Not Developing or Not Identifying Talent?

[Deleted at users request]

No it's not. Because most people live in the 21st century and realize transfers are a part of basketball. I hope one day you get there too

What world do you live in where a guy can recruit someone, not play them, have them go somewhere else and play well, and it’s not on the coach for figuring out how they should be used?

If you followed us before 2014, I feel like you would understand more about how UConn culture really is and how big we are on bringing in players and developing them. This isn’t a program that usually misses on players, especially if they show any bit of promise.

Phil Nolan and Charles Okwandu were made useful for Christ’s sake but we have people making excuses for why Hurley couldn’t find a way to play Akok.

Terrence Samuels and Craig Austrie were very useful not highly recruited guards freshman year. I’m not sure if you around for that, but those kind of situations make me question Hurley for how he handled our very talented roster this year. The top talent was not THAT good to lean on like he did this year.

 

[cohenzone]

Whole Lotta Dan Hurley excuses to choose from on this list. Dude needs to lock-in or find someone who can get it done. Dan Hurley appears in over his head quite a bit.

Jay Wright must quit. He lost to the guy this year. Honestly, some of the takes on Hurley are over the top. The team was a consistent jump shooter away from 3-4 more wins. Jackson was the recruit everyone drooled over and his lack of scoring playing a scorers position hurt. UConn was out of exactly one game all year. Some kids transfer at the littlest hint of having to work hard to get the floor time they feel entitled to. Or they think Hurley is recruiting better than some here think because they think they might have to contend for time with newcomers.

 

[Palatine]

I've been looking at Dan Hurley's record with incoming freshman. I think I have covered everyone and it's not the best look. In four years we've developed 4 players that I'd consider starting caliber players (bouk, Jackson, sanogo and Hawkins)

Sid Wilson - transfer
Brendan Adams - transfer
Bouknight - nba
Akok - transfer
Gaff - transfer
Sanogo - current starter
Jackson - current starter
Springs - minimal minutes
Javonte Brown - transfer
Corey Floyd - transfer
Diggins - transfer
Samson Johnson - minimal minutes
Jordan Hawkins - solid player. Likely starter as sophomore

The reasons why guys on the above list didn't work out are all over the map. We've also entered the transfer portal era. Which changes everything and hit us hard this year.

I'm not 100% sure what to make of this. We've clearly improved. NCAA two years in a row is improvement. But if this was the pre-portal era I'd think Dan Hurley is in significant trouble. Four players in four years that actually see legit playing time..... combined with a massive number of transfers. Dan Hurley definitely needs to do better and I'm not sure what the issue is. I'm not sure if he's struggling to develop players or struggling to identify talent.

One thing we do have going for us. Of the 4 players that I identified earlier, 3 of them are still on the team and will be starting next year.

It's hard to make any assessment without putting this post in context. How do our transfer compare to other teams our league or nationwide? Is this a high number or low number? Without knowing the answer to that question the discussion is pointless.

 

[businesslawyer]

It is not narrow minded it is reality. Clearly those guys weren’t good enough to get the minutes they wanted so that is either misevaluation or miscommunication. Dan himself said he is going to have to be more honest with recruits so even he is acknowledging some failure there.

Explain to me how all 13 guys on the roster can get the minutes they want. You sign up for a school and it’s a competition for minutes. There will be winners and losers. Under the old transfer rules, many losers stuck with it. Under the new transfer rules, not so much.

 

[Hungryhusky99]

Explain to me how all 13 guys on the roster can get the minutes they want. You sign up for a school and it’s a competition for minutes. There will be winners and losers. Under the old transfer rules, many losers stuck with it. Under the new transfer rules, not so much.

Obviously all 13 guys can’t play, but if guys are transferring out after 1 year or before they even play a game something went wrong somewhere.

 

[Deleted at users request]

It's hard to make any assessment without putting this post in context. How do our transfer compare to other teams our league or nationwide? Is this a high number or low number? Without knowing the answer to that question the discussion is pointless.

