Not Developing or Not Identifying Talent?

[nelsonmuntz]

You already tried to show the numbers to support your point about transfers and were immediately called out for being wrong. Calhoun's formula would not work in today's game. You can hope all you want for the same formula but it's time to move on. Adapt or die, Hurley has adapted. You've shown you won't which is why you're going to continue to be a miserable person on this board for the next decade while we win with transfers

Calhoun wouldn't have been caught with his pants down last year when it came to transfers, so there is that.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

If we locked you and spliffy in a room it would be similar to bringing matter and antimatter together.

He eats shoots and leaves.
He eats shoots, and leaves.
He eats, shoots, and leaves.

Never underestimate the value of commas.

Awesome book.

Where else does a story lead with a panda shooting up a restaurant.

 

[Deleted at users request]

You already tried to show the numbers to support your point about transfers and were immediately called out for being wrong. Calhoun's formula would not work in today's game. You can hope all you want for the same formula but it's time to move on. Adapt or die, Hurley has adapted. You've shown you won't which is why you're going to continue to be a miserable person on this board for the next decade while we win with transfers

also if we win, the last thing I will be is miserable. I’m pissed off at the year we had though so yeah it’ll be a long off-season from me. I’m not rooting against Hurley. I want him and us to do well. I just don’t agree with how he’s handled his roster so far and it’s frustrating because it’s a damn good roster.

 

[navery12]

Calhoun wouldn't have been caught with his pants down last year when it came to transfers, so there is that.

Of course not, he would have brought in multiple transfer guards and we would have been a Final Four team. That's exactly my point, he would have adapted much faster than Hurley

 

[Deleted at users request]

Of course not, he would have brought in multiple transfer guards and we would have been a Final Four team. That's exactly my point, he would have adapted much faster than Hurley

Yeah you clearly didn’t watch the Calhoun era.

I’ll tell you a story bud.

In 2006-2007 we went 17-14. Played nothing but a bunch of freshman and sophomores and it was a tough year to watch. Missed the tournament. Could’ve brought in transfers then to win games immediately if we wanted to.

That same team went on to play in the Final Four 2 years later without a key player that could’ve won us a championship. Everything doesn’t always have to be win now. Development matters.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

We've had the "best transfer" discussion a few times. Prior to Cole and Martin, my unofficial score keeping has Selvie and Q Hardnett tied for best transfer ever. But Martin and Cole top those guys in my opinion.

You forgot ,Purvis Kromah , Miller , and Sterling Gibbs . Kromah was key to NC
Purvis Miller and Gibbs to an AAC championship and the NCAA 2nd round. Except for the seed/ draw that was a sweet 16 team. Kansas the 1 and Nova (NC ) were also in our bracket.
I believe Gibbs and Purvis kept us in the game in our lose to Kansas in the round of 32. Gibbs was in the 20’s and Purvis close
Not a knock on Cole and Martin but reality is they won nothing.
Terry Larrier except for injury was probably the most talented transfer ever.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

You lost me at writing errors )

My post was a grab bag.

At this point there are diminishing returns on substantive contributions. Where people have claimed "failure," they've largely used that broader term for a limited dimension in which Dan Hurley has 'failed.'

Examples:

He has failed to meet the poster's expectations or cherished desires.

He has failed to adhere to models from the past, or to adapt quickly enough to changes.

He has failed to perform as well as some of the most elite programs, or UConn's most successful coach ever.

He has failed to retain 'enough' players, or develop them 'enough,' or choose them 'well enough.'

Lots of people want to weigh in and agree and disagree, without or without data.

I just wanted to score a Dislike from @CheshireCat and see a third-person self-reference from a grin without a cat.

 

[navery12]

Yeah you clearly didn’t watch the Calhoun era.

I’ll tell you a story bud.

In 2006-2007 we went 17-14. Played nothing but a bunch of freshman and sophomores and it was a tough year to watch. Missed the tournament. Could’ve brought in transfers then to win games immediately if we wanted to.

That same team went on to play in the Final Four 2 years later without a key player that could’ve won us a championship. Everything doesn’t always have to be win now. Development matters.

Yeah I remember why I had you on ignore now, it's like arguing with a set of moving goalposts. I'll fix that now

 

[Deleted at users request]

Ridiculous.

What is ridiculous. Why are you all so offended by facts? He got ejected in the first half. To credit that win to Hurley just wouldn’t be true.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

You guys touting CV development are forgetting . That until his senior tear he was forced to play the three on undermanned teams his Freshman,Sophomore, and Junior year .
As a lightly regarded freshman he was the only 2-3 sub . the 3rd leading scorer , 9-3.5 1.5 . 70% from the FT line Not bad for 150 ranked guy , Those aren’t shabby numbers for a freshman.
He also shot 36% from the three but he was playing with a legitimate PG who could make you better.
His senior year with Boat plus a more talented cast he was able to play the 2.
His progression was his handle improvement and development of getting off his own shot .
Confidence was never sn issue other than Khalid he might of been the most confident player I can remember.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

You are welcome to disagree about whether Sid Wilson should be included as Hurley's responsiblity, but it is a bit of an overreaction to act like a few words in one post broke the Internet. There have been quite a few over-the-top ad hominem attacks on other posters in this thread in defense of Hurley.

neat.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Yeah you clearly didn’t watch the Calhoun era.

