the game and Scheyer runs iso-hero ball for Flagg.

Nice job, a true offensive genius.

 

[ucp990411]

Reading some of these posts you would think Duke has NBA level talent.

 

[ucp990411]

Watching these games makes me appreciate our coaches even more. Our offense actually has tons of movement and passing and is a pleasure to watch. Even my wife who knows next to nothing about basketball has asked how come these teams just stand around and watch their teammate who has the ball while the UConn players are always moving?

 

[RuffRuff]

Testament to Scheyers lack of faith in his guards that he let Flagg handle the set at the top in iso in last couple possessions. Proctor/Foster didn’t even touch the ball. If ever the uncreative play design. He continues to show he’s nothing more than a talent collector, a really good one. If his offense is letting Flagg put it on the floor, you’re gonna see a lot more poking at his dribble strategy by opposing defenses.

Pope is a d&mn good coach. Running that length of the floor inbounds pass was b@llsy but really smart, they probably practice it a ton.

 

[Hunt for 7]

Testament to Scheyers lack of faith in his guards that he let Flagg handle the set at the top in iso in last couple possessions. Proctor/Foster didn’t even touch the ball. If ever the uncreative play design. He continues to show he’s nothing more than a talent collector, a really good one. If his offense is letting Flagg put it on the floor, you’re gonna see a lot more poking at his dribble strategy by opposing defenses.

Pope is a d&mn good coach. Running that length of the floor inbounds pass was b@llsy but really smart, they probably practice it a ton.

Is Scheyer a talent collector or is the brand a talent collector. The ACC is going to have a down year. So they probably will be a high seed but from what I saw he just continues to convince me he will not be the head coach at Duke for more than a few more years.

Confidence is a fragile thing with a Freshman. I understand Flagg may be different but last I checked he was still human. When you are great at something and have always dominated, I would offer that how you deal with adversity when the first time it comes your way is a key part of any great players development.

Does he take a step back or does he level up. Also I am certain the announcer called him Kupp one time last night. Cooper Kupp rolls of the tongue way better than Cooper Flagg.

Scheyer better make the final four this year or it may be shorter than we think. And what’s the deal with the whole team having cramping issues. Did we plant a spy in their nutrition department that is slipping them some weird cocktail pre game.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Testament to Scheyers lack of faith in his guards that he let Flagg handle the set at the top in iso in last couple possessions. Proctor/Foster didn’t even touch the ball. If ever the uncreative play design. He continues to show he’s nothing more than a talent collector, a really good one. If his offense is letting Flagg put it on the floor, you’re gonna see a lot more poking at his dribble strategy by opposing defenses.

Pope is a d&mn good coach. Running that length of the floor inbounds pass was b@llsy but really smart, they probably practice it a ton.

In fairness, Flagg was pretty much getting into the lane and scoring at will all game. I feel like folks are overstating the play call there. As much as I love dumping on Duke….

 

[superjohn]

In fairness, Flagg was pretty much getting into the lane and scoring at will all game. I feel like folks are overstating the play call there. As much as I love dumping on Duke….

They lost because Scheyer took everyone out of the offense and had Flagg and Knueppel in iso the whole second half. They actually played their best with Flagg on the bench with two fouls in the first half.

 

[RuffRuff]

In fairness, Flagg was pretty much getting into the lane and scoring at will all game. I feel like folks are overstating the play call there. As much as I love dumping on Duke….

So you think handing the ball to Flagg at the top and just saying go is good strategy? Not running any offense whatsoever or letting anyone else touch the ball? Letting your freshman 4 go iso from 25 feet out? Especially late when it was clear he was exhausted. At least run a set and get him off a pick.

 

[jibsey]

Having him be the point guard at the end was not good. In a matchup it’s McNeeley and Karaban taking turns guarding him? He’s very long, and can get that midrange shot off.