The research has been done. It’s abnormal compared to most top programs.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Explain to me how all 13 guys on the roster can get the minutes they want. You sign up for a school and it’s a competition for minutes. There will be winners and losers. Under the old transfer rules, many losers stuck with it. Under the new transfer rules, not so much.

This isn’t true.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Jay Wright must quit. He lost to the guy this year. Honestly, some of the takes on Hurley are over the top. The team was a consistent jump shooter away from 3-4 more wins. Jackson was the recruit everyone drooled over and his lack of scoring playing a scorers position hurt. UConn was out of exactly one game all year. Some kids transfer at the littlest hint of having to work hard to get the floor time they feel entitled to. Or they think Hurley is recruiting better than some here think because they think they might have to contend for time with newcomers.

Wright didn’t lose to Hurley.

 

[navery12]

It is not narrow minded it is reality. Clearly those guys weren’t good enough to get the minutes they wanted so that is either misevaluation or miscommunication. Dan himself said he is going to have to be more honest with recruits so even he is acknowledging some failure there.

This is a ridiculous mindset, this isn't 1999 where only bad players transfer anymore

 

[EASTFLA]

I think this is a bit harsh. Calhoun lost a lot of players and swung and missed often as well by their graduation class:

Lubin 2014 transferred
Trice. 2009 transferred
Haralson 2008 transferred
Eaves 2006 transferred
Kellogg 2004 transferred
Thompson 2003 transferred
Garrison 2005 transferred
Bradley 2010 transferred
Sam Cassell 2014 transferred
Phil Nolan 2012 never developed
Terrence Samuel 2013 transferred
Kenton Facey 2013 modestly productive
Jonathon Mandelove 2006 transferred
Stephen Enoch 2015 transferred
Darius Smith 2009 transferred
Marcus Johnson 2005 transferred
Coombes McDaniel 2009 transferred
Curtis Kelly 2006 transferred
After Major 2006 transferred
Alex Oriachi 2006 transferred

I’m sure this isn’t 100% accurate but you get the point. This was all before the portal!

Calhoun had more success bringing in players ranked 5-25 and most, not all did big things. Hurley has yet to get

 

[Hungryhusky99]

This is a ridiculous mindset, this isn't 1999 where only bad players transfer anymore.

What are you talking about? When did I ever say that? The staff has clearly made some bad evaluations the past few cycles, but it clearly makes you feel better to ignore those.

 

[Husky68]

Why "make up" things to whine about when you want the program that you root for to succeed? Generally the "whine" is due to discontent with something.
My somethings are well noted on this board.

To Hurley's credit, I guess, many believe he discovered Whaley, after Akok went down. Few will recall that KO regularly played Whaley. I will agree that Whaley shined under Dan Hurley. Bouk was league-bound no matter where he ended up and Hawkins was ready upon arrival.

He gave up on Sid, who had athleticism, size and length, to be of some benefit to the program.

Stevie Wonder would have eventually played Bouk.

He brought in Diggins, CFJr, Gaffney, J. Brown, and Akok all gone. Those are his guys and they all left.

Springs is in his 6th year I think of the developmental plan and has not played scratch and Samson, a "wall guy" got no run last year.

Clearly Hurley is not a top notch X and O guy and does he exude coolness on the sideline, quite the opposite, picture whiny, immature man slowly pissing off the refs at every ridiculous gesture and that damn "bitter beer barf" face. Helpful. Thank God for Kimani at the helm for the Nova home game or who knows what would have happened.

And as everyone on this board knows, and as I predicted last year, he's a year late engaging in the portal. A lack of talent, and more specifically the inability to replace Bouk's scoring threat through the portal was bound to bite us in axx, and it did. His holier than thou culture approach was full of shix and proved to be the case as last year we beat the teams we were supposed to beat and lost to anyone remotely competitive. Most importantly, we flamed like mitches in the 1st round again.

