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uconnyankee said:
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Scoff Charlie Pickering GIF by The Weekly with Charlie Pickering
 
uconnyankee said:
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Outside of the random inclusion of Maryland that would never happen, here are a couple observatons:

1. The top ACC brands will not be in the ACC much longer, and would thus not be available for this "consolidaton".
2. The net worth of the Big 12 and the remaining ACC schools isn't enough to elevate either conference, even if they were consolidated. They are both worth about the same with or without each other.
 
Haven’t watched yet so I have no comment at the moment (other than probably not true; grain of salt and all that), but headline says “source: big 12, acc merger plan completed” and some teams getting left out.

 
UConn Dan said:
Haven’t watched yet so I have no comment at the moment (other than probably not true; grain of salt and all that), but headline says “source: big 12, acc merger plan completed” and some teams getting left out.

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Ugh never mind. They’re discussing the Basement Dweller of West Virginia’s tweet right off the bat so not going to watch any further lol
 
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UConn Dan said:
Haven’t watched yet so I have no comment at the moment (other than probably not true; grain of salt and all that), but headline says “source: big 12, acc merger plan completed” and some teams getting left out.

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lololololololol

Once again the Locked On network embarrasses itself.

And that is not a comment on Matt who is doing a good job having taking over the UConn Locked On stream.

But the flagship B12 coverage by this "network" is just hilariously bad.
 
If there is a merger of the B12/ACC, I think its much more likely all the schools stay and this unwieldly beast doubles down on the ACC eyeballs formula for distributing the revenue. In football and basketball, they might need to divide into an A and B pool with internal relegation. For all other sports they could benefit some by a minor reshuffling by geography to save on travel. Regardless, unless a school voluntarily withdraws, I don't see a politically viable way to cull the heard in the process if the ACC/B12 heads lead the charge.

That said, I suppose Miami/Clemson/FSU could agree to form a new conference on their own and invite who they want from the ACC/B12 pool. I suppose that is a scenario that could unfold in about 5 years. It went well for WSU/OSU with the P12 rebuild. :(
 
Exit 4 said:
If there is a merger of the B12/ACC, I think its much more likely all the schools stay and this unwieldly beast doubles down on the ACC eyeballs formula for distributing the revenue. In football and basketball, they might need to divide into an A and B pool with internal relegation. For all other sports they could benefit some by a minor reshuffling by geography to save on travel. Regardless, unless a school voluntarily withdraws, I don't see a politically viable way to cull the heard in the process if the ACC/B12 heads lead the charge.

That said, I suppose Miami/Clemson/FSU could agree to form a new conference on their own and invite who they want from the ACC/B12 pool. I suppose that is a scenario that could unfold in about 5 years. It went well for WSU/OSU with the P12 rebuild. :(
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If this happens in conjunction with the media deals expiring, then it really doesn’t matter. The same way the Catholic schools left The Big East, schools from ACC and Big 12 could form their own league and leave some schools out.
 
uconnyankee said:
If this happens in conjunction with the media deals expiring, then it really doesn’t matter. The same way the Catholic schools left The Big East, schools from ACC and Big 12 could form their own league and leave some schools out.
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Yep. The demise of the old SWC saw schools like Rice and TCU and Houston get left behind.
 
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ArtTheFan said:
Did the Big Ten traded Maryland to the ACC for Syracuse and BC? Or did BC got regulated to the FCS??
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Lambert's mom shut off his internet access before he was able to finish his research. He walked upstairs from the basement to beg her to turn it back on, then posted his "sourced information" without going back to see which schools are currently in which conferences.
 
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I still don’t buy the ACC breakup scenario. We saw FSU and Clemson attempt it only to find they aren’t really that popular. They are both the 2nd program in their respective home states. And that is generally not a target for either the SEC or Big 10. UNC and Virginia are the next sure things but unfortunately for them they aren’t good at the sport those leagues want them to be good at. And while the Big has been more willing to take members based on market or potential, the SEC has decidedly not done that since Missouri. And Mizzou was a top 25 ish program or better on a regular basis when they joined the SEC. I’m not sure the Big is adding somebody who will grow given their history with Maryland and the Rutgers clown show.
 