I’ll tell you a story bud.

In 2006-2007 we went 17-14. Played nothing but a bunch of freshman and sophomores and it was a tough year to watch. Missed the tournament. Could’ve brought in transfers then to win games immediately if we wanted to.

That same team went on to play in the Final Four 2 years later without a key player that could’ve won us a championship. Everything doesn’t always have to be win now. Development matters.

That's a horrendous comparison. Essentially the entire roster turned over from 05-06 to 06-07 and it was restocked with one of the top recruiting classes in America, not to mention the debut of AJ Price.

Curious who the 5 to 7 transfers you thought they would bring in for the 06-07 season that would be better than that?

Further, how does this relate at all to 21-22 UConn?

 

[SeattleHoop]

Not it’s not. We spent resources recruiting them only for them not to do anything for us and have to hit the portal for replacements. So they were misses by Hurley. Failures. I already showed the numbers that healthy blue blood programs don’t deal with this many transfer and misses. If they do, it’s because they recruit well enough where they don’t beat out other recruits.

What I’m saying by being a newer fan you don’t understand just how well Calhoun’s formula worked. Which is most’s problem with Hurley. Calhoun was as honest, strict, and as much of an balloon knot as they come. But he believed in his players, found a way to make them useful to give them minutes, and developed the living hell out of them. And we never had to conform to the rest of college hoops. I’d personally like our culture to stay that way.

Been a UConn fan since 98’ and your disdain towards Hurley is starting to look like disdain toward the program.

The way you are putting him down and highlighting only negatives is getting tiresome. You aren’t coming off as a UConn fan to me.

There is a long way to go until next season and there are a lot of reasons to be optimistic with the core we have returning.

The sky isn’t falling and we have a lot scorers and playmakers on our team next year and we aren’t finished recruiting yet

 

[jimva]

Why "make up" things to whine about when you want the program that you root for to succeed? Generally the "whine" is due to discontent with something.
My somethings are well noted on this board.

To Hurley's credit, I guess, many believe he discovered Whaley, after Akok went down. Few will recall that KO regularly played Whaley. I will agree that Whaley shined under Dan Hurley. Bouk was league-bound no matter where he ended up and Hawkins was ready upon arrival.

He gave up on Sid, who had athleticism, size and length, to be of some benefit to the program.

Stevie Wonder would have eventually played Bouk.

He brought in Diggins, CFJr, Gaffney, J. Brown, and Akok all gone. Those are his guys and they all left.

Springs is in his 6th year I think of the developmental plan and has not played scratch and Samson, a "wall guy" got no run last year.

Clearly Hurley is not a top notch X and O guy and does he exude coolness on the sideline, quite the opposite, picture whiny, immature man slowly pissing off the refs at every ridiculous gesture and that damn "bitter beer barf" face. Helpful. Thank God for Kimani at the helm for the Nova home game or who knows what would have happened.

And as everyone on this board knows, and as I predicted last year, he's a year late engaging in the portal. A lack of talent, and more specifically the inability to replace Bouk's scoring threat through the portal was bound to bite us in axx, and it did. His holier than thou culture approach was full of shix and proved to be the case as last year we beat the teams we were supposed to beat and lost to anyone remotely competitive. Most importantly, we flamed like mitches in the 1st round again.

So, excuse me if I don't want to hear anything from Dan Hurley. Spare me the platitudes on his new formula for development and roster construction, or how he has awakened to the realities of portal world, or how he is somehow more virtuous or truthful to his players than other coaches. He's being painfully truthful to guys HE recruited, you owe them no less. Duh. He's slow to trends on and off the court, does not seem to have the facile mind to adjust on the fly ( see St. Johns at home two years ago).

He can't hide. He's at UConn, he's at a powerhouse and his failings are on a large stage. He can get it right, or we can and should go out and get a big time guy who will get it right and be willing to stand up and be held accountable to an admittedly difficult job serving as head coach to one of the most successful programs of all time. No more 45:07 t-shirts and slogans, no more salesmanship, shut-up, bring ballers in from the portal and by traditional means and get us beyond the second round.

This is just a stupid rant.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Been a UConn fan since 98’ and your disdain towards Hurley is starting to look like disdain toward the program.

The way you are putting him down and highlighting only negatives is getting tiresome. You aren’t coming off as a UConn fan to me.