So, excuse me if I don't want to hear anything from Dan Hurley. Spare me the platitudes on his new formula for development and roster construction, or how he has awakened to the realities of portal world, or how he is somehow more virtuous or truthful to his players than other coaches. He's being painfully truthful to guys HE recruited, you owe them no less. Duh. He's slow to trends on and off the court, does not seem to have the facile mind to adjust on the fly ( see St. Johns at home two years ago).

He can't hide. He's at UConn, he's at a powerhouse and his failings are on a large stage. He can get it right, or we can and should go out and get a big time guy who will get it right and be willing to stand up and be held accountable to an admittedly difficult job serving as head coach to one of the most successful programs of all time. No more 45:07 t-shirts and slogans, no more salesmanship, shut-up, bring ballers in from the portal and by traditional means and get us beyond the second round.

If this is a crazy take, know at least there are two of us that belong in the looney bin!

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

I don't think player development is an issue. Look at how much better CV got under Hurley. Jackson got a lot better this year. Bouknight got so much better. Sanogo has come really far. Martin got better. Whaley got better.

The only guys that didn't get better are guys who lost a lot of time to injury and Gaffney. The rest are tbd

I have sometines received criticism for pointing out writing errors, and have responded that I almost only ever do so except in response to posts or posters who have overreached or otherwise projected their post's inerrancy. Here is a post in which the penultimate sentence can be read two ways, AND provides me with delight for how its (possibly) unintended meaning struck me. As such, this comment has no criticism intended. It is an appreciative recognition.

As written, it may be suggested that the only players who did not get better lost a lot of time to injury, OR lost a lot of time to Gaffney. The latter would mean that without Gaffney, Diggins and/or Floyd would have gotten more court time.

I could be wrong, but it may be that what was intended was that those who didn't improve were limited to uninjured Gaffney and those who were injured. But again, I like it either way.

Yes …..but crunch time kromah !

Kromah will forever merit a special shoutout. There was a previously unfamiliar poster who was all-in on Kromah and predicted true greatness for him. In that singular instance, Kromah arrived as one of the most heavily-hyped players ever. There was really no way that anyone could ever have lived up to the hype generated by this poster.

And yet, Lasan Kromah was a vital part of the 2014 NC team, who exceeded the expectations of virtually everybody on this board.

I assert that no UConn player has ever simultaneously failed to live up to trumpeted expectations AND delightfully exceeded expectations.

Long live Lasan!

Did Bouknight significantly improve his game or did he just get more playing time and usage along with everyone else on the list?

You have somewhat restated the initial query that wonder about talent development or talent identification. Bouknight has to be considered an example of at least one of those two.

See Nova.

The question you were asked to answer referred to "coaches." "Nova" is a single example, not the plural of "novum."

Why "make up" things to whine about when you want the program that you root for to succeed? Generally the "whine" is due to discontent with something.
My somethings are well noted on this board.

To Hurley's credit, I guess, many believe he discovered Whaley, after Akok went down. Few will recall that KO regularly played Whaley. I will agree that Whaley shined under Dan Hurley. Bouk was league-bound no matter where he ended up and Hawkins was ready upon arrival.

He gave up on Sid, who had athleticism, size and length, to be of some benefit to the program.

Stevie Wonder would have eventually played Bouk.

He brought in Diggins, CFJr, Gaffney, J. Brown, and Akok all gone. Those are his guys and they all left.

Springs is in his 6th year I think of the developmental plan and has not played scratch and Samson, a "wall guy" got no run last year.

Clearly Hurley is not a top notch X and O guy and does he exude coolness on the sideline, quite the opposite, picture whiny, immature man slowly pissing off the refs at every ridiculous gesture and that damn "bitter beer barf" face. Helpful. Thank God for Kimani at the helm for the Nova home game or who knows what would have happened.

And as everyone on this board knows, and as I predicted last year, he's a year late engaging in the portal. A lack of talent, and more specifically the inability to replace Bouk's scoring threat through the portal was bound to bite us in axx, and it did. His holier than thou culture approach was full of shix and proved to be the case as last year we beat the teams we were supposed to beat and lost to anyone remotely competitive. Most importantly, we flamed like mitches in the 1st round again.