I believe 2030 the ACC buyout drops to $75 million. That will be the first window for departure. In 2036 I believe the ACC media deal ends. I think you have to wait until that period to know the end of the FSU/Clemson saga.
 
CL82 said:
I believe 2030 the ACC buyout drops to $75 million. That will be the first window for departure. In 2036 I believe the ACC media deal ends. I think you have to wait until that period to know the end of the FSU/Clemson saga.
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Maybe. But I still think you can’t leave without a place to go. Nobody not named Notre Dame who has tried eventually gave it up. We will at the first rational opportunity.
 
freescooter said:
Maybe. But I still think you can’t leave without a place to go. Nobody not named Notre Dame who has tried eventually gave it up. We will at the first rational opportunity.
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In another thread, people are talking about how the big east suing the ACC somehow prevents Connecticut from being a member of that conference today, 23 years later. I'm not convinced that is accurate, but I do wonder if FSU's history of being a difficult conference partner, makes it less attractive to the big 10. I suspect that it might, though probably not enough to outweigh it's proven history as a ratings heavyweight.

That said, it's still only halftime in the FSU/Clemson saga. The final gun doesn't go off until 2036.
 
CL82 said:
In another thread, people are talking about how the big east suing the ACC somehow prevents Connecticut from being a member of that conference today, 23 years later. I'm not convinced that is accurate, but I do wonder if FSU's history of being a difficult conference partner, makes it less attractive to the big 10. I suspect that it might, though probably not enough to outweigh it's proven history as a ratings heavyweight.

That said, it's still only halftime in the FSU/Clemson saga. The final gun doesn't go off until 2036.
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In my opinion the real issue is that the 14th Connecticut Infantry fought the 26th North Carolina Infantry during Pickett's Charge at the Battle of Gettysburg on July 3, 1863. We won and they are still upset.
 
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CL82 said:
In another thread, people are talking about how the big east suing the ACC somehow prevents Connecticut from being a member of that conference today, 23 years later. I'm not convinced that is accurate, but I do wonder if FSU's history of being a difficult conference partner, makes it less attractive to the big 10. I suspect that it might, though probably not enough to outweigh it's proven history as a ratings heavyweight.

That said, it's still only halftime in the FSU/Clemson saga. The final gun doesn't go off until 2036.
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Notre Dame talks about being rejected by the B1G 100 years ago as a reason not to join.
 
CL82 said:
I believe 2030 the ACC buyout drops to $75 million. That will be the first window for departure. In 2036 I believe the ACC media deal ends. I think you have to wait until that period to know the end of the FSU/Clemson saga.
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I used to agree that there would be two waves of teams leaving, with SEC and Big Ten departures occurring around 2030 and Big 12 departures occuring in 2036. However, I changed my mind when I read that ESPN can renegotiate the contract if a certain number of members leave the ACC, which is highly likely to happen. Therefore, the ACC's contract- which will already be behind the Big 12's since the Big 12 has a renegotiation coming up in a few years and the ACC doesn't for another decade- will fall even further behind the Big 12's contract, making it likely that ACC members who wish to depart for the Big 12 will do so in 2030 or so instead of 2036/37.
 
freescooter said:
Maybe. But I still think you can’t leave without a place to go. Nobody not named Notre Dame who has tried eventually gave it up. We will at the first rational opportunity.
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Numerous ACC schools will have a place to go. UNC and UVA will have their pick of the SEC or Big Ten. There may be others that get invited to join those two conferences as well, depending on what happens with UNC and UVA (see below). The next most desireable remaining ACC programs will have major interest from the Big 12.