There is a long way to go until next season and there are a lot of reasons to be optimistic with the core we have returning.

The sky isn’t falling and we have a lot scorers and playmakers on our team next year and we aren’t finished recruiting yet

How is it disdain towards the program when I constantly use examples of what we’ve had success doing in the past to showcase what Hurley should be doing?

Hurley as a coach has made a lot of mistakes is all. It’s frustrating because he’s an amazing recruiter. We have had so much talent on this roster and only have tournament appearances to show from it. I just want more is all.

We do have a great core next year. It has sweet sixteen or more potential. My only hope is that we don’t center our offense around Sanogo if he doesn’t learn to pass when there’s so many talented perimeter guys on the team.

 

[yungdowork]

How is it disdain towards the program when I constantly use examples of what we’ve had success doing in the past to showcase what Hurley should be doing?

I would say by constantly framing every mistake as a failure regardless of the context in which it happened. Calhoun is a top 10 college basketball coach of all time. It is not a failure to not be at that standard. If using "Calhoun's formula" was as easy as you imply, there'd be an awful lot of top 10 college basketball coaches

 

[Deleted at users request]

I would say by constantly framing every mistake as a failure regardless of the context in which it happened. Calhoun is a top 10 college basketball coach of all time. It is not a failure to not be at that standard. If using "Calhoun's formula" was as easy as you imply, there'd be an awful lot of top 10 college basketball coaches

Y’all can spin this however way you want to, but there isn’t much context needed for 6 of your recruits to transfer out since 2018. It’s not okay. That’s failing to either identify or develop. Only one of those guys you can use an injury excuse for. And that remains to be seen depending on how he plays elsewhere.

If we won I would be a happy man with nothing to say. But we’ve been upset two years in a row. Not just lost, but upset. So I’m not happy personally and it’s not wrong to point out mistakes. It’s not over because the talent is still there to win with. He just has to manage it better. We should’ve done so much better this year.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

What is ridiculous. Why are you all so offended by facts? He got ejected in the first half. To credit that win to Hurley just wouldn’t be true.

To whom does the NCAA credit the win?

Your point is taken, and may even find majority favor within this forum, but it does not align with facts as defined and widely understood. This results in a flawed post, which does not make you a failure, but only means that you have failed to be accurate in your assertion.

A person need not be "offended" to notice and highlight this. Then again, your error isn't necessarily "ridiculous."

I think there's too much certainty here about things that aren't really so certain.

 

[Madmannsucks]

To whom does the NCAA credit the win?

Your point is taken, and may even find majority favor within this forum, but it does not align with facts as defined and widely understood. This results in a flawed post, which does not make you a failure, but only means that you have failed to be accurate in your assertion.

A person need not be "offended" to notice and highlight this. Then again, your error isn't necessarily "ridiculous."

I think there's too much certainty here about things that aren't really so certain.

Credit when due. Who came up with the game plan? I would say Dan Hurley did. I have not gone out of my way to defend him...but also am not actively seeking reasons not to do so.

 

[Deleted at users request]

To whom does the NCAA credit the win?

Your point is taken, and may even find majority favor within this forum, but it does not align with facts as defined and widely understood. This results in a flawed post, which does not make you a failure, but only means that you have failed to be accurate in your assertion.

A person need not be "offended" to notice and highlight this. Then again, your error isn't necessarily "ridiculous."

I think there's too much certainty here about things that aren't really so certain.

Haha I get you Hans. You’re not wrong there. To say that Hurley beat Wright in a game he didn’t finish would be an extreme reach though.

 

[yungdowork]

Y’all can spin this however way you want to, but there isn’t much context needed for 6 of your recruits to transfer out since 2018. It’s not okay. That’s failing to either identify or develop. Only one of those guys you can use an injury excuse for. And that remains to be seen depending on how he plays elsewhere.

If we won I would be a happy man with nothing to say. But we’ve been upset two years in a row. Not just lost, but upset. So I’m not happy personally and it’s not wrong to point out mistakes. It’s not over because the talent is still there to win with. He just has to manage it better. We should’ve done so much better this year.

Players lost to the Portal since 2018:

Marquette - 8
Creighton - 4
Georgetown - 12
Xavier - 10
Providence - 5
Seton Hall - 5
St. John's - 10
Depaul - 15

 

[Deleted at users request]

Players lost to the Portal since 2018:

Marquette - 8
Creighton - 4
Georgetown - 12
Xavier - 10
Providence - 5
Seton Hall - 5
St. John's - 10
Depaul - 15

Would you want us to be like most of the programs you listed here?

Also who were the 4 from Creighton? Curious because I counted 3 but I could be missing something or 247 could’ve not updated one from the 2021 class.

 

[cohenzone]

What is ridiculous. Why are you all so offended by facts? He got ejected in the first half. To credit that win to Hurley just wouldn’t be true.

