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WhereistheDove? said:
In fairness, Flagg was pretty much getting into the lane and scoring at will all game. I feel like folks are overstating the play call there. As much as I love dumping on Duke….
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They lost because Scheyer took everyone out of the offense and had Flagg and Knueppel in iso the whole second half. They actually played their best with Flagg on the bench with two fouls in the first half.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
In fairness, Flagg was pretty much getting into the lane and scoring at will all game. I feel like folks are overstating the play call there. As much as I love dumping on Duke….
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So you think handing the ball to Flagg at the top and just saying go is good strategy? Not running any offense whatsoever or letting anyone else touch the ball? Letting your freshman 4 go iso from 25 feet out? Especially late when it was clear he was exhausted. At least run a set and get him off a pick.
 
Dogammit said:
Scheyer…brings all this talent so two guys can take 40 shots in a game. He doesn’t know how to coach a team, no real system. 12 assists on 28 made baskets…UK with Pope 17/25. Duke 17% on 3s…As far as the ending, Scheyer just puts it in Flaggs hands to go win it for Duke, doesn’t draw up anything to get the ball to the guy in the best position to score….Im happy for Pope, and strangeky enough, somewhat sad for Flagg.
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No takebacks Duke extended him they have to deal with it.
 
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UConnJim said:
Duke had much more talent, but Kentucky was better coached and they played as a team. That said, Duke shot 4-23 from 3.
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I saw most of the 2nd half. I think Foster was 0 fer 10 from outside.
 
Having him be the point guard at the end was not good. In a matchup it’s McNeeley and Karaban taking turns guarding him? He’s very long, and can get that midrange shot off.
 
Only saw highlights, was Flagg well defended? 26/12 is pretty good.
 
With all the transfers in and out of the Duke program recently I wonder if they still get their “Brotherhood” membership card. I would love nothing more than getting to face them in the tournament. I like them even less now that K is gone and loved seeing them get out coached last night. They continue to get top 20 kids one after another and still never live up to expectations.
 
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Watching Kentucky play now for someone who can actually coach is kinda scary. Like Kentucky might actually be a tough out now. Pope is actually a really good coach and will still be able to pull top players, but guys who actually want to play in college too, which is likely better for them in the long run than the Cal scheme.
 
I read that Flagg grew up watching recordings of the mid-80's Celtics and idolizing their legendary ball movement. I can't imagine he was loving the stagnant ISO-heavy style Scheyer had him playing with a lack of upperclassman leadership.

I wonder if he reflects on the fact he could be playing in Hurley and staff's modern offense with Karaban as a mentor.

I don't wish the kid ill will, but I wouldn't mind him having buyer's remorse for choosing the name on the jersey, and passing that insight on to up and coming kids.
 
RuffRuff said:
So you think handing the ball to Flagg at the top and just saying go is good strategy? Not running any offense whatsoever or letting anyone else touch the ball? Letting your freshman 4 go iso from 25 feet out? Especially late when it was clear he was exhausted. At least run a set and get him off a pick.
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I mean the kid is suppose to be generationally good. He’s suppose to be able to beat that guy 1 on 1 as a future franchise player.

Jayson Tatum could do that at Duke. Kyrie, Jabari Parker, Zion, hell Austin Rivers. It’s a skill he should have.

Duke tried to run clear out actions so that the help defense couldn’t just sit and watch either. He also got a screen the second possession.

 
Kentucky is largely a team of transfers. Their big recruiting class won't hit until next season. Pretty sad that Duke's 5* lineup lost to them. Especially blowing a good sized lead. Their tears taste glorious. Now that Cal is gone, Duke and Arkansas are the schools I hate.
 
imno1 said:
This Duke team will play a lot better as the season progresses.
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still not sold scheyer has much of a system than throw talent on the floor and hope it works...but it did look like a team of freshmen trying to make it work and being, well, freshmen.

The end of the game was unconscionable. but agree 100% they will get better.r
 
Per KenPom, Kentucky is a top-5 team in terms of D1 experience: 3.23 years on average versus 1.89 for Duke (156th nationally). I'm not surprised an older team was able to grind out a tough win against a younger, albeit way more talented, group this early in the season.

(For reference, we have 1.72 avg. years of experience, which ranks 189. The D1 average 1.75.)
 
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Flagg could be on the back to back National Champ Huskies right now with a real shot at making true history for the 3peat. He could have stayed local, followed in the footsteps of Donovan and essentially be the number 1 on the number 1 team. Just think about the storylines and love he could have got stepping into a championship program.

He chose the hype of ESPN and Jim Nantz by choosing Duke, a lesser school in the world of basketball excellence. They barely run an offense and already show they are going to rely on him taking over games night in and out to survive. It's a joke, the kid made a foolish decision.

I hope we play them, Danny will run circles around Scheyer, and Flagg will end up with one nice elite eight run in college before heading to the NBA
 
NewBlood said:
Flagg could be on the back to back National Champ Huskies right now with a real shot at making true history for the 3peat. He could have stayed local, followed in the footsteps of Donovan and essentially be the number 1 on the number 1 team. Just think about the storylines and love he could have got stepping into a championship program.

He chose the hype of ESPN and Jim Nantz by choosing Duke, a lesser school in the world of basketball excellence. They barely run an offense and already show they are going to rely on him taking over games night in and out to survive. It's a joke, the kid made a foolish decision.