To me, the key for UConn and many other schools is whether UVA and UNC go to the SEC or Big Ten. What is likely best for UConn is those two schools choosing the Big Ten, and I think that as we approach 2029, the major elected officials in CT should reach out to their counterparts in VA and NC to explain why it is in their states' interests for their respective flagship schools to choose the Big Ten over the SEC.

If UVA and UNC choose the SEC, it is extremely unlikely that the Big Ten would invite VA Tech or NC St (for numerous reasons including lack of AAU membership). In other words, both VA Tech and NC St- each a major public university- would NOT get into one of the two superconferences. Additionally, it is not even clear whether those two schools would get into the Big 12, which is likely to become the clear-cut third best conference after the next realignment. With the SEC going to 18 schools and the Big Ten possibly remaining at 18, that probably means the Big 12 would add two schools to get to 18, and I suspect they would take Florida State and possibly Clemson over VA Tech and NC St. It is possible that the Big Ten goes to 20 schools (possibly prompting the Big 12 to go to 20 as well) by adding Stanford and Cal or maybe Miami and Florida State but it's far from a given, making it a legitimate possibility that VA Tech and/or NC St end up in the fourth best conference.

Meanwhile, If UVA and UNC choose the Big Ten, it is likely that VA Tech and NC St get invited to join the SEC, since the SEC can expand its territory and doesn't want to concede southern states to its main rival conference. In other words, UVA and UNC joining the Big Ten makes it likely that both of the major schools in each state end up in a superconference. Considering the huge gaps in revenue between the two superconferences and the ACC that already exist and will be even larger once the ACC gets raided, it would clearly be a substantial financial benefit to the states of VA and NC to ensure that each of their two main universities end up in a superconference.

Our major elected officials should point this out to the major elected officials in VA and NC because it would also increase UConn's chances of getting into the Big 12, which would be preferable to the ACC since that conference may not even be a power conference after the upcoming realignment and at a minimum will clearly be behind the Big 12. Here is why it helps our chances:

1- It increases the chances that the SEC expands to 20 teams, which in turn will likely prompt the Big 12 to expand to 20 teams, meaning there are more available slots. With the Big Ten having added schools in VA and NC, the SEC will need to seriously consider some defensive additions (Florida State and possibly Georgia Tech) to prevent the Big Ten from possibly taking those schools and expanding into the SEC's already limited geographical footprint.

2- It greatly reduces the chances of Stanford and Cal getting into the Big Ten (since they'll already be at 20), which may provide an opening for us to be school #20 in the Big 12. There will likely be between 54-60 slots in three biggest conferences, depending on whether some/all of them end up at 18 or 20 teams. Right now, I believe we are school #62 if Stanford and Cal get in but #60 if they do not get in.

Schools almost certainly ahead of us in the pecking order (9): UVA, VA Tech, UNC, NC St, Florida St, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, and probably Duke.

Schools possibly ahead of us in the pecking order (2): Stanford and Cal. If they get in, that pushes us out of the top 60, meaning we won't get into the Big 12 unless at least one of the conferences goes beyond 20.

Here is the most likely scenario where we could get into the Big 12:
-Big Ten goes to 20 by adding UVA and UNC.
-SEC goes to 20 by adding VA Tech, NC St, Florida St, and Georgia Tech (which gets added since they need a 20th team and to prevent the Big Ten from getting into the Atlanta market).
-Big 12 goes to 20 by adding Miami, Clemson, Duke, and ?? We would probably be the most attractive remaining option for the 20th and final slot in this scenario. It would also balance out the Big 12's additions with two football schools and two basketball schools.
 
So this is what I don’t get about the UNC/Virginia to either the Big10 or SEC. Football. UNC last won an ACC title in 1980. Jimmy Carter was president. Virginia shared it in 1995 and before that 1989. Their last outright title was , well, never. So the thinking is the Big wants somebody to help Rutgers hold up the league and the SEC doesn’t want Mississippi State to be lonely? With modern media coverage nobody “needs” to be in North Carolina or Virginia to have a major presence. Of course they might want them for the academics 🤣.
 
pick6s said:
Numerous ACC schools will have a place to go. UNC and UVA will have their pick of the SEC or Big Ten. There may be others that get invited to join those two conferences as well, depending on what happens with UNC and UVA (see below). The next most desireable remaining ACC programs will have major interest from the Big 12.

