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Then how about this. Since 2000, UConn has won as many National Championships as the rest of WCBB combined. Does that qualify as a dynasty?
Absolutely. That's not the right question though because we are not debating if UCONN was a Dynasty- that would be kind of pointless. The right question is has that UCONN Dynasty ended? Recall my original post.

The current dynasty is?
 
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Might this potentially benefit Oregon State regarding Talia von Oelhoffen? Beavers are competing mightily with Stanford for her and up to now, Stanford was not getting the guards they wanted for 2021. The more guards Stanford picks up for 2021 not named Talia, the better for OSU, at least theoretically. On the other hand, Talia may have little concern about competition for PT at Stanford (ie. Harriel's commitment to Stanford is a non-factor.)
Beaver Nation's Beaveroracle posted today that Talia has verbaled to Oregon State, citing an anonymous source. Don't know much about Beaveroracle's reputation, but the rumor has been received well by fans in Corvallis who are desperate for a point guard for 2021.
 

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pairing Lattimore with Cardoso would certainly give them a lot of paint cred.

They would run the ACC. No team in the ACC would be able to match up with them inside.
 
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Beaver Nation's Beaveroracle posted today that Talia has verbaled to Oregon State, citing an anonymous source. Don't know much about Beaveroracle's reputation, but the rumor has been received well by fans in Corvallis who are desperate for a point guard for 2021.
Beaver fan, but I will only believe it when I see it (an actual commitment by her). I just wish folks wouldn't start rumors like this.
 
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pairing Lattimore with Cardoso would certainly give them a lot of paint cred.
Provided that they are going to be doing more than just setting screens and their offense mostly coming from getting putbacks by grabbing offensive rebounds from missed 3 pointers. Has Hillsman ever ran his offense through his post players before?
 
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They would run the ACC. No team in the ACC would be able to match up with them inside.
Lattimore is not an inside player though more slashing/finesse 3 and stretch 4. Cardosa was always lacking dominance on HS level. Don't forget Martinez outplayed Cardosa in the post on the ESPN tournament when Cardosa was a junior. On the AAU circuit when Cardosa was paired with Cochran it was Cochran doing the inside damage. Even UCONN's 5'11" Mir matched up pretty well with Cardosa on the AAU circuit briefly. At 6'7" and with her build Cardosa has the potential to be dominant but I have not seen it at the prep level. Cardosa rebounds her area welll but she does not carve out additional space like you would think she would. I'm also not sure Q knows what to do with a post player, he'll probably have her shooting 3s by December I bet.
 

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@Dillon77 would know better.

According to his recruiting report that is regularly updated on the ND board, yes she is.

To use former coach Muffet McGraw's phrase, yes, there is "mutual interest." Thanks to frequent Bench poster and season ticket holder, MPG, we know that the Reynolds family often take in ND games. Plus, Beth Morgan Cunningham -- who was in charge of recruiting the year that Niele Ivey was with the Memphis Grizzlies -- went to see Mila. Reynolds play this year. Niele was gone less than a year, so I'm sure she is very aware of both Reynolds girls. We'll see if the interest continues at some point, I'm sure.

Niele did confirm serious ND interest in another Indiana product - Ayanna Patterson -- when she offered the 6'3" forward from Homestead H.S. (by Ft. Wayne) upon her return to ND.
 
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Lattimore is not an inside player though more slashing/finesse 3 and stretch 4. Cardosa was always lacking dominance on HS level. Don't forget Martinez outplayed Cardosa in the post on the ESPN tournament when Cardosa was a junior. On the AAU circuit when Cardosa was paired with Cochran it was Cochran doing the inside damage. Even UCONN's 5'11" Mir matched up pretty well with Cardosa on the AAU circuit briefly. At 6'7" and with her build Cardosa has the potential to be dominant but I have not seen it at the prep level. Cardosa rebounds her area welll but she does not carve out additional space like you would think she would. I'm also not sure Q knows what to do with a post player, he'll probably have her shooting 3s by December I bet.
I wouldn’t disagree with this regarding Cardoso. She always seemed to just use her height and quickness versus establishing position. With her being a pretty good leaper I always thought she relied too much on that. Against a vast majority of opposing teams that will be enough. Having Treasure Hunt playing along side her hindered her having to be too aggressive on the rebounding front as Hunt is a capable rebounder. The players you referenced had to learn to box out or they would get abused. I’m curious to whether she learns that skill when she is consistently going against players close to her height and build.
 
