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nelsonmuntz said:
You are arguing that I can't prove a negative is true so therefore you are right. Stellar logic there.
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No, I think he’s basically challen
nelsonmuntz said:
You are arguing that I can't prove a negative is true so therefore you are right. Stellar logic there.
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Let’s remember we’re all on same team. People are a little guarded on hearing ideas that counter anything to getting P5 bid.

But in fairness, you suggested only reason we don’t have invite is because votes aren’t there. You can’t prove that. If you can, please do so. Same way you can’t prove we’re not waiting for partner.

he’s using your logic. It’s called spitballing.
 
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Skiblets said:
given your strong stance against our chances w the Big 12 , in your eyes , what would need to happen between now and Labor Day for
You to say you’ve been all wrong over the past month?
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I do not have a strong stance against our chances with the Big 12. I think it is about 50/50. I do think the scenarios where one school leaves the Pac 12 but the other schools stay are idiotic. You appear to think they are realistic.

For me to admit I was wrong, one school would have to leave the Pac 12 for the Big 12, the Big 12 would then have to add UConn, and the Pac 12 other schools would have to decide to terminate their athletic programs. Let me know when that happens.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I do not have a strong stance against our chances with the Big 12. I think it is about 50/50. I do think the scenarios where one school leaves the Pac 12 but the other schools stay are idiotic. You appear to think they are realistic.

For me to admit I was wrong, one school would have to leave the Pac 12 for the Big 12, the Big 12 would then have to add UConn, and the Pac 12 other schools would have to decide to terminate their athletic programs. Let me know when that happens.
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So you have established an impossible scenario to admit you’re wrong. Convenient. I need to remember that strategy.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I do not have a strong stance against our chances with the Big 12. I think it is about 50/50. I do think the scenarios where one school leaves the Pac 12 but the other schools stay are idiotic. You appear to think they are realistic.

For me to admit I was wrong, one school would have to leave the Pac 12 for the Big 12, the Big 12 would then have to add UConn, and the Pac 12 other schools would have to decide to terminate their athletic programs. Let me know when that happens.
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“And the pac 12 other schools would have to decide to terminate their athletic programs”

This is a serious response?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I do not have a strong stance against our chances with the Big 12. I think it is about 50/50. I do think the scenarios where one school leaves the Pac 12 but the other schools stay are idiotic. You appear to think they are realistic.

For me to admit I was wrong, one school would have to leave the Pac 12 for the Big 12, the Big 12 would then have to add UConn, and the Pac 12 other schools would have to decide to terminate their athletic programs. Let me know when that happens.
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I do think that wriggling 3 pac12 schools away (Colorado, Arizona, ASU) and picking UConn over Utah due to market / BYU’s protesting is very possible. I doubt the Big 12 would want WSU / OSU and chances are the most valuable brands are out of the big 12’s reach.

With that said, I agree UConn + 1 pac12 school is not logical. Neither is adding UConn with another g5 school. UConn by itself is vaguely possible if they like us enough & the pac12 contract is satisfactory, but I tend to agree they would have added us already if they wanted us so badly. 13 is also a clunky number, although it can be worked around. We will know very soon what will happen.
 
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Skiblets said:
“And the pac 12 other schools would have to decide to terminate their athletic programs”

This is a serious response?
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It is not a serious scenario, but about half the regular posters on this board think that somehow just one school will leave the PAC 12.
 
uconnbaseball said:
I do think that wriggling 3 pac12 schools away (Colorado, Arizona, ASU) and picking UConn over Utah due to market / BYU’s protesting is very possible. I doubt the Big 12 would want WSU / OSU and chances are the most valuable brands are out of the big 12’s reach.

With that said, I agree UConn + 1 pac12 school is not logical. Neither is adding UConn with another g5 school. UConn by itself is vaguely possible if they like us enough & the pac12 contract is satisfactory, but I tend to agree they would have added us already if they wanted us so badly. 13 is also a clunky number, although it can be worked around. We will know very soon what will happen.
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Why isn't adding CO and UConn a potentially good and reasonable scenario for the Big12? Understood that neither is a great fb add (yet) but both have promise therein and both are bridges to add more schools from both the west and the east which checks off the more national aspiration that the Big12 possesses. And, there are other obvious advantages to both. What am I missing?
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
Why isn't adding CO and UConn a potentially good and reasonable scenario for the Big12? Understood that neither is a great fb add (yet) but both have promise therein and both are bridges to add more from both the west and the east. And, there are other obvious advantages to both. What am I missing?
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If one school leaves the PAC 12, all the schools leave the PAC 12. There is no scenario in which UConn joins the Big 12 with just one pac 12 school.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I do not have a strong stance against our chances with the Big 12. I think it is about 50/50. I do think the scenarios where one school leaves the Pac 12 but the other schools stay are idiotic. You appear to think they are realistic.

For me to admit I was wrong, one school would have to leave the Pac 12 for the Big 12, the Big 12 would then have to add UConn, and the Pac 12 other schools would have to decide to terminate their athletic programs. Let me know when that happens.
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You were already on the other side of this argument saying that if more than one PAC12 team left we were doomed. So the chances are no longer 50/50 if you understand math. They're Zero. But I'm sure there's another card left to play that you can dream up to backfill your last 50 posts.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
If one school leaves the PAC 12, all the schools leave the PAC 12. There is no scenario in which UConn joins the Big 12 with just one pac 12 school.
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I don't follow that logic at all, but go ahead - own it. Colorado joined along with Utah in 2011, prior to that AZ and AZ state joined in 1978 - the rest have been together much longer. Regardless of time, there is no hard rule that pulling one Jenga block tumbles the tower....particularly when it was the top block and frankly an underperformer.