 

[SellersElbow]

I read that Flagg grew up watching recordings of the mid-80's Celtics and idolizing their legendary ball movement. I can't imagine he was loving the stagnant ISO-heavy style Scheyer had him playing with a lack of upperclassman leadership.

I wonder if he reflects on the fact he could be playing in Hurley and staff's modern offense with Karaban as a mentor.

I don't wish the kid ill will, but I wouldn't mind him having buyer's remorse for choosing the name on the jersey, and passing that insight on to up and coming kids.

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

So you think handing the ball to Flagg at the top and just saying go is good strategy? Not running any offense whatsoever or letting anyone else touch the ball? Letting your freshman 4 go iso from 25 feet out? Especially late when it was clear he was exhausted. At least run a set and get him off a pick.

I mean the kid is suppose to be generationally good. He’s suppose to be able to beat that guy 1 on 1 as a future franchise player.

Jayson Tatum could do that at Duke. Kyrie, Jabari Parker, Zion, hell Austin Rivers. It’s a skill he should have.

Duke tried to run clear out actions so that the help defense couldn’t just sit and watch either. He also got a screen the second possession.

 

[RuffRuff]

I mean the kid is suppose to be generationally good. He’s suppose to be able to beat that guy 1 on 1 as a future franchise player.

Jayson Tatum could do that at Duke. Kyrie, Jabari Parker, Zion, hell Austin Rivers. It’s a skill he should have.

Duke tried to run clear out actions so that the help defense couldn’t just sit and watch either. He also got a screen the second possession.

You also have to read the floor a bit - kid was gassed. In both possessions it almost felt like fatigue lead to the turnovers. The first set was a steal by a help defender. It’s a lot easier to defend anyone in iso, you can clear the floor but if it’s evident an iso help comes. It’s early in the year and he’s 17 playing against men, give the kid some support vs just handing him the ball and expecting magic. Maybe it’s a learning moment for the kid but super lazy play design if you ask me.

Furthermore in big spots, you want the full team feeling like they’re involved for simple culture setting. Is this a Duke team or the Cooper Flagg show? Would Hurley ever run a set in a close game down the stretch where he just hands to the ball to someone and says score?

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

You also have to read the floor a bit - kid was gassed. In both possessions it almost felt like fatigue lead to the turnovers. The first set was a steal by a help defender. It’s a lot easier to defend anyone in iso, you can clear the floor but if it’s evident an iso help comes. It’s early in the year and he’s 17 playing against men, give the kid some support vs just handing him the ball and expecting magic. Maybe it’s a learning moment for the kid but super lazy play design if you ask me.

Furthermore in big spots, you want the full team feeling like they’re involved for simple culture setting. Is this a Duke team or the Cooper Flagg show? Would Hurley ever run a set in a close game down the stretch where he just hands to the ball to someone and says score?

I could see it both ways. Flagg lost the ball before the help guy actually reached in. He kind of gave it to him. Two turnovers in a row is brutal.

It could be fatigue though for sure. Most coaches would live with having the ball in their players best hands though.

Wasn’t much of a playcall for this outside of a switch off a pick and roll. Great players make great plays.



Flagg will want to learn from this later on.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Kansas doesn’t look great, but they’re getting absolutely nothing from Griffen, Harris, Mayo, KJ, or Storr and they’re still winning 25 minutes into the game. They have SO many options

Did anybody shoot well in that building? Mayo put up 20 against UNC. I'm not sure what's going on in Atlanta but shooting was awful for everyone. I do think Michigan State played good defensively, tough, physical team. I think Kansas would look pretty good against Sacred Heart and UNH. Playing good teams this early is always going to produce somewhat ugly results.

 

[RuffRuff]

I could see it both ways. Flagg lost the ball before the help guy actually reached in. He kind of gave it to him. Two turnovers in a row is brutal.

It could be fatigue though for sure. Most coaches would live with having the ball in their players best hands though.

Wasn’t much of a playcall for this outside of a switch off a pick and roll. Great players make great plays.