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I don't think that Van Lith was really interested in attending Oregon State, so any rumor to that effect wasn't very well informed.
Hailey Van Lith may not have been seriously interested, but boy was there a lot of heavy speculation that she was, to the point where whether there was any basis in it, I think most people around here were under the impression that OSU was neck and neck with Louisville right up to the end. Funny how these rumors can take on a life of their own.

Incidentally: someone on our board noticed that Stanford WBB Twitter just started following Kiki Iriafen. In the past, that has very often preceded a commitment that follows shortly after, so there is some speculation Iriafen may have just gotten some good admissions news. (It was around this time that Haley Jones was admitted to Stanford back in 2018, although she obviously waited to commit until November after taking all her official visits.)
 
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Absolutely. That's not the right question though because we are not debating if UCONN was a Dynasty- that would be kind of pointless. The right question is has that UCONN Dynasty ended? Recall my original post.

Since you agree that UConn from 2000 through at least 2016 was a dynasty, what did you do from 2005-07 when UConn failed to reach the Final Four for three straight years (gasp). By your criteria, you would have loudly proclaimed the dynasty was over. And you would have been wrong. Dynasty's are best understood in retrospect. Which is why I think you are premature in declaring UConn's dynasty over, and why I think those declaring South Carolina as the next dynasty should wait just a little bit.
 

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Washington added a JC PG from Midland, TX (by way of Australia), Grace Beasley. Added a bunch of guards but not much in the way of size for next season. Hopefully this works out better than the last JC PG.
 
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Hailey Van Lith may not have been seriously interested, but boy was there a lot of heavy speculation that she was, to the point where whether there was any basis in it, I think most people around here were under the impression that OSU was neck and neck with Louisville right up to the end. Funny how these rumors can take on a life of their own.

Incidentally: someone on our board noticed that Stanford WBB Twitter just started following Kiki Iriafen. In the past, that has very often preceded a commitment that follows shortly after, so there is some speculation Iriafen may have just gotten some good admissions news. (It was around this time that Haley Jones was admitted to Stanford back in 2018, although she obviously waited to commit until November after taking all her official visits.)
I think that Beaver Nation was a bit giddy during the Van Lith recruitment that Oregon State was mentioned among the finalists. Van Lith attended OSU basketball camps with her high school team, but reportedly did not take an official visit to Corvallis despite the fact that her brother played minor league baseball in that city.

On the other hand, the Talia Von Oelhoffen commitment to Oregon State rumor is continuing to be echoed by other posters on the Benny's House website. The fans view Harriel's recent commitment to Stanford as a great sign for the Beavs' chances to land a Class of 2021 point guard.
 

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I think that Beaver Nation was a bit giddy during the Van Lith recruitment that Oregon State was mentioned among the finalists. Van Lith attended OSU basketball camps with her high school team, but reportedly did not take an official visit to Corvallis despite the fact that her brother played minor league baseball in that city.

On the other hand, the Talia Von Oelhoffen commitment to Oregon State rumor is continuing to be echoed by other posters on the Benny's House website. The fans view Harriel's recent commitment to Stanford as a great sign for the Beavs' chances to land a Class of 2021 point guard.
Someone on the Stanford board thinks it came down to whether TVO wants to play PG (then OSU) or SG/W (then Stanford). What I don't understand is that ESPN Hoopgurlz classifies her as a 5'11" wing, which would not strike me as a prototypical PG (though perhaps is closer to the prototypical OSU point guard). Do you know if they misclassified her or if she just wants to swap roles for college ball? I also wouldn't necessarily view Harriel as a threat to TVO's playing time because Stanford is going to be loaded with bigs in the 2019-2021 recruiting classes (Prechtel, Belibi, Brink, Demetre, and hopefully Iriafen), so there will be a lot of playing time in the 1-3 roles, and Harriel is more of a combo guard than point guard, so I suspect if anything the main competition for PG duties will be Jana Van Gytenbeek from the 2020 class and, hopefully, Kiki Rice in the class of 2022.
 