Wanna check the records? Wanna bet who coached the defense they used all game?

 

[KingAG]

I would say by constantly framing every mistake as a failure regardless of the context in which it happened. Calhoun is a top 10 college basketball coach of all time. It is not a failure to not be at that standard. If using "Calhoun's formula" was as easy as you imply, there'd be an awful lot of top 10 college basketball coaches

*top 5

 

[MexicoHusky]

Players lost to the Portal since 2018:

Marquette - 8
Creighton - 4
Georgetown - 12
Xavier - 10
Providence - 5
Seton Hall - 5
St. John's - 10
Depaul - 15

When I look at this I see a connection between transfers and average to poor results

 

[KingAG]

And y’all said I was bad

 

[UCfor3]

What is ridiculous. Why are you all so offended by facts? He got ejected in the first half. To credit that win to Hurley just wouldn’t be true.

I couldn't care less who gets credit for the win. We won. That's all that counts. With that said does game prep in practice, gameplan and game readiness matter to you at all though? No credit for that I guess. Unless you spent most of the first half in the toilet you would know that we came out for the Nova game like we were shot out of a cannon. High intensity, like we were on a mission. We were well prepared. You make it sound like we were getting smoked and Kimani saved the day. How about they both get kudos for a job well done. Hurley got tossed and Kimani had his back. Win, win.

 

[Deleted at users request]

I couldn't care less who gets credit for the win. We won. That's all that counts. With that said does game prep in practice, gameplan and game readiness matter to you at all though? No credit for that I guess. Unless you spent most of the first half in the toilet you would know that we came out for the Nova game like we were shot out of a cannon. High intensity, like we were on a mission. We were well prepared. You make it sound like we were getting smoked and Kimani saved the day. How about they both get kudos for a job well done. Hurley got tossed and Kimani had his back. Win, win.

Not for nothing but that didn’t get him a win against nova before. We usually lose because we fail to close the games because of the in game coaching. It’s always a close one.

 

[Harhod]

Why "make up" things to whine about when you want the program that you root for to succeed? Generally the "whine" is due to discontent with something.
My somethings are well noted on this board.

To Hurley's credit, I guess, many believe he discovered Whaley, after Akok went down. Few will recall that KO regularly played Whaley. I will agree that Whaley shined under Dan Hurley. Bouk was league-bound no matter where he ended up and Hawkins was ready upon arrival.

He gave up on Sid, who had athleticism, size and length, to be of some benefit to the program.

Stevie Wonder would have eventually played Bouk.

He brought in Diggins, CFJr, Gaffney, J. Brown, and Akok all gone. Those are his guys and they all left.

Springs is in his 6th year I think of the developmental plan and has not played scratch and Samson, a "wall guy" got no run last year.

Clearly Hurley is not a top notch X and O guy and does he exude coolness on the sideline, quite the opposite, picture whiny, immature man slowly pissing off the refs at every ridiculous gesture and that damn "bitter beer barf" face. Helpful. Thank God for Kimani at the helm for the Nova home game or who knows what would have happened.

And as everyone on this board knows, and as I predicted last year, he's a year late engaging in the portal. A lack of talent, and more specifically the inability to replace Bouk's scoring threat through the portal was bound to bite us in axx, and it did. His holier than thou culture approach was full of shix and proved to be the case as last year we beat the teams we were supposed to beat and lost to anyone remotely competitive. Most importantly, we flamed like mitches in the 1st round again.

So, excuse me if I don't want to hear anything from Dan Hurley. Spare me the platitudes on his new formula for development and roster construction, or how he has awakened to the realities of portal world, or how he is somehow more virtuous or truthful to his players than other coaches. He's being painfully truthful to guys HE recruited, you owe them no less. Duh. He's slow to trends on and off the court, does not seem to have the facile mind to adjust on the fly ( see St. Johns at home two years ago).

He can't hide. He's at UConn, he's at a powerhouse and his failings are on a large stage. He can get it right, or we can and should go out and get a big time guy who will get it right and be willing to stand up and be held accountable to an admittedly difficult job serving as head coach to one of the most successful programs of all time. No more 45:07 t-shirts and slogans, no more salesmanship, shut-up, bring ballers in from the portal and by traditional means and get us beyond the second round.

Came in to express just these precise thoughts. The curtain has been drawn back on the Great Oz. Just a timid little man behind there. Put up, or shut, Danny. This is UConn. Win a regular season BE tittle, a BE Tourney, an NCAA Tournament Game...something to back up that cocky little strut.

 

[UCSouth]

Came in to express just these precise thoughts. The curtain has been drawn back on the Great Oz. Just a timid little man behind there. Put up, or shut, Danny. This is UConn. Win a regular season BE tittle, a BE Tourney, an NCAA Tournament Game...something to back up that cocky little strut.

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