So, excuse me if I don't want to hear anything from Dan Hurley. Spare me the platitudes on his new formula for development and roster construction, or how he has awakened to the realities of portal world, or how he is somehow more virtuous or truthful to his players than other coaches. He's being painfully truthful to guys HE recruited, you owe them no less. Duh. He's slow to trends on and off the court, does not seem to have the facile mind to adjust on the fly ( see St. Johns at home two years ago).

He can't hide. He's at UConn, he's at a powerhouse and his failings are on a large stage. He can get it right, or we can and should go out and get a big time guy who will get it right and be willing to stand up and be held accountable to an admittedly difficult job serving as head coach to one of the most successful programs of all time. No more 45:07 t-shirts and slogans, no more salesmanship, shut-up, bring ballers in from the portal and by traditional means and get us beyond the second round.

That's it?
Thanks for sharing.

 

[cohenzone]

Wright didn’t lose to Hurley.

Ridiculous.

 

[navery12]

What world do you live in where a guy can recruit someone, not play them, have them go somewhere else and play well, and it’s not on the coach for figuring out how they should be used?

If you followed us before 2014, I feel like you would understand more about how UConn culture really is and how big we are on bringing in players and developing them. This isn’t a program that usually misses on players, especially if they show any bit of promise.

Phil Nolan and Charles Okwandu were made useful for Christ’s sake but we have people making excuses for why Hurley couldn’t find a way to play Akok.

Terrence Samuels and Craig Austrie were very useful not highly recruited guards freshman year. I’m not sure if you around for that, but those kind of situations make me question Hurley for how he handled our very talented roster this year. The top talent was not THAT good to lean on like he did this year.

Stop putting words in my mouth, seriously. Do it again and I'm putting you back on ignore.

What I'm saying is with guys like Floyd and Diggins we don't know what they would have been if they stayed at UConn and developed. Maybe they would have sucked, maybe Hurley would have developed them, maybe they'll be good elsewhere. All I'm saying is that saying guys like Corey Floyd Jr are failures simply because they transferred before playing a single second of college basketball is an outdated mindset.

You keep referencing me being a newer fan like it makes you some kind of hero that you've rooted for them longer than me. It doesn't. Tons of other fans have moved on into the present day and accepted transfers, I hope one day you can too. But really it doesn't matter, as you've so accurately pointed out numerous time transfers all suck and never lead to winning so we don't need to worry about losing any of these guys. They transferred and are lost causes now

 

[navery12]

What are you talking about? When did I ever say that? The staff has clearly made some bad evaluations the past few cycles, but it clearly makes you feel better to ignore those.

I'm not denying there were some poor evaluations, stop moving the goalposts. You said Floyd is a failure because he transferred from UConn. All I'm saying is we have no idea what Floyd is because he hasn't played a single minute yet, so locking him in in any group doesn't work me, failure or success.

 

[CheshireCat]

I've been looking at Dan Hurley's record with incoming freshman. I think I have covered everyone and it's not the best look. In four years we've developed 4 players that I'd consider starting caliber players (bouk, Jackson, sanogo and Hawkins)

Sid Wilson - transfer
Brendan Adams - transfer
Bouknight - nba
Akok - transfer
Gaff - transfer
Sanogo - current starter
Jackson - current starter
Springs - minimal minutes
Javonte Brown - transfer
Corey Floyd - transfer
Diggins - transfer
Samson Johnson - minimal minutes
Jordan Hawkins - solid player. Likely starter as sophomore

The reasons why guys on the above list didn't work out are all over the map. We've also entered the transfer portal era. Which changes everything and hit us hard this year.

I'm not 100% sure what to make of this. We've clearly improved. NCAA two years in a row is improvement. But if this was the pre-portal era I'd think Dan Hurley is in significant trouble. Four players in four years that actually see legit playing time..... combined with a massive number of transfers. Dan Hurley definitely needs to do better and I'm not sure what the issue is. I'm not sure if he's struggling to develop players or struggling to identify talent.