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Since you agree that UConn from 2000 through at least 2016 was a dynasty, what did you do from 2005-07 when UConn failed to reach the Final Four for three straight years (gasp). By your criteria, you would have loudly proclaimed the dynasty was over. And you would have been wrong. Dynasty's are best understood in retrospect. Which is why I think you are premature in declaring UConn's dynasty over, and why I think those declaring South Carolina as the next dynasty should wait just a little bit.
I sweated mostly. I did consider that dynasty over and "temporarily" replace by TN-talk about something to really gasp at. But then UCONN came roaring back and the universe righted itself. Pretty much the same thing I'm encouraging you to do now-sweat temporarily. BTW I don't think South Carolina is the current Dynasty. I don't think there is a current Dynasty.
 

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Someone on the Stanford board thinks it came down to whether TVO wants to play PG (then OSU) or SG/W (then Stanford). What I don't understand is that ESPN Hoopgurlz classifies her as a 5'11" wing, which would not strike me as a prototypical PG (though perhaps is closer to the prototypical OSU point guard). Do you know if they misclassified her or if she just wants to swap roles for college ball? I also wouldn't necessarily view Harriel as a threat to TVO's playing time because Stanford is going to be loaded with bigs in the 2019-2021 recruiting classes (Prechtel, Belibi, Brink, Demetre, and hopefully Iriafen), so there will be a lot of playing time in the 1-3 roles, and Harriel is more of a combo guard than point guard, so I suspect if anything the main competition for PG duties will be Jana Van Gytenbeek from the 2020 class and, hopefully, Kiki Rice in the class of 2022.
ESPN rating are based on projections of the position the player will play at the college level. TVO is not that different than say Saylor or Citron or Rivers in that they are the HS team's primary ball handler and defacto PG. Dan Olson tends to discount that because they are not going to be the team's primary ball handler at the next level.
 

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I sweated mostly. I did consider that dynasty over and "temporarily" replace by TN-talk about something to really gasp at. But then UCONN came roaring back and the universe righted itself. Pretty much the same thing I'm encouraging you to do now-sweat temporarily. BTW I don't think South Carolina is the current Dynasty. I don't think there is a current Dynasty.
ND has been as good or had more success in the last five years as SC and no one is calling them a dynasty. SC has won one championship, had an outstanding recruiting class, and was rated number one at the end of this season. There was no guarantee they would have won it all this past season and even if they had they would not be considered a dynasty A number of teams have won back to back championships and then faded, never to win another championship. A dynasty is built over many successful years of winning championships and in some cases dominating the sport they are in. At least that is the way I look at it. What WBB team has done that in the last fifteen to twenty years? Alabama and New England did it in football. I agree with you Coco.
 
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BTW I don't think South Carolina is the current Dynasty. I don't think there is a current Dynasty.

I agree with this. There is much more parity currently which IMO is a good thing for the sport and makes it all more exciting.

In order to be a dynasty you have to have many national titles and just completely dominate the sport over a decent period of time (not just a couple years). Winning one national title and being in the hunt for years doesn't make you one. If thats the case there are quite a few "dynasties" out there.


In gymnastics, OU could be considered one, they have won 4 of the last 6 national titles and was probably the favorite to win it all again this year to win 5 of the last 7. It took a pretty historic come back by UCLA in 2018 to barely over take OU, if not they won 5 of the last 6 national titles which is insane.
 

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I would just like to put on record that it wasn’t a SC fan that called the Gamecocks a dynasty. Just like the last time, this is another case of the Gamecocks being inserted into a conversation that wasn’t asked for.
 

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I would just like to put on record that it wasn’t a SC fan that called the Gamecocks a dynasty. Just like the last time, this is another case of the Gamecocks being inserted into a conversation that wasn’t asked for.
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