Flagg will want to learn from this later on.

True but Kemba was a junior PG, used to the ball in his hands. Flagg is a 17 yo PF. I find it weird to put the ball in his hands at the top when you have two older and capable guards that should run action. Do you recall any college game recently where the PF ran iso from top? I get it’s Flagg. Game has come a long way in last 15 years as well in terms of hoops play design. But I get what you’re saying.

Flagg is interesting in that what separates him is his size/length, vertical burst and very high release. If he gets a little space he just goes over you. You could see what UK was focusing on was getting to the ball in his hands before he went up, because once he does it’s over. Other teams will copy that so Scheyer should think about less dribbling and more action for the kid.

 

[JerseyAlum]

Two biggest possessions of the game and Scheyer runs iso-hero ball for Flagg.

Nice job, a true offensive genius.

Don't forget Scheyer leaned on "cramps" being the issue - why blame a player or a coach when you can blame cramps?!?!?

 

[Hungryhusky99]

They lost because Scheyer took everyone out of the offense and had Flagg and Knueppel in iso the whole second half. They actually played their best with Flagg on the bench with two fouls in the first half.

This is crazy, even for you. Flagg had a +14.1 BPM, highest on the team.

 

[connVA]

It’s going to get interesting if (when?) Scheyer drops a couple games to middle-of-the-pack (or worse) ACC teams with that load of talent

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

True but Kemba was a junior PG, used to the ball in his hands. Flagg is a 17 yo PF. I find it weird to put the ball in his hands at the top when you have two older and capable guards that should run action. Do you recall any college game recently where the PF ran iso from top? I get it’s Flagg. Game has come a long way in last 15 years as well in terms of hoops play design. But I get what you’re saying.

Flagg is interesting in that what separates him is his size/length, vertical burst and very high release. If he gets a little space he just goes over you. You could see what UK was focusing on was getting to the ball in his hands before he went up, because once he does it’s over. Other teams will copy that so Scheyer should think about less dribbling and more action for the kid.

I try not to look at recency when comparing players because the talent is just not as good as it used to be in general these days. Which makes me question if the game is actually going in a good direction.

The last great college (offensive) player I’ve personally seen was Cade Cunningham at OSU. That class in general was pretty solid overall. I haven’t seen the Rutgers kids yet (waiting for them to play a big game) but I’m hoping this class brings that feeling back.

I agree Duke may want to post up Flagg more in those kind of situations so he can get it and go instead of take someone from the top. But Tatum and Jabari Parker are comparable 4s who you could trust in an iso at the top (which still had some movement so the defense couldn’t stand still and just watch him ala that Kemba Walker play). Kentucky’s help defenders weren’t able to stand still and look until Flagg was already driving to the rim.

 

[superjohn]

This is crazy, even for you. Flagg had a +14.1 BPM, highest on the team.

And they were -8 with him actually on the court.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

They lost because Scheyer took everyone out of the offense and had Flagg and Knueppel in iso the whole second half. They actually played their best with Flagg on the bench with two fouls in the first half.

So you think handing the ball to Flagg at the top and just saying go is good strategy? Not running any offense whatsoever or letting anyone else touch the ball? Letting your freshman 4 go iso from 25 feet out? Especially late when it was clear he was exhausted. At least run a set and get him off a pick.

Flagg was 8/14 from 2 and drew a bunch of fouls there as well. He was pretty well abusing his defender all night and ISO plays to get into the lane. Was it the most creative play call? No. Do I have an issue with it? No.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I mean the kid is suppose to be generationally good. He’s suppose to be able to beat that guy 1 on 1 as a future franchise player.

Jayson Tatum could do that at Duke. Kyrie, Jabari Parker, Zion, hell Austin Rivers. It’s a skill he should have.

Duke tried to run clear out actions so that the help defense couldn’t just sit and watch either. He also got a screen the second possession.

So he pulled a Trajan Langdon. It is a very Duke thing to do.