One thing we do have going for us. Of the 4 players that I identified earlier, 3 of them are still on the team and will be starting next year.

This is a custom designed “I’ll set them up, you knock them down” thread for the CheshireCat….but I won’t bother - my work is done here. Carry on, and spread the word for me my brethren! . I think Kimani Young would hit the portal if coaches could do the same.

 

[Hungryhusky99]

I'm not denying there were some poor evaluations, stop moving the goalposts. You said Floyd is a failure because he transferred from UConn. All I'm saying is we have no idea what Floyd is because he hasn't played a single minute yet, so locking him in in any group doesn't work me, failure or success.

I mean he can be a success for his next school for sure, but I don’t see how he can be a success for us.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

This is a custom designed “I’ll set them up, you knock them down” thread for the CheshireCat….but I won’t bother - my work is done here. Carry on, and spread the word for me my brethren! . I think Kimani Young would hit the portal if coaches could do the same.

The Portal is going to get less deep every season until the final Covid classes are gone. All of these players using their extra year of eligibility and the one-time free transfer rule being passed at the same time created a lot of transfer portal opportunities. Within a couple of years, I think the Portal will be deeper than historical transfer pools, but nothing like last year or this year when coaches could put together an entire roster of experienced transfers (see Providence, Marquette, and to a lesser extent, Creighton). Going forward, I think you will see a bunch of freshmen and some sophomores hitting the portal, but there will not be that many more upperclassmen then there was in the pre-Portal days. There will be a few experienced mid-major players looking to upgrade, but without the movement in front of them at the P5 programs, I don't think as many experienced mid-major players will want to jump to sit on the bench.

That means that any coach that missed last year or this year in the Portal missed a one-time opportunity to dramatically improve their team.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Stop putting words in my mouth, seriously. Do it again and I'm putting you back on ignore.

What I'm saying is with guys like Floyd and Diggins we don't know what they would have been if they stayed at UConn and developed. Maybe they would have sucked, maybe Hurley would have developed them, maybe they'll be good elsewhere. All I'm saying is that saying guys like Corey Floyd Jr are failures simply because they transferred before playing a single second of college basketball is an outdated mindset.

You keep referencing me being a newer fan like it makes you some kind of hero that you've rooted for them longer than me. It doesn't. Tons of other fans have moved on into the present day and accepted transfers, I hope one day you can too. But really it doesn't matter, as you've so accurately pointed out numerous time transfers all suck and never lead to winning so we don't need to worry about losing any of these guys. They transferred and are lost causes now

Not it’s not. We spent resources recruiting them only for them not to do anything for us and have to hit the portal for replacements. So they were misses by Hurley. Failures. I already showed the numbers that healthy blue blood programs don’t deal with this many transfer and misses. If they do, it’s because they recruit well enough where they don’t beat out other recruits.

What I’m saying by being a newer fan you don’t understand just how well Calhoun’s formula worked. Which is most’s problem with Hurley. Calhoun was as honest, strict, and as much of an balloon knot as they come. But he believed in his players, found a way to make them useful to give them minutes, and developed the living hell out of them. And we never had to conform to the rest of college hoops. I’d personally like our culture to stay that way.

 

[imno1]

I have sometines received criticism for pointing out writing errors, and have responded that I almost only ever do so except in response to posts or posters who have overreached or otherwise projected their post's inerrancy. Here is a post in which the penultimate sentence can be read two ways, AND provides me with delight for how its (possibly) unintended meaning struck me. As such, this comment has no criticism intended. It is an appreciative recognition.

As written, it may be suggested that the only players who did not get better lost a lot of time to injury, OR lost a lot of time to Gaffney. The latter would mean that without Gaffney, Diggins and/or Floyd would have gotten more court time.

I could be wrong, but it may be that what was intended was that those who didn't improve were limited to uninjured Gaffney and those who were injured. But again, I like it either way.