I'm not going to sit here and rule out scenarios as it relates to the P12 and B12. Seems to me most reasonable outcomes remain on the board including a scenario where only Colorado leaves.
 
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Exit 4 said:
I don't follow that logic at all, but go ahead - own it. Colorado joined along with Utah in 2011, prior to that AZ and AZ state joined in 1978 - the rest have been together much longer. Regardless of time, there is no hard rule that pulling one Jenga block tumbles the tower....particularly when it was the top block and frankly an underperformer.

I'm not going to sit here and rule out scenarios as it relates to the P12 and B12. Seems to me most reasonable outcomes remain on the board including a scenario where only Colorado leaves.
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And there are 3 reasons they still remain on the board.

Markets
Championships
Leadership

For a currently non-P5 all three need to be in place. Previously we didn't have all three. Fortunately for us they are in place and Yormark appears to value them in this scenario. But in life and realignment things can change on a dime. People get nervous, change is tough. And there's always the decision maker that has to throw a fit and have their ego massaged before they go along. No decision means no decision until that consensus is signed off on.
 
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How Sway?! said:
Had
Hasn't it been reported that both AZ schools will stay in the PAC 12 regardless?
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Who really knows anything? If it's CR related the person has somewhat of a following i bring it back here. Everybody has a "source"these days. This guy has "The King" source. Can't beat Royalty!
 
nelsonmuntz said:
If one school leaves the PAC 12, all the schools leave the PAC 12. There is no scenario in which UConn joins the Big 12 with just one pac 12 school.
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Since we know from our history that schools will do whatever is in their best interest, loyalty be damned, I don't see why just 1 can't leave. Maybe you could expand on why you think the PAC is an all or nothing entity.
 
Fairfield_1st said:
Since we know from our history that schools will do whatever is in their best interest, loyalty be damned, I don't see why just 1 can't leave. Maybe you could expand on why you think the PAC is an all or nothing entity.
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What will the other 9 schools do when 1 leaves?

They will act in their own best interest, which means they will all run for the door. Do you think the Big 12 will take UConn over Oregon or Arizona or Washington? No chance.

The ONLY WAY this "1 Pac 12 team partnering with UConn" scenario works is if the other 9 schools shut down their athletic programs. Doesn't seem very likely, does it?
 
Fairfield_1st said:
Since we know from our history that schools will do whatever is in their best interest, loyalty be damned, I don't see why just 1 can't leave. Maybe you could expand on why you think the PAC is an all or nothing entity.
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Waylon is being intentionally obtuse here as he evidently believes it makes him look smarter.

One reality that he is ignoring is that it is very possible for some schools to P-12 as a better home for the time being even if the B-12 may be able to offer a few more dollars. The P-12 schools in states on the west coast most likely would never consider leaving (this represents 60% of the conference). Two are very confident that they will have a home at some point in the B1G, two believe (maybe a bit unrealistically) there is a chance they may have a home at some point in the B1G and two likely realize that their best hope of remaining in what will at a minimum be labelled as a power conference will be in-state politics preventing their big brothers from moving on. If they were to try to leave the P-12 on their own, they would lose that.

Of the remaining four, only one was once a member of the B-12 (they in fact have relationships with many current members going back a century due to their being a founding member of the B-8). There is a very strong chance that the monetary difference required for the other four corner schools to consider moving conferences is far larger than for Colorado. Additionally, the other four corner schools owe their stature as power conference members to the P-12 offering them a place in that conference, Colorado does not.

All things being equal, yes, if the B-12 can offer more money it should be the more attractive conference. The reality is that all things are not equal and there will be quite a bit to be considered before moving. If the revenue disparity is significant, that leads to a different equation than if the revenue disparity merely noticeable. If, the P-12 media deal comes in ~80%-85% of the B-12's Colorado may be the only school willing to pay the exit fees to make the move, I imagine other P-12 schools would need a larger increase (over P-12 media revenues) to jump. For all we know, Colorado may be willing to jump even if it ends up neutral after departure fees. I doubt any other P-12 school would consider this.
 
Exit 4 said:
I don't follow that logic at all, but go ahead - own it. Colorado joined along with Utah in 2011, prior to that AZ and AZ state joined in 1978 - the rest have been together much longer. Regardless of time, there is no hard rule that pulling one Jenga block tumbles the tower....particularly when it was the top block and frankly an underperformer.

I'm not going to sit here and rule out scenarios as it relates to the P12 and B12. Seems to me most reasonable outcomes remain on the board including a scenario where only Colorado leaves.
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It might not topple the tower, but do you think any of the Pac 12 schools will stick behind in a 9 team league when they can just muscle us out of our Big 12 spot?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
What will the other 9 schools do when 1 leaves?

They will act in their own best interest, which means they will all run for the door. Do you think the Big 12 will take UConn over Oregon or Arizona or Washington? No chance.

The ONLY WAY this "1 Pac 12 team partnering with UConn" scenario works is if the other 9 schools shut down their athletic programs. Doesn't seem very likely, does it?
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Running for the door is not necessarily om their best interest. I will go so far as to state that for the bulk of the conference remaining is far better for their interests than leaving (unless the B1G calls).
 
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