To me, the key for UConn and many other schools is whether UVA and UNC go to the SEC or Big Ten. What is likely best for UConn is those two schools choosing the Big Ten, and I think that as we approach 2029, the major elected officials in CT should reach out to their counterparts in VA and NC to explain why it is in their states' interests for their respective flagship schools to choose the Big Ten over the SEC.

If UVA and UNC choose the SEC, it is extremely unlikely that the Big Ten would invite VA Tech or NC St (for numerous reasons including lack of AAU membership). In other words, both VA Tech and NC St- each a major public university- would NOT get into one of the two superconferences. Additionally, it is not even clear whether those two schools would get into the Big 12, which is likely to become the clear-cut third best conference after the next realignment. With the SEC going to 18 schools and the Big Ten possibly remaining at 18, that probably means the Big 12 would add two schools to get to 18, and I suspect they would take Florida State and possibly Clemson over VA Tech and NC St. It is possible that the Big Ten goes to 20 schools (possibly prompting the Big 12 to go to 20 as well) by adding Stanford and Cal or maybe Miami and Florida State but it's far from a given, making it a legitimate possibility that VA Tech and/or NC St end up in the fourth best conference.

Meanwhile, If UVA and UNC choose the Big Ten, it is likely that VA Tech and NC St get invited to join the SEC, since the SEC can expand its territory and doesn't want to concede southern states to its main rival conference. In other words, UVA and UNC joining the Big Ten makes it likely that both of the major schools in each state end up in a superconference. Considering the huge gaps in revenue between the two superconferences and the ACC that already exist and will be even larger once the ACC gets raided, it would clearly be a substantial financial benefit to the states of VA and NC to ensure that each of their two main universities end up in a superconference.

Our major elected officials should point this out to the major elected officials in VA and NC because it would also increase UConn's chances of getting into the Big 12, which would be preferable to the ACC since that conference may not even be a power conference after the upcoming realignment and at a minimum will clearly be behind the Big 12. Here is why it helps our chances:

1- It increases the chances that the SEC expands to 20 teams, which in turn will likely prompt the Big 12 to expand to 20 teams, meaning there are more available slots. With the Big Ten having added schools in VA and NC, the SEC will need to seriously consider some defensive additions (Florida State and possibly Georgia Tech) to prevent the Big Ten from possibly taking those schools and expanding into the SEC's already limited geographical footprint.

2- It greatly reduces the chances of Stanford and Cal getting into the Big Ten (since they'll already be at 20), which may provide an opening for us to be school #20 in the Big 12. There will likely be between 54-60 slots in three biggest conferences, depending on whether some/all of them end up at 18 or 20 teams. Right now, I believe we are school #62 if Stanford and Cal get in but #60 if they do not get in.

Schools almost certainly ahead of us in the pecking order (9): UVA, VA Tech, UNC, NC St, Florida St, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, and probably Duke.

Schools possibly ahead of us in the pecking order (2): Stanford and Cal. If they get in, that pushes us out of the top 60, meaning we won't get into the Big 12 unless at least one of the conferences goes beyond 20.

Here is the most likely scenario where we could get into the Big 12:
-Big Ten goes to 20 by adding UVA and UNC.
-SEC goes to 20 by adding VA Tech, NC St, Florida St, and Georgia Tech (which gets added since they need a 20th team and to prevent the Big Ten from getting into the Atlanta market).
-Big 12 goes to 20 by adding Miami, Clemson, Duke, and ?? We would probably be the most attractive remaining option for the 20th and final slot in this scenario. It would also balance out the Big 12's additions with two football schools and two basketball schools.
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ESPN decides who goes where and who gets left out. They control the purse strings, and thus control realignment.
 
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