Kromah will forever merit a special shoutout. There was a previously unfamiliar poster who was all-in on Kromah and predicted true greatness for him. In that singular instance, Kromah arrived as one of the most heavily-hyped players ever. There was really no way that anyone could ever have lived up to the hype generated by this poster.

And yet, Lasan Kromah was a vital part of the 2014 NC team, who exceeded the expectations of virtually everybody on this board.

I assert that no UConn player has ever simultaneously failed to live up to trumpeted expectations AND delightfully exceeded expectations.

Long live Lasan!

You have somewhat restated the initial query that wonder about talent development or talent identification. Bouknight has to be considered an example of at least one of those two.

The question you were asked to answer referred to "coaches." "Nova" is a single example, not the plural of "novum."


That's it?
Thanks for sharing.

You lost me at writing errors )

 

[navery12]

I mean he can be a success for his next school for sure, but I don’t see how he can be a success for us.

Not a success but I don't see how it's a failure. The context of this discussion is the ability to identify talent, all I'm saying is if Floyd is good somewhere else that's not a failure to identify talent even if he failed to retain the player

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Did I actually read a post criticizing Hurley for giving up on Sid Wilson? We’ve crossed over into full blown self-parody. Some of you might need a few months off from the internet.

 

[ctchamps]

I have sometines received criticism for pointing out writing errors, and have responded that I almost only ever do so except in response to posts or posters who have overreached or otherwise projected their post's inerrancy. Here is a post in which the penultimate sentence can be read two ways, AND provides me with delight for how its (possibly) unintended meaning struck me. As such, this comment has no criticism intended. It is an appreciative recognition.

As written, it may be suggested that the only players who did not get better lost a lot of time to injury, OR lost a lot of time to Gaffney. The latter would mean that without Gaffney, Diggins and/or Floyd would have gotten more court time.

I could be wrong, but it may be that what was intended was that those who didn't improve were limited to uninjured Gaffney and those who were injured. But again, I like it either way.

Kromah will forever merit a special shoutout. There was a previously unfamiliar poster who was all-in on Kromah and predicted true greatness for him. In that singular instance, Kromah arrived as one of the most heavily-hyped players ever. There was really no way that anyone could ever have lived up to the hype generated by this poster.

And yet, Lasan Kromah was a vital part of the 2014 NC team, who exceeded the expectations of virtually everybody on this board.

I assert that no UConn player has ever simultaneously failed to live up to trumpeted expectations AND delightfully exceeded expectations.

Long live Lasan!

You have somewhat restated the initial query that wonder about talent development or talent identification. Bouknight has to be considered an example of at least one of those two.

The question you were asked to answer referred to "coaches." "Nova" is a single example, not the plural of "novum."


That's it?
Thanks for sharing.

If we locked you and spliffy in a room it would be similar to bringing matter and antimatter together.

He eats shoots and leaves.
He eats shoots, and leaves.
He eats, shoots, and leaves.

Never underestimate the value of commas.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Did I actually read a post criticizing Hurley for giving up on Sid Wilson? We’ve crossed over into full blown self-parody. Some of you might need a few months off from the internet.

This off season has been one for the ages thus far. I've been posting on iterations of the Boneyard since ~07/08 and I'm not sure I've seen worse takes since the last of the KO holdouts during his tenure here.

 

[navery12]

Not it’s not. We spent resources recruiting them only for them not to do anything for us and have to hit the portal for replacements. So they were misses by Hurley. Failures. I already showed the numbers that healthy blue blood programs don’t deal with this many transfer and misses. If they do, it’s because they recruit well enough where they don’t beat out other recruits.

What I’m saying by being a newer fan you don’t understand just how well Calhoun’s formula worked. Which is most’s problem with Hurley. Calhoun was as honest, strict, and as much of an balloon knot as they come. But he believed in his players, found a way to make them useful to give them minutes, and developed the living hell out of them. And we never had to conform to the rest of college hoops. I’d personally like our culture to stay that way.