I hope we play them, Danny will run circles around Scheyer, and Flagg will end up with one nice elite eight run in college before heading to the NBA
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Who guards him?
 
With Sceyer at the helm, Duke will have a hard time winning the depleted ACC, never mind a NC.
This team has a 2nd weekend ceiling, if it gets a few cupcakes during the 1st rounds,
The coach is weak, the fans are idiots and the program is not what it used to be - my God, isn't life beautiful.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
I mean the kid is suppose to be generationally good. He’s suppose to be able to beat that guy 1 on 1 as a future franchise player.

Jayson Tatum could do that at Duke. Kyrie, Jabari Parker, Zion, hell Austin Rivers. It’s a skill he should have.

Duke tried to run clear out actions so that the help defense couldn’t just sit and watch either. He also got a screen the second possession.

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You also have to read the floor a bit - kid was gassed. In both possessions it almost felt like fatigue lead to the turnovers. The first set was a steal by a help defender. It’s a lot easier to defend anyone in iso, you can clear the floor but if it’s evident an iso help comes. It’s early in the year and he’s 17 playing against men, give the kid some support vs just handing him the ball and expecting magic. Maybe it’s a learning moment for the kid but super lazy play design if you ask me.

Furthermore in big spots, you want the full team feeling like they’re involved for simple culture setting. Is this a Duke team or the Cooper Flagg show? Would Hurley ever run a set in a close game down the stretch where he just hands to the ball to someone and says score?
 
PlayItLeo said:
Per KenPom, Kentucky is a top-5 team in terms of D1 experience: 3.23 years on average versus 1.89 for Duke (156th nationally). I'm not surprised an older team was able to grind out a tough win against a younger, albeit way more talented, group this early in the season.

(For reference, we have 1.72 avg. years of experience, which ranks 189. The D1 average 1.75.)
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The KenPom experience numbers can be deceiving. Duke started and most of the minutes were played by 3 Freshman, 1 Sophomore and 1 Junior, average ~0.6.
 
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RuffRuff said:
You also have to read the floor a bit - kid was gassed. In both possessions it almost felt like fatigue lead to the turnovers. The first set was a steal by a help defender. It’s a lot easier to defend anyone in iso, you can clear the floor but if it’s evident an iso help comes. It’s early in the year and he’s 17 playing against men, give the kid some support vs just handing him the ball and expecting magic. Maybe it’s a learning moment for the kid but super lazy play design if you ask me.

Furthermore in big spots, you want the full team feeling like they’re involved for simple culture setting. Is this a Duke team or the Cooper Flagg show? Would Hurley ever run a set in a close game down the stretch where he just hands to the ball to someone and says score?
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I could see it both ways. Flagg lost the ball before the help guy actually reached in. He kind of gave it to him. Two turnovers in a row is brutal.

It could be fatigue though for sure. Most coaches would live with having the ball in their players best hands though.

Wasn’t much of a playcall for this outside of a switch off a pick and roll. Great players make great plays.



Flagg will want to learn from this later on.
 
REB1094 said:
Kansas doesn’t look great, but they’re getting absolutely nothing from Griffen, Harris, Mayo, KJ, or Storr and they’re still winning 25 minutes into the game. They have SO many options
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Did anybody shoot well in that building? Mayo put up 20 against UNC. I'm not sure what's going on in Atlanta but shooting was awful for everyone. I do think Michigan State played good defensively, tough, physical team. I think Kansas would look pretty good against Sacred Heart and UNH. Playing good teams this early is always going to produce somewhat ugly results.
 
Kneuppel and Proctor played 36+ minutes, and Flagg would have had similar minutes w/o 2 fouls in the 1st half. Maluach played 23 minutes but probably would have been near 30 if not for cramping issues. It makes me appreciate UConn's depth. Maybe Duke's (Flagg's) collapse in the 2nd half was due to fatigue. I see the lack of minutes for Duke's bench to be a coaching issue. Scheyer is too dependent on the top talent to compete vs having a system in place to maximize success.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
I could see it both ways. Flagg lost the ball before the help guy actually reached in. He kind of gave it to him. Two turnovers in a row is brutal.

It could be fatigue though for sure. Most coaches would live with having the ball in their players best hands though.

Wasn’t much of a playcall for this outside of a switch off a pick and roll. Great players make great plays.



Flagg will want to learn from this later on.
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True but Kemba was a junior PG, used to the ball in his hands. Flagg is a 17 yo PF. I find it weird to put the ball in his hands at the top when you have two older and capable guards that should run action. Do you recall any college game recently where the PF ran iso from top? I get it’s Flagg. Game has come a long way in last 15 years as well in terms of hoops play design. But I get what you’re saying.

Flagg is interesting in that what separates him is his size/length, vertical burst and very high release. If he gets a little space he just goes over you. You could see what UK was focusing on was getting to the ball in his hands before he went up, because once he does it’s over. Other teams will copy that so Scheyer should think about less dribbling and more action for the kid.
 
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CTBasketball said:
Two biggest possessions of the game and Scheyer runs iso-hero ball for Flagg.

Nice job, a true offensive genius.
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Don't forget Scheyer leaned on "cramps" being the issue - why blame a player or a coach when you can blame cramps?!?!?
 
superjohn said:
They lost because Scheyer took everyone out of the offense and had Flagg and Knueppel in iso the whole second half. They actually played their best with Flagg on the bench with two fouls in the first half.
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This is crazy, even for you. Flagg had a +14.1 BPM, highest on the team.
 
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