You already tried to show the numbers to support your point about transfers and were immediately called out for being wrong. Calhoun's formula would not work in today's game. You can hope all you want for the same formula but it's time to move on. Adapt or die, Hurley has adapted. You've shown you won't which is why you're going to continue to be a miserable person on this board for the next decade while we win with transfers

 

[UCSouth]

Why "make up" things to whine about when you want the program that you root for to succeed? Generally the "whine" is due to discontent with something.
My somethings are well noted on this board.

To Hurley's credit, I guess, many believe he discovered Whaley, after Akok went down. Few will recall that KO regularly played Whaley. I will agree that Whaley shined under Dan Hurley. Bouk was league-bound no matter where he ended up and Hawkins was ready upon arrival.

He gave up on Sid, who had athleticism, size and length, to be of some benefit to the program.

Stevie Wonder would have eventually played Bouk.

He brought in Diggins, CFJr, Gaffney, J. Brown, and Akok all gone. Those are his guys and they all left.

Springs is in his 6th year I think of the developmental plan and has not played scratch and Samson, a "wall guy" got no run last year.

Clearly Hurley is not a top notch X and O guy and does he exude coolness on the sideline, quite the opposite, picture whiny, immature man slowly pissing off the refs at every ridiculous gesture and that damn "bitter beer barf" face. Helpful. Thank God for Kimani at the helm for the Nova home game or who knows what would have happened.

And as everyone on this board knows, and as I predicted last year, he's a year late engaging in the portal. A lack of talent, and more specifically the inability to replace Bouk's scoring threat through the portal was bound to bite us in axx, and it did. His holier than thou culture approach was full of shix and proved to be the case as last year we beat the teams we were supposed to beat and lost to anyone remotely competitive. Most importantly, we flamed like mitches in the 1st round again.

So, excuse me if I don't want to hear anything from Dan Hurley. Spare me the platitudes on his new formula for development and roster construction, or how he has awakened to the realities of portal world, or how he is somehow more virtuous or truthful to his players than other coaches. He's being painfully truthful to guys HE recruited, you owe them no less. Duh. He's slow to trends on and off the court, does not seem to have the facile mind to adjust on the fly ( see St. Johns at home two years ago).

He can't hide. He's at UConn, he's at a powerhouse and his failings are on a large stage. He can get it right, or we can and should go out and get a big time guy who will get it right and be willing to stand up and be held accountable to an admittedly difficult job serving as head coach to one of the most successful programs of all time. No more 45:07 t-shirts and slogans, no more salesmanship, shut-up, bring ballers in from the portal and by traditional means and get us beyond the second round.

You say "we" like you bring something to the program. All I see is a whiny b1#ch on a message board. Get over yourself already.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Did I actually read a post criticizing Hurley for giving up on Sid Wilson? We’ve crossed over into full blown self-parody. Some of you might need a few months off from the internet.

You are welcome to disagree about whether Sid Wilson should be included as Hurley's responsiblity, but it is a bit of an overreaction to act like a few words in one post broke the Internet. There have been quite a few over-the-top ad hominem attacks on other posters in this thread in defense of Hurley.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

If we locked you and spliffy in a room it would be similar to bringing matter and antimatter together.

He eats shoots and leaves.
He eats shoots, and leaves.
He eats, shoots, and leaves.

Never underestimate the value of commas.

In households across America, families are gathering (or have gathered) for celebratory meals, and children have said, "Let's eat, Grandma."

Without the comma, that's a very different exhortation.

 

[Deleted at users request]

You already tried to show the numbers to support your point about transfers and were immediately called out for being wrong. Calhoun's formula would not work in today's game. You can hope all you want for the same formula but it's time to move on. Adapt or die, Hurley has adapted. You've shown you won't which is why you're going to continue to be a miserable person on this board for the next decade while we win with transfers

Yeah 1 out of the 8 teams I pointed out. Let me know when Hurley makes it out the first round. I’ll keep believe in the formula that has us tied with 6th all time.